Why is the Nole Slam given so little credit around here?

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octogon said:
Ummm. No.

Nadal just got 800 weeks in the the top 10. An achievement NOBODY in the history of tennis has ever done. I didn't even bother making any comment on it, let alone "spamming the site like crazy". Because I'm not an insecure fan who needs to tout every tennis achievement that only Nadal has like it's the second coming of Jesus Christ.

The ESPN Poll stood out to me, because it shows just how significant Nadal's stature is outside of tennis fans, which is something we do not get enough perspective on as tennis board. That is why I've brought it up on multiple occasions. But I don't bother "spamming" every significant tennis record only Nadal holds, because it's a waste of time. When he has some ownership of the slam record, expect me to spam that though.LOL!
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Of course all greats have unique achievements, but you are avoiding the main discussion here. Stay on topic - Nole Slam vs. CYGS in men’s tennis, or get lost.
 
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octogon said:
Ummm. No.

Nadal just got 800 weeks in the the top 10. An achievement NOBODY in the history of tennis has ever done. I didn't even bother making any comment on it, let alone "spamming the site like crazy". Because I'm not an insecure fan who needs to tout every tennis achievement that only Nadal has like it's the second coming of Djesus Christ.

The ESPN Poll stood out to me, because it shows just how significant Nadal's stature is outside of tennis fans, which is something we do not get enough perspective on as tennis board. That is why I've brought it up on multiple occasions. But I don't bother "spamming" every significant tennis record only Nadal holds, because it's a waste of time. All the Big 3 have done things no one else has. When he has sole ownership of the slam record, expect me to spam that though.LOL!
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No disrespect to Nadal but 800 weeks in the top 10 is not on the level of holding all 4 Slams at the same time as well as the ATP finals. It's a great record though showing how consistently good he has been to stay there. I have a hard time believing though that if he had achieved this you wouldn't bring it up even more than 2-1 at the USO and 10-6 in Slams. Lol

Ok, if you say so.
 
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octogon said:
Non-Calender Grand Slam is an overrated achievement to begin with.

One of the things that makes the Calender Grand Slam so special is the time frame and pressure it has to be achieved in. There is no break.

Non-Calender year grand slam, you have a whole off-season to rest and recuperate to try and complete it. Yeah, you still need to be a great player to do it, but achieving it in a single unbroken season is far more significant. The "Serena Slam" is overrated for the same reason, though it got more publicity than the Nole Slam.
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This point has me thinking about whether the order of the non-calendar slam matters at all. There are obviously three "ways" to win a non-calendar slam, with one recent instance of each:

RG -> WIM -> USO -> AO (Serena Slam 1)
WIM -> USO -> AO -> RG (Nole Slam)
USO -> AO -> RG -> WIM (Serena Slam 2)

I'm inclined to say that both Serena Slams are more impressive (on their face, at least) because she won 3 in a row in a calendar year both times. Winning two slams, then having a full offseason to recover -- physically and mentally -- then proceeding to win two more, isn't quite as impressive to me, though it's still obviously a special, historically significant accomplishment.

As an aside, I think one of the main reasons Serena Slam 1 got more publicity than the Nole Slam is that it came during that pre-Federer period where women's tennis was, quite frankly, far more interesting than men's tennis. The entire tennis world was attentive to Serena (and Venus) in a way that it wasn't to Djokovic in 2015/16 -- despite his dominance. Serena Slam 2 also got less publicity than Serena Slam 1 for some of the same reasons.
 
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Is this a real discussion if a Grand Slam or a "NCYGS" is rarer? There were not hundreds of both, so results can still be random, but everybody should see that of random 4 consecutive slams 25 % are in one calendar year and 75 % are not.

"Novak" slam is really funny... they called it "Serena" slam lol - despite the fact that Navratilova had it and Graf also had it but nobody took notice because she already had the real deal.
 
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NoleFam said:
No disrespect to Nadal but 800 weeks in the top 10 is not on the level of holding all 4 Slams at the same time as well as the ATP finals. It's a great record though showing how consistently good he has been to stay there. I have a hard time believing though that if he had achieved this you wouldn't bring it up even more than 2-1 at the USO and 10-6 in Slams. Lol

Ok, if you say so.
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You do realise I only bring up 2-1 and 10-6 to counter arrogant Djokovic fans who act like he's been Rafa's daddy since 2011?

None of my statements happen in a vacuum. I don't bring up things like Rafa's slam H2H against Novak just to gloat for the sake of gloating. I do it because too many Novak fans here are so egotistical and insecure, that it kind of forces my hand to give them a reality check. Sleep on that.
 
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NoleFam said:
CYGS was done thrice and NCYGS was done twice (1st by Budge then Djokovic). They even did them in the same order but Budge went on to win the CYGS after that so his CYGS overshadows his 1st achievement. Still NCYGS was done the least betwen the two like you said.
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Budge... a guy that's on everyone's ATG lists, right...?
 
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CYGS said:
That’s because there are many others who have silvers (plus they lose the final to win silver, which automatically makes your point moot). Who else won Nole Slam (W to RG, the exact order) other than Novak?
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Don Budge, between 1937 Wimbledon and 1938 Roland Garros.

Then he added another two slams on top of that, to finish with six consecutive slams (including the CYGS) after the 1938 US Championships.

PS. Don't scream "pre-Open Era", because you were the one in your previous posts going on about how the CYGS has been done 3 times in history.
 
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octogon said:
You do realise I only bring up 2-1 and 10-6 to counter arrogant Djokovic fans who act like he's been Rafa's daddy since 2011?

None of my statements happen in a vacuum. I don't bring up things like Rafa's slam H2H against Novak just to gloat for the sake of gloating. I do it because too many Novak fans here are so egotistical and insecure, that it kind of forces my hand to give them a reality check. Sleep on that.
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Yes there are some arrogant Djokovic fans but there are some arrogant Nadal fans as well, don't you think? I mean it is 22-11 since 2011 so you can't really deny Nadal owned the head to head in the first part of their careers and Djokovic has for the last 10 years.

Well that pendulum swings both ways like I pointed out and you do bring it up often, even without being provoked. Someone could easily make that same argument to Nadal fans in reverse.
 
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anarosevoli said:
Is this a real discussion if a Grand Slam or a "NCYGS" is rarer? There were not hundreds of both, so results can still be random, but everybody should see that of random 4 consecutive slams 25 % are in one calendar year and 75 % are not.

"Novak" slam is really funny... they called it "Serena" slam lol - despite the fact that Navratilova had it and Graf also had it but nobody took notice because she already had the real deal.
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No, refer to OP. Its a thread asking why Nole Slam is so underrated/mentioned by Fedfans who use the far lesser "Career Slam" to prop him up as a GOAT candidate
 
NoleFam

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Slowtwitcher said:
Budge... a guy that's on everyone's ATG lists, right...?
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Well it was in 1937-1938 so a lot of newer fans don't know much about him but anytime the CYGS is talked about, his name comes up amongst the commentators and they show his graphic.
 
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NoleFam said:
Well that pendulum swings both ways like I pointed out and you do bring it up often, even without being provoked.
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LOL!

It's almost always provoked by a statement by a Djokovic fan.

It's become an effective way of flustering them or shutting them up, so I won't look a gift horse in the mouth.
 
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I remember in 2011 AO, Nadal was going for The Rafa Slam, and Rod Laver was asked about it, and Laver was not impressed and called it a "mini slam".
 
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CYGS said:
CYGS has been achieved thrice (once in the Open Era by Laver - you are wrong) but Nole Slam has only been achieved once. It’s a rarer achievement and in theory more difficult to achieve (in the exact order). So you are wrong.
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Nadal 3 slams in same calander year on 3 different surfaces has also never been acheived before but we don't bang on about it.....
 
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NADALalot said:
I remember in 2011 AO, Nadal was going for The Rafa Slam, and Rod Laver was asked about it, and Laver was not impressed and called it a "mini slam".
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Meanwhile I remember in 2016 FO, Djokovic was going for The Nole Slam, which he managed, and Rod Laver later congratulated him through a video message on achieving that "mini Slam". Don't let that get in way of your smartass attempted posting though. Carry on.
 
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octogon said:
Non-Calender Grand Slam is an overrated achievement to begin with.

One of the things that makes the Calender Grand Slam so special is the time frame and pressure it has to be achieved in. There is no break.

Non-Calender year grand slam, you have a whole off-season to rest and recuperate to try and complete it. Yeah, you still need to be a great player to do it, but achieving it in a single unbroken season is far more significant. The "Serena Slam" is overrated for the same reason, though it got more publicity than the Nole Slam.
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The NCYGS is also easier because you can start whenever you want, and then "only" the next 3 Slams are a "must win".

For the CYGS you have to start at one specific tournament or you have to wait until next year.
 
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Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil said:
All I know we'd have heard plenty about it if Rog or Ralph did it, given how some members of their respective cults have been putting match wins above titles, and weeks in top 10 over weeks at number 1. :whistle:
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This is very true. RF would have been declared the undisputed GOAT if he had achieved that. Probably same with Nadal too but not as much with RF.
 
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i think winning 4 in a row is a big achievement..
granted in this era alot of it has to do with timing on when rafa
isnt in top shape at the FO...
 
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