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^^^Yeah, that's a quick way to ruin a grip. Is the Ultra grip really that bad? I've got one I'm hitting with and haven't noticed a problem with it to the point I'm ready to start sanding on it.
I wouldn't just because I had stocked on them. If I didn't have any PT630 or they worn out I would absolutely buy a bunch of the Wilson Ultra Tour. Wilson came through providing us with what we have been asking @HEAD Penn Official for.Yes but that being said would you really switch from a PT630? Especially if you have...several...of...them...
Excuse my OCD but 10 x 3 months = 30 months or 2 1/2 years; > 1 year?These are the KSwiss Bigshot light 2.5. I loved the 2.0, I really like the 2.5. But the new 3.0 has a completely different foot bed so I am going to have to find a new shoe unfortunately. I bought 10 pair of the Bigshot 2.5's though to get me through the year while I test new ones. Still worth trying the 3 to see if it fits your foot well. I get about 3 months of hard play out of them.
I’ll start by saying I’m probably not the best judge of this. I only started playing with a grab bag of old Head frames under a year ago. The I.Prestige was my last to buy. I still tend to favor my 6.1 18x20 at least half the time, so let’s just say I don’t have the most refined palette. I play with 3.5-5.0 guys, mostly doubles, only for fun.
My only modifications to the prestige models was to change it to no base grip / two overgrips to bring the weight down and balance up to 32cm. Essentially trying to find the lightest common ground.
The feel at contact is more smooth than the prestige and seems to mute a bit quicker. I think the Ultra Tour and I.Prestige express a similar dominance over the ball. Serving and alternating frames the prestige seemed to move the ball through the court slightly faster.
DUDE!! That's like shooting the nose off of the Sphinx; hope there's no irreparable damage. Did it make a sound like squeezing styrofoam packing, or more like biting into a Crunchie? Either way, maybe these bad boys really are foam filled.
Is the foam filling soft, hard or somewhere in between? Soft like the pink colored foam that often line electronics and computer parts. It's pretty soft with good memory, almost like the memory foam pillows, but not as dense. Then there's firm foam like the type that line big screen TV boxes that don't compress very much. It's usually dark grey colored and feels slick. There's also hard and brittle polyurethane foam that solidifies after curing. I believe the yellow the grip pallets are made from PU foam.
Ironically, I already tried to be subtly facetious with regard to the foam density, but sadly I was taken seriously and so I moved on; bad thing being taken seriously...Can anyone tell me if the foam filling is pro stock foam? My elbow gets aggravated if I play with retail foam
Is the beam width really 21 mm? I prefer 20.5 or 20. Any lower, it's like I'm playing with a noodle. Any higher, I lose too much control.
I'm also really sensitive to RA ratings. Is it under 60? 59 is perfect, but once it gets to 60 or 61, my arm falls off.
Oh, and the grip can't have any traces of synthetic chemicals. I break out otherwise
I wouldn't just because I had stocked on them. If I didn't have any PT630 or they worn out I would absolutely buy a bunch of the Wilson Ultra Tour. Wilson came through providing us with what we have been asking @HEAD Penn Official for.
Excuse my OCD but 10 x 3 months = 30 months or 2 1/2 years; > 1 year?
I want to say its a stiffer Pro Tour 630. Its as muted as the Pro Tour 630 but I feel like the top of the hoop is stiffer on the Ultra Tour. I can take out my i.Prestige MP tomorrow and compare those two back to back.Which frames would you consider it closest to?
I want to say its a stiffer Pro Tour 630. Its as muted as the Pro Tour 630 but I feel like the top of the hoop is stiffer on the Ultra Tour. I can take out my i.Prestige MP tomorrow and compare those two back to back.
Ok, so I don't know if it has been brought up yet, because I haven't been keeping up with the forums due to already demoing the UT, but has anyone looked at the Dunlop Srixon Revo CX 2.0 Tour 18x20 that is coming out soon (or in stock at TW)? The stiffness is 61 and the frame mold looks like my H22's, but I can spot differences. The box shape is very similar and the throat beam shape is, but the H22 throat is much longer. I have read how some like the Prince Phantom, I am curious to how this racket will compare to them.
Which frames would you consider it closest to?
I want to say its a stiffer Pro Tour 630. Its as muted as the Pro Tour 630 but I feel like the top of the hoop is stiffer on the Ultra Tour. I can take out my i.Prestige MP tomorrow and compare those two back to back.
I wouldn't just because I had stocked on them. If I didn't have any PT630 or they worn out I would absolutely buy a bunch of the Wilson Ultra Tour. Wilson came through providing us with what we have been asking @HEAD Penn Official for.
That's very high praise for a racquet to be compared to the legendary PT630 and you state that it's the closest retail frame to it. How many PT630's do you have? No inkling to get an Ultra Tour for the times you wish the PT630 had more oomph on those days where you're off?
Someone wrote that the UT had a stiffer hoop. Maybe that accounts for the higher RA, but does the UT's throat flex as well as the PT630? I don't like a stiffer hoop as that helps with serves and off center shots, but I need to have a flexible throat.
I want to say its a stiffer Pro Tour 630. Its as muted as the Pro Tour 630 but I feel like the top of the hoop is stiffer on the Ultra Tour. I can take out my i.Prestige MP tomorrow and compare those two back to back.
I would say the TC97 18x20 is more similar. Also the TC97 18x20 is the same spec as my PT630. The Ultra Tour is worth a demoWould you say it is more similar than the TC97 18x20 or too hard to tell? Looking to try out something like a PT630 in the future. TC95 arriving Monday
I don't use dampenersHate to strike a sour note: I hit with it again today after work, along with a Blade 18x20, Phantom 100 and Ezone 98. And my Pro Tour. I used dampers to add some weight to the demo rackets (placing dampers in extremes of hoop to increase swingweight/etc, bring them closer to my spec). The UT I liked the least. Something familiar about the feel, yes, but it felt stiffer in a dead sense- not like the Blade for example. It could have been the strings as well, but I'm not so sure, all crappy demo strings being crappy demo strings. The Phantom however is a phenomenal feeling racket. I am not a Prince rep or ever used a Prince racket since I smashed a junior one when I was 10 . It thuds the ball extremely similar to the Pro Tour, I think it is even more flexible in the head. On big serve you feel racket bend like bamboo stick. It has great touch and power. The problem is that it is a 100" open pattern racket and that defaults it to another category of racket even though the feel is extremely classic and old school, honestly moreso than the UT. But I also don't recommend taking out 5 rackets in one session. Played about 3 and a half sets??
Reading some comments above: Yes I think the UT definitely has a stiffer hoop than the PT630.
If there was a Prince Phantom 95 18x20 I think it would be game over This is just my opinion folks, I really wanted to like the UT though !! Outta this thread
Hate to strike a sour note: I hit with it again today after work, along with a Blade 18x20, Phantom 100 and Ezone 98. And my Pro Tour. I used dampers to add some weight to the demo rackets (placing dampers in extremes of hoop to increase swingweight/etc, bring them closer to my spec).
Wow, that's a lot of lead. Do you have anything in the grip? What are the specs of this thing?That's really not a good way to weigh up UT...this will do
UT is nice but Phantom is on another level for flexible old school graphite lovers...Hate to strike a sour note: I hit with it again today after work, along with a Blade 18x20, Phantom 100 and Ezone 98. And my Pro Tour. I used dampers to add some weight to the demo rackets (placing dampers in extremes of hoop to increase swingweight/etc, bring them closer to my spec). The UT I liked the least. Something familiar about the feel, yes, but it felt stiffer in a dead sense- not like the Blade for example. It could have been the strings as well, but I'm not so sure, all crappy demo strings being crappy demo strings. The Phantom however is a phenomenal feeling racket. I am not a Prince rep or ever used a Prince racket since I smashed a junior one when I was 10 . It thuds the ball extremely similar to the Pro Tour, I think it is even more flexible in the head. On big serve you feel racket bend like bamboo stick. It has great touch and power. The problem is that it is a 100" open pattern racket and that defaults it to another category of racket even though the feel is extremely classic and old school, honestly moreso than the UT. But I also don't recommend taking out 5 rackets in one session. Played about 3 and a half sets??
Reading some comments above: Yes I think the UT definitely has a stiffer hoop than the PT630.
If there was a Prince Phantom 95 18x20 I think it would be game over This is just my opinion folks, I really wanted to like the UT though !! Outta this thread
I would say the TC97 18x20 is more similar. Also the TC97 18x20 is the same spec as my PT630. The Ultra Tour is worth a demo
how much does this way?That's really not a good way to weigh up UT...this will do
How is that possible? The Angell TC97 is 66RA (63 strung) while the PT630 is 56RA strung. That's a big difference.
My Angell TC97 18x20 is 60RA and my PT630 is 59RA tested on the same machine, so it is very possible.
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Funny, most of TC95 63 RA or TC100 63RA reported are measured stiffer than this...lucky you
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It seems that 18x20 Angell's have diffrent layup and are or at least to me they feel better/softer/flexier than 16x19 versions.
Why does Angell not give his customers the option of having the TC97 available with 63RA as well? His whole business is about customization, and I understand it needs to be cookie cutter to make it an efficient and viable business, but that's one big gap in his product line.
Many of us are also looking at the Dunlop Srixon Revo CX 2.0 Tour 18x20. The only person who's actually hit with it here is @Anton . He wrote some of his observations about it in the Srixon thread. From what he wrote and what I've been reading, I'm going to wait until it goes on sale. It seems be to an extremely niche racquet.
I think the 61RA is the only thing is has going for it. The Wilson Ultra Tour still seems to be the new king of retail control frames. Time will tell if the new Srixon Revo CX 2.0 Tour will dethrone it. The Srixon's hoop also looks like an upside down teardrop. The top half of the hoop looks wider than the bottom half.
It seems that 18x20 Angell's have diffrent layup and are or at least to me they feel better/softer/flexier than 16x19 versions.
You are not the first player to report this; anyway, Paul confirmed in the past that 18x20 TC97 layup is different to 16x19 TC97 layup. On other Angell racquets 18x20 and 16x19 layups are similar.
UT is nice but Phantom is on another level for flexible old school graphite lovers...
i think phantom peed in UT cereal for me...I wish i never tried it lol
I was an early adopter of Paul Angell's Vantage racquet and thought it was a stiff frame and nothing special. This was during the time when MW 200G's were readily available and was used for comparison. However, that was about a decade ago and it sounds like Paul has finally perfected the pro stock layup feel or is he still working on improving it? What's his new model release schedule been like? I could wait a couple more years if something new is around the corner.
I still have the new Srixon to check out, Phantom Pro 100 if it's ever released in the US, the new 2018 Tec 315 Limited and if a new Dunlop Heritage line is for real. My Ultra Tour demo trial will be this weekend. I finally get to see if it's a worthy Pro Tour 630 replacement. Maybe I'll like the added stiffness. I just don't understand how it can be stiff, yet still low powered and why Wilson couldn't make it soft and low powered. I think @zalive will tell me it's due to raw materials cost.
I was an early adopter of Paul Angell's Vantage racquet and thought it was a stiff frame and nothing special. This was during the time when MW 200G's were readily available and was used for comparison. However, that was about a decade ago and it sounds like Paul has finally perfected the pro stock layup feel or is he still working on improving it? What's his new model release schedule been like? I could wait a couple more years if something new is around the corner.
I still have the new Srixon to check out, Phantom Pro 100 if it's ever released in the US, the new 2018 Tec 315 Limited and if a new Dunlop Heritage line is for real. My Ultra Tour demo trial will be this weekend. I finally get to see if it's a worthy Pro Tour 630 replacement. Maybe I'll like the added stiffness. I just don't understand how it can be stiff, yet still low powered and why Wilson couldn't make it soft and low powered. I think @zalive will tell me it's due to the cost of raw materials.
That's really not a good way to weigh up UT...this will do
I don't use dampeners
I get the actual feel and sound off the stringbed unfiltered.
If 67 RA Angell layup for some reason feels softer than a 63 RA Angell layup (and even flexes more strung), what would be the reason to do it?
I was an early adopter of Paul Angell's Vantage racquet and thought it was a stiff frame and nothing special. This was during the time when MW 200G's were readily available and was used for comparison. However, that was about a decade ago and it sounds like Paul has finally perfected the pro stock layup feel or is he still working on improving it? What's his new model release schedule been like? I could wait a couple more years if something new is around the corner.
I still have the new Srixon to check out, Phantom Pro 100 if it's ever released in the US, the new 2018 Tec 315 Limited and if a new Dunlop Heritage line is for real. My Ultra Tour demo trial will be this weekend. I finally get to see if it's a worthy Pro Tour 630 replacement. Maybe I'll like the added stiffness. I just don't understand how it can be stiff, yet still low powered and why Wilson couldn't make it soft and low powered. I think @zalive will tell me it's due to the cost of raw materials.
Wow, that's a lot of lead. Do you have anything in the grip? What are the specs of this thing?
*Prepares.... to open... wallet...* Didn't realize there was a consensus on that one @zalive
Why on earth would you put that much lead in the throat?
It's just 3-4 grams.
I feel like even weight-up all around the frame works the best for this racket.
When I was trying lead here-and-there I just wasn't liking the results.
The Ultra Tour has a pretty flexy throat. When you hit it off center, you feel it. Reminds my of the Ultra 97 a little. I'm sure the H19 feels a little more solid in this area.
You can see the torsion post contact here. It looks to be pretty flexy how the side view of the hoop forms a subtle figure 8.
You don't know how hard the incoming shot was...any racquet will flex, the stiffest ones flex...
Sure, I don’t know how flex it is, but I know I haven’t seen deformation to that degree in any other photos. That may just be due to the brevity of the interaction though.