Your opinions that majority do not share vol. 2

[Raining hopes]

For people with too much time on their hands :
Vol.1

Rip me part folks,For me:

1.Wawrinka has a slam in him. Most probably a slam final at least.

2. Djokovic would have beaten Nadal at RG 2011. For this I have no doubt.

3. Djokovic has a significantly higher peak on grass than clay due to his serve return combination not being neutralised.

4. If Djokovic wins one more slam, especially USO, I put him greater than/ equal to Rafa due to his overall record.

5. Shoot me but I think Federer can defeat Djokodal back to back this year in WB. Provided he hits the ball as well as he did in FO. They both don't seem to be in any spectacular grass forms of past.And Fed has blitzed Nadal on slow HC even. However a motivated Djokovic means game over for both of Fedal.


6. More of a hope , but somehow think Murray will do a decent comeback.

 

[Jonas78]

I agree on 3. and 5.

 

[Red Rick]

Federer serve is so ****ing overrated and the arguments people use to challenge that makes me lose faith in humanity

Wawrinka and Safin are very overrated.

I would gladly shoot @Raining hopes with phallic gummy bears

Most people have no clue what talent is.

Most pundits are really clueless about statistics in tennis and should not be listened to.

Grass season should stay as short as it is. It's by far the biggest injury risk and if you see how often players slide and potentially injure themselves it's ****ing ridiculous to demand 33% of the Tour be grass.

Fast grass is incredibly boring. Especially with modern tech it would be tiebreak fest.

The only reason people like 'fast court tennis' and complain about court homogenisation is because Fedr cult religion and because the collective tennis fandom makes up facts as they go.

New balls gen - Federer would absolutely ROFLstomp #nextgen.

Slam distribution is a ****ing bogus argument and only there because a portion Fed fans have a long standing habits of making up criteria and facts as they go

 

[Jonas78]

Federer serve is so ****ing overrated and the arguments people use to challenge that makes me lose faith in humanity

Wawrinka and Safin are very overrated.

I would gladly shoot @Raining hopes with phallic gummy bears

I agree its overrated because his serve isnt as good as the taller guys (Raonic, Isner, Karlo etc).

That being said, i think he still has the best serve on tour for players at his heigth (or shorter).

 

[Red Rick]

I agree its overrated because his serve isnt as good as the taller guys (Raonic, Isner, Karlo etc).

That being said, i think he still has the best serve on tour for players at his heigth (or shorter).

Sampras was a little better.

Feliciano Lopez too but I've seen him listed as both an inch taller and the same height as Federer.

 

[Jonas78]

Sampras was a little better.

Feliciano Lopez too but I've seen him listed as both an inch taller and the same height as Federer.

Sampras better. I meant currently. Im 99% sure Lopez is closer to 187/188

 

[tennis_pro]

Zverev will never win a Slam.

ABZ

 

[Jonas78]

Zverev will never win a Slam.

ABZ

Anyone believe he will?

 

[Raining hopes]

I would gladly shoot @Raining hopes with phallic gummy bears

I will defend myself with a shield made of dried haggis.

 

[Red Rick]

Sampras better. I meant currently. Im 99% sure Lopez is closer to 187/188

You're right. Looked up picture.

Lopez master race.

 

[tennis_pro]

Anyone believe he will?

Still too many people.

 

[Centrius]

Thiem won't win a slam, yeah not even a FO.

 

[aldeayeah]

Regardless of the competition, the game of 2017- Nadal is better suited to dominate the tour than his 2007-2012 self.

 

[Fedforever]

The "mental edge" thing is way overdone. The endless "Fed would have beaten Rafa at RG if he'd won in Rome" and similar.

 

[damniel]

Murray is (was) more talented than Djokovic

 

[Raining hopes]

Murray is (was) more talented than Djokovic

Interesting opinion. If only this wasn't my thread and I wasn't supposed to be respectful

 

[George Turner]

McEnroe had the talent to win 14 majors, but not the application

Pete Sampras would never have made it to the top if he was born 25 years later, Because no coach today would have taken the risk of switching him to a OHBH as a junior. He would have ended up being another next gen generic baseliner. Sampras would not have been a major champion playing this way.

Serve and volley could work in todays era. It just isn't being taught because it's easier to coach baseline bashing

Although Thiem works really hard he lacks a true killer instinct in matches

Dimitrov never had the right talent to win majors

Murray would win 6 majors in a different era, as discussed in my "Murray vs Becker" thread
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/andy-murray-vs-boris-becker.638000/

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

KAndy vs Jizzner was the best slam match of 2018

 

[blai212]

“Serve and volley could work in todays era. It just isn't being taught because it's easier to coach baseline bashing”

this jus isnt true lol...guys like nadal can hit such great passing shots that if u come to net on anything less than a great setup shot, you’re toast. Djokovic service return so good, serve n volley jus isnt possible...





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[Atennisone]

1. Murray will return to top 10.
2. Wawrinka has at minimum a GS SF in him.
3. FAA and Coric will never win a GS, because of their choke-issues.
4. Shapovalov is extremely an overhyped and overrated tennis player.
5. Hard Court is the worst and most boring surface.

 

[Bukmeikara]

Majority of people have no doubt that Djokovic would have beaten Nadal in 2011. All signs suggest that

 

[George Turner]

“Serve and volley could work in todays era. It just isn't being taught because it's easier to coach baseline bashing”

this jus isnt true lol...guys like nadal can hit such great passing shots that if u come to net on anything less than a great setup shot, you’re toast. Djokovic service return so good, serve n volley jus isnt possible...

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One guy disagrees.

There's surely juniors out there who would be capable of playing serve volley to a higher standard than Brown, if they were taught to.

If guys with obviously limited talent like Raonic and Anderson can make major finals, i imagine it would be possible for a serve volleyer to make it to the top.

 

[weakera]

"Motivated Djokovic" is the new "Healthy Nadal." Every single tournament we hear now that no one can stop a motivated Nole lol. Of course, if he loses, he simply wasn't motivated enough

 

[nikshalamov12332]

Kyrgios will win Wimbledon.

 

[OhYes]

For people with too much time on their hands :
Vol.1

Rip me part folks,For me:

1.Wawrinka has a slam in him. Most probably a slam final at least.

2. Djokovic would have beaten Nadal at RG 2011. For this I have no doubt.

3. Djokovic has a significantly higher peak on grass than clay due to his serve return combination not being neutralised.

4. If Djokovic wins one more slam, especially USO, I put him greater than/ equal to Rafa due to his overall record.

5. Shoot me but I think Federer can defeat Djokodal back to back this year in WB. Provided he hits the ball as well as he did in FO. They both don't seem to be in any spectacular grass forms of past.And Fed has blitzed Nadal on slow HC even. However a motivated Djokovic means game over for both of Fedal.


6. More of a hope , but somehow think Murray will do a decent comeback.

I can agree on everything here.

 

[ChrisRF]

Pete Sampras would never have made it to the top if he was born 25 years later, Because no coach today would have taken the risk of switching him to a OHBH as a junior. He would have ended up being another next gen generic baseliner. Sampras would not have been a major champion playing this way.

Serve and volley could work in todays era. It just isn't being taught because it's easier to coach baseline bashing.

I agree that Sampras played the style that was the best for him and most likely it would still have been the best for him today.

But he wouldn’t win Slams with it in this era, no matter how good he was, because the modern racquets would punish him at the net.

Sampras is a good example for an ATG who was born at the right time, when offensive first-strike power mattered a lot while passing shots were still extremely difficult. He would have also been much less successful if he had played earlier.

I therefore generally think the often heard opinion "A great champion would adapt to any conditions" is wrong. Different conditions make different champions instead. Federer could be one of the very rare exceptions.

 

[Dolgopolov85]

"Motivated Djokovic" is the new "Healthy Nadal." Every single tournament we hear now that no one can stop a motivated Nole lol. Of course, if he loses, he simply wasn't motivated enough

Good observation. One would imagine he would not go armor y paz or whatever it was for at least the slams.

 

[Red Rick]

McEnroe had the talent to win 14 majors, but not the application

Pete Sampras would never have made it to the top if he was born 25 years later, Because no coach today would have taken the risk of switching him to a OHBH as a junior. He would have ended up being another next gen generic baseliner. Sampras would not have been a major champion playing this way.

Serve and volley could work in todays era. It just isn't being taught because it's easier to coach baseline bashing

Although Thiem works really hard he lacks a true killer instinct in matches

Dimitrov never had the right talent to win majors

Murray would win 6 majors in a different era, as discussed in my "Murray vs Becker" thread
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/andy-murray-vs-boris-becker.638000/

Was the backhand such a big difference for Sampras? I thought it was his weakest shot?

In any case, any single handed backhand suffers from 2nd serve return issues, so Sampras having a 2 hander wouldn't be all bad.

 

[Red Rick]

1. Murray will return to top 10.
2. Wawrinka has at minimum a GS SF in him.
3. FAA and Coric will never win a GS, because of their choke-issues.
4. Shapovalov is extremely an overhyped and overrated tennis player.
5. Hard Court is the worst and most boring surface.

Surface being entertaining or not depends on the match more than on the surface imo.

Please be right about 1.

 

[Yugram]

1.Federer will never reach a Slam final again.

2.Tsitsipas will turn out to be a complete joke and we will see it next season.

3.Thiem will win USO this year.

4.Nothing special about FAA at all.

5.Djokovic’s USO last year was kind of a fluke due to all decent opponents being in Nadal’s draw. He played like sheet all tournament including the final and would’ve lost to both Khachanov and Thiem.

 

[RS]

1. It is hard to call anybody the GOAT. Not only because it’s hard to compare eras due to surfaces,balls,equipment but possibly because all greats have enough of a flaw to hold them back.
2. 2011/12 Federer at slams wouldn’t match up with 2014-early 2016 Djokovic at slams as well as some people think.
3. Since the game changing with the courts and balls in the early 2000s Nadal hasn’t gained as much compared his rivals as much as people think.
4. Murray might have had his best clay season level-wise in 2011 and not in 2015-16 level wise.
5. Djokovic competition in 2011 gets a bit to much credit while his 2014-15 competition doesn’t get enough.
6. People under-look the physicality involved in Federer game pre 2013-14.
7. Ivan Lendl had the toughest competition of any ATG and always will.
8. 2012 Murray on grass would have had a great chance of beating any Djokovic on grass save for the 2015 Djokovic who beat Cllic in the QF and Federer in the final.
9. Nadal peak level can often get under-looked due to his relative inability to sustain it over time compared to his rivals.
10. Each of the big 3 have a good case for being better or worse than the others.
11. Federer peak level at the USO gets a bit too much credit while his AO peak level doesn’t get enough credit.
12. Federer and Djokovic needed to beat Nadal in great form to win a 2nd RG each cement themselves as more all rounded than him.
13. Borg possibly has as high as a peak level as Nadal on red clay.
14. 2012 was the only true year of the Big 4 era were they all co dominated and looked at a similar level.
15. Tennis pre 1970s and going all the way back was not as weak and primitive as some people claim.
16. Sampras is under looked on clay and slower surfaces and would have had more success on clay today.
17. Rebound Ace is not as fast and attacker friendly as people think over Plexicushion pre 2016-17.
18. Clay is not a boring surface.
19. USO 2015 might have been Federer best USO since his peak years on the surface (2004-2008)
20. 2009 Federer served nearly as well as 2015 Federer did.
Those are 20.

 

[tennis_pro]

1.Federer will never reach a Slam final again.

2.Tsitsipas will turn out to be a complete joke and we will see it next season.

3.Thiem will win USO this year.

4.Nothing special about FAA at all.

5.Djokovic’s USO last year was kind of a fluke due to all decent opponents being in Nadal’s draw. He played like sheet all tournament including the final and would’ve lost to both Khachanov and Thiem.

In before Federer reaches the Wimbledon final.

 

[Towny]

Connors would have won around 12 slams had he played the AO more, played RG from 74-78 and were the USO on hard court from 75-77

Thiem won't win more than 2 RG titles and probably not more than 3 slams total

Kyrgios will never win a slam, or perhaps 1 at the very most

Zverev will win more than one slam

 

[LETitBE]

nadal is a spanish cyclist who plays tennis

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

You're right. Looked up picture.

Lopez master race.

Still got an amazing serve for his height for sure. Love Lopez' serve (and overall playstyle).

 

[Sport]

Bautista Agut and Raonic are entertaining.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

1) Fed's RG / Halle kits were awesome.
2) Nadal has a decent shot at Wimbledon.
3) Djokovic is very good on fast surfaces.
4) Nadal's serve is underrated.
5) Kyrgios is an OK dude really.

 

[weakera]

1) Fed's RG / Halle kits were awesome.
2) Nadal has a decent shot at Wimbledon.
3) Djokovic is very good on fast surfaces.
4) Nadal's serve is underrated.
5) Kyrgios is an OK dude really.

No one believes that Rafa does not have at least a decent shot at Wimbledon.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

No one believes that Rafa does not have at least a decent shot at Wimbledon.

There's been tons of suggestions in here that almost certainly are widely shared. Funny you picked up on that one.

 

[weakera]

There's been tons of suggestions in here that almost certainly are widely shared. Funny you picked up on that one.

Yours is the first post I've read in here outside of the op.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Yours is the first post I've read in here outside of the op.

I rest my case.

 

[weakera]

I rest my case.

Incorrect.

 

[Standaa]

Federer serve is so ****ing overrated and the arguments people use to challenge that makes me lose faith in humanity

But I thought Serena said it was underrated?

Who’s right?

 

[OhYes]

I think Kyrgios is paid to do all these things he is doing now. In clay season it was attack on Nadal and Djokovic, in grass season he is dealing more with Djokovic.
I can't speak for Nadal's case much, but Djokovic was attacked many times before mainly by British press and journalists, with things that are mainly gossips or constructed scenarios that are far from truth. They tried to put him out of balance, to deal with things outside of tennis, they became quiet all of a sudden but now this idiot jumps in with his little play and does their job. If NK is payed 750.000$ to play in Laver Cup, I think he is on someones payroll to be "maniacally obsessed with Novak" too.

 

[RS]

I think Kyrgios is paid to do all these things he is doing now. In clay season it was attack on Nadal and Djokovic, in grass season he is dealing more with Djokovic.
I can't speak for Nadal's case much, but Djokovic was attacked many times before mainly by British press and journalists, with things that are mainly gossips or constructed scenarios that are far from truth. They tried to put him out of balance, to deal with things outside of tennis, they became quiet all of a sudden but now this idiot jumps in with his little play and does their job. If NK is payed 750.000$ to play in Laver Cup, I think he is on someones payroll to be "maniacally obsessed with Novak" too.

Very interesting opinion. One of the best I have read actually.

 

[OhYes]

Very interesting opinion. One of the best I have read actually.

Hope you are not sarcastic. If that's not the case, thank you

 

[RS]

Hope you are not sarcastic. If that's not the case, thank you

No really. Never thought of it that way with Djokovic-Kyrgios.

 

[Steve0904]

Kyrgios is not as "talented" as most people think he is. I've been saying variations of this for about 2-3 years as well so it's not a new opinion that was formed yesterday.

 

[Red Rick]

I think Kyrgios is paid to do all these things he is doing now. In clay season it was attack on Nadal and Djokovic, in grass season he is dealing more with Djokovic.
I can't speak for Nadal's case much, but Djokovic was attacked many times before mainly by British press and journalists, with things that are mainly gossips or constructed scenarios that are far from truth. They tried to put him out of balance, to deal with things outside of tennis, they became quiet all of a sudden but now this idiot jumps in with his little play and does their job. If NK is payed 750.000$ to play in Laver Cup, I think he is on someones payroll to be "maniacally obsessed with Novak" too.

Wouldn't surprise me at all. In return everyone raves about how talent he is, inflating his market value.

 

[Nole_King]

Murray is (was) more talented than Djokovic

At least you know here that you are wrong.