Your ideal average rally length

Typically, what's your ideal average rally length as a fan/viewer?

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I've noticed on these forums that there seems to be quite the divide between those who prefer S&V oriented tennis and those who prefer baseline oriented tennis. And therefore, quite the divide between how long people prefer rallies to go on for.

So I ask this question:

What is your ideal average rally length as a fan/viewer?

I realize that it may depend on the surface or the circumstances of the match or who's playing, but for simplicity's sake, please let us know what you typically prefer.

For me personally, I am certainly a fan of grass court tennis and S&V play on the whole, but when I watch tournaments like Stuttgart where the speed of the grass courts seems like lightning, I start to feel as though there is such thing as "too fast" when it comes to court speed. Due to the speed of those courts, it's almost impossible for rallies to last anything longer than 4-5 shots. Meaning the average is probably around 2. That's just not enough in my view! Ideally, I would like to see rallies average around 8-10 shots. Sure, I want to see some quick points in there too via aces and S&V, but I can't really understand why anyone would want a steady diet of those super short points. S&V is great I feel when it's done at about a 20-30% rate. When it's done every single rally though like it used to be at places like Wimbledon, I feel like the game becomes way too predictable and there's not enough opportunities for creativity etc. It's just: serve, charge the net, get the return and either put the volley away or get passed. Point over. Rinse and repeat. That's not very much fun for me as a viewer! Maybe as a player, but certainly not as a viewer. So thankfully I'd say, Wimbledon did decide to slow down the courts in the early 2000s to increase the length of the rallies. Which I would guess is still less than 5 these days. But it's better than it was before in the 90s when the average rally length was less than 2 if I'm not mistaken.
 

wangs78

Legend
I think a mix is needed where you do have some short points (aces, S&V, first strike tennis) as well as some longer rallies with amazing defense and stuff. What I don’t like are those endless rallies where both players are going down the middle and waiting for the other to make a mistake. That’s what you get when Murray plays a baseliner, awful to watch. Roger’s the most fun because he plays with so much variety and forces his opponents to mix things up a little too.
 

EasyGoing

Professional
Interesting question but you do realize even on clay the most common rally is under 5 shots? In fact, O’Shaughnessy posted the numbers not long ago with 2 and 3 shot rallies making for the vast majority of all rallies. And the majority of those finish with an error. Doesn’t make for good reading.

Now personally, I don’t really care about the exact number. If it’s Murray vs Nole, the less shots the better. If it’s sth like Stan vs Tsitsipas, then just the opposite.

I could watch Edberg make 5 or 6 volleys per point all day along, or Agassi just destroy the ball on return or return + 1. On the other hand, watching Pete or Becker could be fun or not fun, depending on the surface. Ivanisevic, one shot, please.

It’s really about general entertainment for me. I don’t want rallies dragging out and people just putting the ball back in for the sake of it (Medvedev). Slow point building also gets old, quick, especially since very little variety is used nowadays. But I digress. If I had to choose, I’d say a 5-6 average point rally would be my preference.
 
I prefer when points end with winners or forced errors. Long rallies ending in unforced errors bore me to tears. That 4-6 range as an average is good, with the ace point being 0 and the other end of the extreme being about 12 shot rallies. Beyond 12 shots with any frequency = snooze fest for me.
 

Lleytonstation

Talk Tennis Guru
It is all about variation to me, I want to see some aces, some good one two punches, a few quick rallies, and a a little bit of the 9-11 rallies with a 25 rally somewhere in there.

However, my wife keeps telling me it needs to be more than 30 seconds? :unsure:
 

Pandora Mikado

Semi-Pro
I've noticed on these forums that there seems to be quite the divide between those who prefer S&V oriented tennis and those who prefer baseline oriented tennis. And therefore, quite the divide between how long people prefer rallies to go on for.

So I ask this question:

What is your ideal average rally length as a fan/viewer?

I realize that it may depend on the surface or the circumstances of the match or who's playing, but for simplicity's sake, please let us know what you typically prefer.

For me personally, I am certainly a fan of grass court tennis and S&V play on the whole, but when I watch tournaments like Stuttgart where the speed of the grass courts seems like lightning, I start to feel as though there is such thing as "too fast" when it comes to court speed. Due to the speed of those courts, it's almost impossible for rallies to last anything longer than 4-5 shots. Meaning the average is probably around 2. That's just not enough in my view! Ideally, I would like to see rallies average around 8-10 shots. Sure, I want to see some quick points in there too via aces and S&V, but I can't really understand why anyone would want a steady diet of those super short points. S&V is great I feel when it's done at about a 20-30% rate. When it's done every single rally though like it used to be at places like Wimbledon, I feel like the game becomes way too predictable and there's not enough opportunities for creativity etc. It's just: serve, charge the net, get the return and either put the volley away or get passed. Point over. Rinse and repeat. That's not very much fun for me as a viewer! Maybe as a player, but certainly not as a viewer. So thankfully I'd say, Wimbledon did decide to slow down the courts in the early 2000s to increase the length of the rallies. Which I would guess is still less than 5 these days. But it's better than it was before in the 90s when the average rally length was less than 2 if I'm not mistaken.

FYI there is this section of the forum where people whine endlessly and there's the actual tennis enjoyed at professional and recreational levels by hundreds of thousands of people everyday.

Average rally length of 8+ shots?

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http://www.mattspoint.com/blog/rally-lengths-in-tennis-a-contrasting-perspective
 

Yugram

Legend
As a Federer and Nadal fan, I prefer when Maestro Rogerio shows all his skillfulness, technical arsenal and tennis IQ by hitting an ace.

Very entertaining, no?
 

Cloister

Rookie
An average of 4-6 probably means there's a good mix of short, medium, and long points. To average 7-9 you probably have too few short points and too many long ones.
 

Sysyphus

Talk Tennis Guru

The schism between how most people perceive the rally lengths of modern tennis and the actual rally lengths of modern tennis is a funny phenomenon.

A part of is surely because people mistakenly interpret the change from serve and volley tennis to baseline tennis as a change toward long rallies. But of course the fact of the matter is that very short rallies preponderate. The average duration of rallies is far briefer now than in the 1980s. The often ghastly amount of return errors in current pro tennis is also swiftly expunged from memory, whereas the long rallies are more easily remembered.
 
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OhYes

Guest
Djokodal level ? It isn't 2012 anymore. Djokovic tends to shorten his points, every rally longer than 7 shots is bringing his percentages down.
 
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Deleted member 733170

Guest
There was a 41 shot rally between Haas and Zverev towards the end of the second set in Halle today.
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
The schism between how most people perceive the rally lengths of modern tennis and the actual rally lengths of modern tennis is a funny phenomenon.

A part of is surely because people mistakenly interpret the change from serve and volley tennis to baseline tennis as a change toward long rallies. But of course the fact of the matter is that very short rallies preponderate. The average duration of rallies is far briefer now than in the 1980s. The often ghastly amount of return errors in current pro tennis is also swiftly expunged from memory, whereas the long rallies are more easily remembered.
People complain about boring clay tennis these days.

If I see highlights of Borg playing clay I just wanna grab a baseball bat and smack that ball away.
 

Ann

Hall of Fame
I was watching the 1st set of FedEx vs Sampras at Wimbledon the other day and I only saw a couple points even go 3 shots...really boring tennis to watch.
Yes it was. Even being an American I never warmed up to Sampras. His game just bored the snot out of me.

Sorry Sampras fans.
 

Druss

Hall of Fame
I was watching the 1st set of FedEx vs Sampras at Wimbledon the other day and I only saw a couple points even go 3 shots...really boring tennis to watch.

Sampras and Ivanisevic almost ‘killed’ Wimbledon for me in the 90s to the point were I’d only watch if Agassi or the Aussies (Rafter & Scud) were playing. I’m sure they (Pete & Goran) are part reason why the surface was slowed down, as interest was fading. However, I think they went overboard with the slowing down of surfaces. IMO, the best rally lengths is 5 to 9, with a bit of a mix, some aces here and there and the odd 20 shot rally.
 

Wurm

Professional
I just want variety.

Two metronomic grinders slugging away (or "probing" if I'm being generous) until one coughs up an unforced error, or one finally finds a bit of an angle or squeezes a shot close to the line, is ****ing boring.

On the other hand, my memory of Wimbledon in the 90s was that most matches were a chore due to points typically being over within 3 shots... the stand-out match that I remember watching was the Becker vs Agassi semi-final where Becker realised s&v alone wasn't cutting it against Agassi's return and ended up playing a bunch from the baseline.

Variety is great. Contrasting playing styles is best.
 

Spanglish72

Rookie
Nadal vs Fed & Borg vs McEnroe were the best style to watch at Wimbledon. Offense vs Defense are always the most interesting match ups for rally length and variety.
 
It's not the rally length that's problematic. But it can be frustrating to see a point that should have ended after a great shot continue on because the court is too slow for a winner.
 
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