Shangri La
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It's only the toughest draw if Nadal actually plays and beats all of them.
Losing in the first round doesnt count you know.
Losing in the first round doesnt count you know.
The toughest draw of all time: Nadal at Wimbledon 2019
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TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal has the toughest draw and the hardest quarter. It'a a little weird how all the dangerous players are stacked in his section.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
All signs point to Tsonga having no shot, but for some reason, I feel like he knows this is his last run, and he will come firing on all cylinders.
All 3 Nadal's potential banana skins have a relatively easy path to meet him:
Nick has only Thompson
Tsonga has Tomic and Shapo
Cilic has Mannarino, Sousa and Delbonis
Granted, they are all in relatively poor form, and Rafa will be the favorite in every match but:
-this is grass, the upset surface
-they all have the game for grass
-they have the game that bothers Rafa (big serve + FH combo)
-they actually have a decent enough record vs Rafa 3/3, 4/8 & 2/6
-both Tsonga and Nick lead him 1-0 on grass, and Marin has outperformed Rafa at Wimby the last 5 years (last year's fluke 2R loss was a shock, though)
-and they are scheduled to meet him in the 1st week when there is still some grass on courts
Having said that, Rafa will probably go through regardless, or maybe not even meet any of them. But thinking it would be easy for him is giving him way too much credit on grass, and not nearly enough to the other guys.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Wouldn't the toughest draw of all time be Sugita considering he has to play Rafa in round 1, then everybody else Rafa would have to play?
Breakpointerer
Legend
LOL nice one
SystemicAnomaly
Bionic Poster
In general, #3 isn't necessarily much different from #2 when they end up in the same half. However, in this case the fates have conspired against Rafa. He could potentially face Kyrgios, Tsonga or Shapovalov, Cilic, Thiem or Querry, and Federer in order to reach the final. Poor, poor Rafa. Boo-hoo.
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SystemicAnomaly
Bionic Poster
Rafa has a good chance to make it to the SF round. He dodged a particularly dangerous bullet... Dustin Brown lost in the 2nd round of Qualifying and is already heading off to play a Challenger in Germany. Lukas Rosol out in the 3rd round of Q. Sigh of relief from Rafa.
Crisis averted.
Crisis averted.
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SystemicAnomaly
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Dustin Brown flying >>> off to the Ludwigshafen Challenger. Rafa and Alexander Zverev shed a tear.
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Not one thing of what I said is untrue or overstated. Cilic has been abysmal all year (recently lost to Schwartzman on grass in two sets). Tsonga's last big hurrah at Wimbledon was three years ago. Regularly he cannot get past the QFs of ATP250s and ATP500s that he plays. He isn't the player he used to be and that is obvious to anyone who understands what he sees. Thiem is the biggest candidate to finally exceed his previous efforts on grass, but I will believe it when I see it. I removed the part comparing me with a complete troll and ignorant.
Big servers that cannot hold their serve to save their lives recently. 18-21 years old that are the perfect mixture of unpredictability on the surface and explosiveness to take advantage of the faster conditions in the first week.
To me that is an untrue statement, and I will watch carefully how the events will unravel, to see who was right.
So, what have your careful observations shown you so far? I don't want to tell you "told you so", but I really told you so more than once
I'll also gracefully expect any revenge mocking if tomorrow the oldies lose, but I don't think they will.
Tennis_Hands
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Tennis_Hands
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You have quoted every one of my posts, so I know for a fact that you can do it.
Other than that: look what we have here:
And, lol and behold:
Lol, you almost got them all.
I wasn't planning addressing that, but you really deserved it.
Right, let's put you to bed, OK?
1) You are quoting my LIVE postings from the DRAW thread. These weren't my predictions, these were my copy-pasted live updates from the draw. So, you are knowingly falsely presenting information, which makes you a liar - not for the first time.
You want to see my predictions? This is from the Power play thread:
4. Hubert Hurkacz (POL) vs. [32] Dusan Lajovic (SRB) - (12-9) - 1st
11. Jeremy Chardy (FRA) vs. Martin Klizan (SVK) - (12-9) - 2nd
17. [4] Kevin Anderson (RSA) vs. Pierre-Hugues Herbert (FRA) - (6-18) - 3rd
18. Janko Tipsarevic (SRB) vs. Yoshihito Nishioka (JPN) - (25-4) - 4th
27. Steve Darcis (BEL) vs. Mischa Zverev (GER) - (15-7) - 5th
30. Roberto Carballes Baena (ESP) vs. Miomir Kecmanovic (SRB) - (10-10) - 6th
5 out of 6, with a bid on Herbert being too good to pass up.
2) You said "You may want to go through our communication once again", but edited all of it but for one post BEFORE posting it, to hide what you wrote. None of my posts are edited - so what does this tell you? One of us said some pretty stupid things, and if it wasn't me... Are you connecting the dots yet?
Now, I think this pretty much covers it, and paints you not only as a sore loser, but also a liar and manipulator. Not a pretty picture, indeed. Lesson concluded.
Tennis_Hands
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ductrung3993
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His USO win in 2010 and 2017 was way tougher.
Those are your posts, without further clarification that those are not your opinions, but a "copy-paste". I certainly wouldn't "copy-paste" anything that I don't consider probable, without clarifying that, so, sorry about putting yourself in such position. I will go with my original suggestion, especially seeing that you added an emoticon to Djokovic's draw. Apparently you thought about it before posting the "copy-paste", or you "copy-pasted" that too?
These are posts, posted in a thread discussing the live Wimbledon draw, in which I copy-pasted updates from an Australian webpage following the draw INSTANTENOUSLY as they were published. A normal person wouldn't need any context to pick that up, it's quite obvious from the flaw of the thread. I repeat, a normal person. You are clearly making things up, and you can't even cover it with a bad story, let alone a good one. It's grasping at imaginary straws at best.
What profit? Where did I change my opinion? You do realize you are trying to spin me getting 5 out of 6 rather obscure matches right as "doesn't look good", and you having no clue what level Top 10 players are? Dear Lord.
I don't really need to insult your intelligence - that would be completely superfluous.
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
Username_
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Everything is tough for Nadal. Especially USO 2017
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Starting to look like an easy draw. I could now argue he gets to play a tired NK.
Imagine if Tsonga and Cilic and Querrey lose.
The argument will now inevitably switch to "thoughest" players ever playing superbly, but losing to even "thougher" players, which makes the "thoughest draw ever" the most "thoughest" imaginable
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
Lol this is a joke, you originally put Thiem as a tough quarter final opponent but have now edited the post now that Querry beat him. Also edited out shapovalov since hes lost. Are you going to keep on editing it as other players lose?
At least have the courage to stand by your original post.
Btw Querry is not a tough opponent for a quarter. If querry makes the quarter thats an fairly average section of the draw, he has only ever made it to the quarters or further once. Be prepared to edit again when he loses before the quarters
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Breakpointerer
Legend
Lol
So much for the " most brutal draw in tennis history"
So much for the " most brutal draw in tennis history"
Dedans Penthouse
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I Am Finnish
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jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
He has more than 25,000 posts and his English is still as broken as it's ever been
Baghdatis4TW
New User
Huh? What signs? Tsonga should have beaten Federer in Halle.
OldschoolKIaus
Hall of Fame
Imma always in the ah tough draw hera in Wimbeledon, no? In Paris, Toni orders a easy draw and I get it, no?
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
You know the last year of his tennis...
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Hes got the next best chance winning HC majors after Djokovic, that's for sure.
Stan Wawrinka has won more HC majors in last 5 years
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
How many HC finals has he been near the last 2 ? We are talking recent results since you said he wont win anything else off of clay LOL
No one else has come closer in 2019 than Novak
. We aren't talking about 2016
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
How many HC finals has he been near the last 2 ? We are talking recent results since you said he wont win anything else off of clay LOL
No one else has come closer in 2019 than Novak
How many titles he has to show ? That is all what counts on the final Sunday.
Tennis_Hands
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Baghdatis4TW
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Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
2 matches?
VaporDude95
Banned
That just reflects how much Nadal sucks on grass.
augustobt
Legend
Nah.
It reflects how some of his fans like to cherry pick criteria.
If someone posted the same draw for Federer, they'd try to dismiss that.
VaporDude95
Banned
But also Federer wouldn’t lose to Kyrgios. He only has one win (Madrid 2015)
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
This is true when talking about most other players on tour but Kyrgios can't stand Nadal and loathes Djokovic and as a result means he always plays them like his life depends on it which kind of does make him a tough opponent, at least for them.
titoelcolombiano
Legend
Good thing is that if Rafa gest past Kyrgios, Tsonga and Cilic he will be nice and sharp for the Fedal semi.
Honestly, he had a pretty equivalent draw in 2017: Dimitrov, Raonic, Berdych, Cilic. Plus M. Zverev and Dolgopolov early on. And that’s considered a weak slam by many. The only positive was he didn’t have to play another one of the Big 3, but, well, this draw hasn’t played out yet so it’s entirely possible Nadal doesn’t have to play either Federer or Djokovic.
Krish0608
G.O.A.T.
Or he maybe quite exhausted with little left in the tank. Either ways, all points to a Djokovic win, while players kill each other in this half.
Tennis_Hands
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That was not the "draw". It was the "projected draw". The difference is considerable, if you knew what you are arguing. I already commented on your way of communicating, but it is worth nothing repeating that you put your opinion in there. Too bad.
As of yesterday, there is more substance to my talk than to yours, and I believe it will get even more so as the tournament progresses. Oh, sorry, as of the day before yesterday, as Monfils got eliminated then, I believe, despite of your "predictions" that he is "likely" to be Djokovic's opponent. The same way that Thiem and Shapeau were making Nadal's draw "difficult" despite of me telling you that they aren't going anywhere, and not in the vague arguments that you used when jumped at me with your little ego, when you first came back at me after the tournament started.
Right, one last time, in small words so you might understand them.
What was the topic:
I exposed you as a Nadal hater with an agenda after you propped up Nole's draw and claimed his is the harder one. You said the young guns, citing Felix, Tsitsi, Zverev and Khachanov are dangerous opponents, while I claimed the Nadal's projected draw (I'll explain this term to you later on) of old/established opponents (Kyrgios, Tsonga, Cilic) will ACTUALLY get to play Rafa, and are indeed a tougher draw. You stuck to your guns, I stuck to mine.
What actually happened:
Tsitsi and Zverev were bounced Round 1, and I reminded you just how wrong you were. I also said there might be egg on my face if "my guys" lose before reaching Nadal, but that hasn't happened yet.
And then you threw a massive hissy-fit and started making up things:
1) You quoted my post from a different thread and falsely represented it as prediction. I repeatedly told you it's a copy/paste of a projected draw, but to no avail. Now let me school you what is a projected draw as you really struggle with this term. This is a draw that would happen if all players play to their seeding/ranking. To put it in very small words, a draw that would pan out if a higher ranked player wins every match. I didn't put it together, I copy/pasted it from a journalist Twitter account.
2) You continuously bring up my smiley expressing surprise at Nole's draw as some sort of opinion. It is, and it's the same one I and also many people here expressed more than once - that Nole's draw is easy.
3) Thiem and Shapo are OP's picks as "thoughest" draw ever, I only talked about R2-R4 run for Rafa, and obviously the projected SF and F with Roger & Nole (see how the projected draw is used?)
What I want from you:
1) Stop lying and falsely representing my posts.
2) Own up to your stupid predictions like a man, not hide behind your imaginary wall of lies.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Yup. I think he will not have trouble with Nick and Jo. Jo will clown around after losing the first set. Nick has fitness issues.
Cilic might manage to keep it close but it will be 3 or 4 sets.
So yeah, it won't be exhausting, and its better than playing some scrubs like Fedr has.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Draw got brutaler with Theim getting knocked out.
Hopefully no one else gets knocked off your list. this is bad enough as it is.
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