Wimbledon grass
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PROTENNIS63
Hall of Fame
The grass is slower than US Open. The bounce is much higher as well > all this adds up to why we do not see players coming in as much.
Nadal_Freak
Banned
Wimbledon is definitely faster than the US Open. No comparison there.
Cup8489
G.O.A.T.
definitely NOT faster.
it's much easier to play the baseline game there now than in previous decades (not years, i havent seen a change recently)
i think they may play almost the same, with the us surface slightly faster.
DarkSephiroth
Rookie
Here's an article if you want to read about the change:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1815724,00.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1815724,00.html
Hot Sauce
Hall of Fame
It's definitely slower than it used to be. It is either the 2nd or 1st fastest grand slam tournament, possibly next to the US Open (debatable). What's for certain is that the ball bounces much higher and inconsistent (like clay), on the new grass, where the old grass was the complete opposite (low, skidding balls).
Nadal_Freak
Banned
It's easier moving on hardcourts and taking it early. Thus the illusion that the hardcourts are faster. The serving is the true way of telling the speed and much easier to hold serve there, aces, and free points on the first serve.
FedForGOAT
Professional
Can you give us the stats of the two grand slams?
wimbledons grass is just a little faster than clay at roland garros, u can check it everywhere u want, even at the draw 
as far as i know 1st thing that changed was grass seeds in 2002, and then again in 2005 or 6 they even let it grow higher so right now we have special green clay
ask nadalfreak if u dont believe me
as far as i know 1st thing that changed was grass seeds in 2002, and then again in 2005 or 6 they even let it grow higher so right now we have special green clay
ask nadalfreak if u dont believe me
jmverdugo
Hall of Fame
I have not played there but I have hear the players saying that it is slower than it use to be, however, i have never ever have hear any player saying that it is slower tha RG or US Open. From where do you get the info that it is, actually, slower than RG? Or is it, as always, you assumptions?
No, faster means that players have less time to react. So yes, the USO is now faster than Wimbledon. The Wimbledon grass being high-bouncing adds to that further. It should be low-bouncing and skidding, as in old days.
reading can be tough mission, right, i said it was way faster than roland garros
jmverdugo
Hall of Fame
My post wasnt directed specifically to you but in general, however, i have read some of your post, not in this thread, where you afirm that RG is faster than Wimbledon.
show me one
jmverdugo
Hall of Fame
Sorry but no, no time for CSI investigations, I remember what I read, that is enough for me, I do not mean to prove you wrong, i just wanted to know if anybody here have ever played in Wimb-RG-USO, and tell the difference first hand, or if the have hear any player saying than the first is slower than the others.
leonidas1982
Hall of Fame
Tim Henman made a comment about it, today: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/scotland/7603972.stm
He has ONE Wimbledon title. Do you actually believe that he will catch Sampras's 7? Highly doubtful.
The folks at the All England have done two main things that have slowed it down a huge amount - they re-sod the "dirt" making it softer that will allow better drainage - and in turn a slower court - then they started changing the grass mixture and with the different types of grasses (thicker blades vs thinner blades...etc) have given the Wimby courts a slower court with a higher bounce.
Still nothing like RG but the days of balls not bouncing above the knees and skidding are long gone.
Part of this came from the *****ing a few years back that wimby was "to fast" and the avg rally was 2 shots - this was around the late 80's and thru the 90's when most of the griping took place.
Still nothing like RG but the days of balls not bouncing above the knees and skidding are long gone.
Part of this came from the *****ing a few years back that wimby was "to fast" and the avg rally was 2 shots - this was around the late 80's and thru the 90's when most of the griping took place.
well u havent read it, you made it up and thats why u cant show it and just said u didnt want to, funny
anyway dont want to have any further discussions
If it's easier to move on hardcourts, it's easier to return, therefore it's easier to break. Also, because it's harder to move on slippery grass, therefore it's harder to return, thus resulting in less breaks. *Gasp* I just blew your theory up in your face.
Nadal_Freak
Banned
Finally someone with sense. Grass definitely skids more than hardcourts. It always has. 5 Breaks in 60 games does not occur on Green Clay. That was the stats of the Wimbledon Final.
5 breaks only occured at the Australian Open Final and the U.S. Open Final, your point? Oh, someone else did research!
Edit : Oops, let me make a correction. There were 6, only 1 more break then the Wimbledon final.
Try not skewing statistics please.
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Nadal_Freak
Banned
The Wimbledon Final was much longer. Many more games. The US Open was 3 sets and the Australian 4 sets. The Wimbledon was an extended 5th set that went 9-7.
Nadal_Freak
Banned
Not really. You don't have to cover much ground to return a serve unlike the rest of the point. An ace is an ace but harder to pull off on the slower hardcourts. Where are all the aces on clay since it is slippery?
Rabbit
G.O.A.T.
I believe CyBorg's post was in a sarcastic vein.
To the OP, the players all say that the US Open is playing faster than Wimbledon. Maybe they know something we don't?
Do you even play tennis? Sometimes I think you don't. Actually, I'm almost sure you don't. You've never played on a grass court in your life. Anyone who HAS PLAYED on a grasscourt will tell you that it is MUCH more difficult trying to return on grass then it is on HC. It isn't all about speed or the way the bounces either, because it's pretty damn hard to move around on grass.
It's easier to return on clay because the ball bounces much higher. LoL. That and it is dreadfully slow.
No, according to Nadal_Freak they are all biased and have absolutely no idea what they are talking about, because his all knowing and all encompassing break percentage theory is infallible, due to the fact that he is a fan and that pros have no idea how fast a court surface is
a.k.a. Nadal_Freak is an idiot and thinks he's even more knowledgeable about surfaces then professional level players. Even though the truth is that he just made up his break percentage theory and fudged everything, as he's yet to tell us how he even came up with half of his numbers.
Skew numbers some more. Look at every final, and the majority of them (outside the French Open) will have less breaks on average. Usually because the players that make the final know how to take care of their serve.
Nadal_Freak
Banned
Murray and Federer think Wimbledon is faster and Federer thinks the courts haven't changed. Funny your hero thinks differently than you. lol
Nadal_Freak
Banned
I used Excel program and got the tournament stats off the atp site. It is definitely a grind to do all that work. Go ahead and check one of those. You probably don't know how to do excel.No, according to Nadal_Freak they are all biased and have absolutely no idea what they are talking about, because his all knowing and all encompassing break percentage theory is infallible, due to the fact that he is a fan and that pros have no idea how fast a court surface is
a.k.a. Nadal_Freak is an idiot and thinks he's even more knowledgeable about surfaces then professional level players. Even though the truth is that he just made up his break percentage theory and fudged everything, as he's yet to tell us how he even came up with half of his numbers.
Oh yes, I don't know how to use excel. Laugh. It's one of the easiest programs to learn. It's designed by Microsoft, a.k.a. easy mode. You want to do real grind work? Try programming in Assembly. Your grammar is terrible also. "Don't know how to do excel." You're right I don't know how to have sex with a computer program.
********* proud that he can use Excel. Oh woopty doo.
Nadal_Freak
Banned
So since you know how to use it, than do the calculations on one of the tournaments I did to see if it is accurate.
ksbh
Banned
It appears that the courts have indeed been slowed down a little. What's clear though is that the bounce is much higher.
In any case, I've said this in the past and I'll say it again ... if the slow high bouncing grass is the reason we got the greatest match of all time in this years Wimbledon final with Nadal beating Federer, then I say to hell with the old grass!
In any case, I've said this in the past and I'll say it again ... if the slow high bouncing grass is the reason we got the greatest match of all time in this years Wimbledon final with Nadal beating Federer, then I say to hell with the old grass!
Squall Leonheart
Rookie
I know anyone can argue about the validity of this statement, but commentators have stated that the US Open currently has the fastest surface of all the grand slams.
Why would I waste my time collecting data and doing it just to prove an internet troll wrong? Because of internet ego? Sorry, some of us have better things to do. At the rate your posting about Nadal, surface speeds, how pros are stupid and have no idea what they are talking about, you could easily catch BreakPoint in terms of total posts.
Rabbit
G.O.A.T.
NamRanger.....you BALR?
Atherton2003
Hall of Fame
I think Federer will find it more difficult to win titles against kids who are 10 years younger than him.....I also think Nadal will continue to dominate as long as he's healthy - and I look for Gulbis, Murray and Del Potro to make strong showings as well.....Djokovic and Federer may slip in the rankings next year.
No, according to Nadal_Freak they are all biased and have absolutely no idea what they are talking about, because his all knowing and all encompassing break percentage theory is infallible, due to the fact that he is a fan and that pros have no idea how fast a court surface is
a.k.a. Nadal_Freak is an idiot and thinks he's even more knowledgeable about surfaces then professional level players. Even though the truth is that he just made up his break percentage theory and fudged everything, as he's yet to tell us how he even came up with half of his numbers.
I completely second that.
I'm pretty new here but I think I now know trash when I see one.
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