For a moment, I thought @HetTheGreaterer was unbanned, due to that Avatar of yours, gentleman.1. Feder
2. McEnroe
3. Edberg
4. Becker
5. Sampras
For a moment, I thought @HetTheGreaterer was unbanned, due to that Avatar of yours, gentleman.
What??It's in his memory, sir/ma'am.
I'm pretty sure Pete said that the best doubles team of all time was Mac and anyone else.1. McEnroe
2. Edberg
3. Roche
4. Becker
5. Sampras
He knows everything about Het so he misses him, sir/brother/gentlemanWhat??
I don't understand.
Was he a good friend of yours too?
I still have contact with him outside of the forum, gentleman.
Edberg above Pete imo1. McEnroe
2. Paes
3. Bryan Brothers
4. Edberg/Sampras
5. Navratilova
Roger is nowhere near the top 10 let alone 5 volleyers of all time.Mac, Edberg, PETE, Becker, and Rafter stick out above many of the others. A boring answer, but I can't help but be impressed when I see old clips of those guys working their magic. I have no idea about Laver or any of those older players, though.
Fraud is a great volleyer indeed, but he's edged out by the top five I think. It'd be interesting to see what his net game would have developed into had he played in the 90's more. He started out with a bit of an old-school game that carried over into about 2003 before switching to his more modern strokes.
Please, spare us.Roger is nowhere near the top 10 let alone 5 volleyers of all time.
Of truth?Please, spare us.
What's with you and your love affair with Baghy?In honest disbelief at the inclusion of Fed in so many top 5s. Talk Feddy warehouse indeed.
Anyways among ATGs:
1. Edberg
2. Laver
3. Mac
4. Baghdatis
5. Pete
What's with the forum's love affair with Feddy?What's with you and your love affair with Baghy?
Oh, you told him??He knows everything about Het so he misses him, sir/brother/gentleman
In all honesty, as a Fed fan, I do find it difficult to accommodate him when it comes to all time volleyers though he would just about make the cut for my top 10. After the five I have mentioned, I would still have to find room for at least Pat Cash, Feli and Stepanek. I have seen Feli change direction on a shoestring volley. I don't remember seeing Fed do that. Fed is brilliant at everything but not necessarily the best at everything. I mean, there's no player who's that anyway, it's not possible. Best forehand followed by a top 5 serve and slice and top 10ish everything else.Please, spare us.
I thought you could answer that, as you seem to bring up Fraud even in threads that have nothing to do with him.What's with the forum's love affair with Feddy?
Feddys brought him up in a thread about the top 5 volleyers of all time tho.I thought you could answer that, as you seem to bring up Fraud even in threads that have nothing to do with him.
What does your top 10 look like? I agree that he probably doesn't make the top ten (unsure about the "nowhere near" qualifier).Roger is nowhere near the top 10 let alone 5 volleyers of all time.
I appreciate your sense of fairness but Fed would be lucky to make the cut as a top 50 volleyer all time. As an example, Pete is an ATG volleyer but I hesitate to put him in a top 5 all time list that isn't limited to OE ATGs because even in his own era there were volleyers like Rafter who were superior to him in some aspects of the volley/net game. Put another way, is Pete's volley comparable to his serve? Its a stretch. Is Fed's volley comparable to his GOAT forehand? LMAOIn all honesty, as a Fed fan, I do find it difficult to accommodate him when it comes to all time volleyers though he would just about make the cut for my top 10. After the five I have mentioned, I would still have to find room for at least Pat Cash, Feli and Stepanek. I have seen Feli change direction on a shoestring volley. I don't remember seeing Fed do that. Fed is brilliant at everything but not necessarily the best at everything. I mean, there's no player who's that anyway, it's not possible. Best forehand followed by a top 5 serve and slice and top 10ish everything else.
Take a look at my response to Dogopolov then lets go from thereWhat does your top 10 look like? I agree that he probably doesn't make the top ten (unsure about the "nowhere near" qualifier).
Do you take into consideration though due to his attacking game, he often puts himself in a tough position, yet more often than not comes up with a clean volley? That's also in an era were we've seen the best basinliners in tennis history. Compare him to Nadal for instance, who is also an excellent volleyer, however generally comes into the net when it's an easy put-away.In all honesty, as a Fed fan, I do find it difficult to accommodate him when it comes to all time volleyers though he would just about make the cut for my top 10. After the five I have mentioned, I would still have to find room for at least Pat Cash, Feli and Stepanek. I have seen Feli change direction on a shoestring volley. I don't remember seeing Fed do that. Fed is brilliant at everything but not necessarily the best at everything. I mean, there's no player who's that anyway, it's not possible. Best forehand followed by a top 5 serve and slice and top 10ish everything else.
Yes that's because Fedr has a case to be in the top 5. Of course it's debatable but it's not that far-fetched.Feddys brought him up in a thread about the top 5 volleyers of all time tho.
btw I refer mostly to Open Era. In the grand scheme of things, since net play has been a crucial part of tennis from the 1880s up until like 20 years ago, there have most probably been lots of players better than Fed at the net. But what's your personal top 10 as far as OE is concerned? The post you referred me to only covers a couple of players.Take a look at my response to Dogopolov then lets go from there
Fed doesn't come in that often though. If he serve and volleyed like past greats he wouldn't look anywhere near as clean at net. And the volleys Fed makes aren't really that impressive imo. Greatly aided by poly and his form isn't great either. Honestly he is a great shotmaker but his actual volleying ability is above average to good imoDo you take into consideration though due to his attacking game, he often puts himself in a tough position, yet more often than not comes up with a clean volley? That's also in an era were we've seen the best basinliners in tennis history. Compare him to Nadal for instance, who is also an excellent volleyer, however generally comes into the net when it's an easy put-away.
Yes...yes it is. You're going to tell me you think Fed's volleys are comparable to Rafter's let alone Edberg's????Yes that's because Fedr has a case to be in the top 5. Of course it's debatable but it's not that far-fetched.
Top 50 is a stretch, I can't think of 50 better volleyers than him all time. Not unless you are including doubles specialists. If you did, then yes, Leander for starters. Peter Fleming was another. There would be so many.I appreciate your sense of fairness but Fed would be lucky to make the cut as a top 50 volleyer all time. As an example, Pete is an ATG volleyer but I hesitate to put him in a top 5 all time list that isn't limited to OE ATGs because even in his own era there were volleyers like Rafter who were superior to him in some aspects of the volley/net game. Put another way, is Pete's volley comparable to his serve? Its a stretch. Is Fed's volley comparable to his GOAT forehand? LMAO
I do. Because I have seen the other volleyers I mentioned also volley from similar tough positions. And more often because all of the ones I mentioned serve volleyed a lot more than Fed. And it's a myth that serve and volley was easy in the 80s or 90s. It never was. These players just honed the ability early, so they could repeatedly make volleys that would be considered impossible today.Do you take into consideration though due to his attacking game, he often puts himself in a tough position, yet more often than not comes up with a clean volley? That's also in an era were we've seen the best basinliners in tennis history. Compare him to Nadal for instance, who is also an excellent volleyer, however generally comes into the net when it's an easy put-away.
There are too many great volleyers even OE to make a good list imo. Among slam champions though I would say Edberg is my personal GOAT then you have a nice gap and Mac comes into the picture for his hands and good anticipation, then you have your bread and butter volleyers who lived and died by the volley because their serves weren't anything to write home about like your Cash, your Rafter, your Laver's, then I would put a healthy gap and put Pete at the top of the next tier with guys like Becker, Henman etc. beneath.btw I refer mostly to Open Era. In the grand scheme of things, since net play has been a crucial part of tennis from the 1880s up until like 20 years ago, there have most probably been lots of players better than Fed at the net. But what's your personal top 10 as far as OE is concerned? The post you referred me to only covers a couple of players.
Laver's serve not being anything to write home about isn't something I am too sure about. It more than got the job done in his time.There are too many great volleyers even OE to make a good list imo. Among slam champions though I would say Edberg is my personal GOAT then you have a nice gap and Mac comes into the picture for his hands and good anticipation, then you have your bread and butter volleyers who lived and died by the volley because their serves weren't anything to write home about like your Cash, your Rafter, your Laver's, then I would put a healthy gap and put Pete at the top of the next tier with guys like Becker, Henman etc. beneath.
Do we just mean the technique and hands or also net coverage as well?
Depends on whether we're talking consistency here or at their best.
clayqueen likes this1. McEnroe
2. Edberg
3. PETE
4. Nadal
5. Federer