At this very moment who you rate higher: Djokovic or Nadal

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lud

lud

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Let's see..

More Grand Slams: 14-12 Nadal (but Djokovic is better at 3 GS)
More weeks at No.1: Djokovic
H2H: 26-23 Djokovic (Had a 7-0 streak twice 2011-2012 and 2015-2016 and still counting)
H2H in GS: 9-4 Nadal (but Djokovic defeat Nadal in all GS,Nadal didn't defeat Djokovic in Aussie Open)
Masters: 30:28 Djokovic
Higher level of play: Nadal on clay,Djokovic everywhere else
More GS in one year: 2-1 Djokovic. Both win three GS in one year,but Djokovic did twice.
Mental strength: Djokovic. Nadal has mental block against Djokovic.
Year ending as No.1: Djokovic 4-3 (and probably 2016 to make it 5)
More losing GS finals: 9-6 Djokovic overall (Nadal leading 4-3 versus Djokovic in finals)
WTF: 5-0 Djokovic
Davis Cup: 3-1 Nadal
Olympics : Nadal is better by far

Djokovic has NCYGS and Nadal won 3 GS on three different surfaces in one year.


So what's your vote?
 
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lud said:
Let's see..

More Grand Slams: 14-12 Nadal (but Djokovic is better at 3 GS)
More weeks at No.1: Djokovic
H2H: 26-23 Djokovic (Had a 7-0 streak twice 2011-2012 and 2015-2016 and still counting)
H2H in GS: 9-4 Nadal (but Djokovic defeat Nadal in all GS,Nadal didn't defeat Djokovic in Aussie Open)
Masters: 30:28 Djokovic
Higher level of play: Nadal on clay,Djokovic everywhere else
More GS in one year: 2-1 Djokovic. Both win three GS in one year,but Djokovic did twice.
Mental strength: Djokovic. Nadal has mental block against Djokovic.
Year ending as No.1: Djokovic 4-3 (and probably 2016 to make it 5)
More losing GS finals: 9-6 Djokovic overall (Nadal leading 4-3 versus Djokovic in finals)
WTF: 5-0 Djokovic
Davis Cup: 3-1 Nadal
Olympics : Nadal is better by far

Djokovic has NCYGS and Nadal won 3 GS on three different surfaces in one year.


So what's your vote?
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You did a good job with listing the most important statistics.

I still rate Nadal higher at this point, because I find the Majors as the most significant metrics when determining someone's greatness, at least for the players in current era.
However, if Djokovic ends up with 14 Majors (assuming that Nadal won't win another one), I will consider him greater, because he is far superior to Rafa in many other aspects.
 
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It should be Djokovic because of more important (Grand Slam) matches in his career he has won, Djokovic has better win ratio, H2H and more weeks at No.1 spot.
If we would go by trends or what would be if Nadal wasn't out from game for so long, it would be Nadal who would be better player.
 
Livedeath

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At present Rafa is greater, but Nole is catching him up very fast and will soon overtake him, maybe within a year.

As far as mental strength is concerned i don't reckon Nole is above Rafa. Rafa is a mental beast, while Nole is susceptible to crowd behavior. Yes he showed amazing mental fortitude in US Open 15 final, but that was one of the rare occasions where he did not allow the external factors to deviate him from his normal course of play. To counter my own opinion i would say Rafa never had to face such factors, hence he was focused primarily on the game and the mental battle between the players, like who is going to outfox each other, hence it is a moot question like in ideal conditions who will be the winner in cat and mouse mental game. In such conditions i would go for Nole.
 
Urkezi

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Finally a poll which Nole has a chance of winning! But seeing how arrogant and blinded his fans are here I wouldn't be surprised to see him lose the popular vote, yet again :)

I go for Nadal, but I would definitely vote Nole if he had 13 GS and there'd be no doubt whatsoever if they were tied at 14 a piece.
 
Phoenix1983

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Martin J said:
You did a good job with listing the most important statistics.

I still rate Nadal higher at this point, because I find the Majors as the most significant metrics when determining someone's greatness, at least for the players in current era.
However, if Djokovic ends up with 14 Majors (assuming that Nadal won't win another one), I will consider him greater, because his is far superior to Rafa in many other aspects.
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Reasonable position. I think that Nole is already greater, due to his superiority in every other area over Rafa.
 
Noelan

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Urkezi said:
Finally a poll which Nole has a chance of winning! But seeing how arrogant and blinded his fans are here I wouldn't be surprised to see him lose the popular vote, yet again :)

I go for Nadal, but I would definitely vote Nole if he had 13 GS and there'd be no doubt whatsoever if they were tied at 14 a piece.
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Many of Novak fans never vote here , simply because we know that this is fedal fanboys forum. Try to lecture to your own fan base:) And spare us from your angry outbursts.
 
Urkezi

Urkezi

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Noelan said:
Many of Novak fans never vote here , simply because we know that this is fedal fanboys forum. Try to lecture to your own fan base:) And spare us of your angry outbursts.
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Yet you just wrote here, a bit hypocritical, just like your boy :) And if you know it's a Fedal forum, why you bother reading it? False expectations much? Again, another trait you share with Nole.

Also, where did you get angry outburst from? Has stating facts and putting smilies gotten renamed?
 
Noelan

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Urkezi said:
Yet you just wrote here, a bit hypocritical, just like your boy :) And if you know it's a Fedal forum, why you bother reading it? False expectations much? Again, another trait you share with Nole.

Also, where did you get angry outburst from? Has stating facts and putting smilies gotten renamed?
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I'm pretty sure I read your yesterday outburst for no reason.

Should calm down a bit :oops:
And vote whoever you want
 
Urkezi

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Noelan said:
I'm pretty sure I read your yesterday outburst for no reason.

Should calm down a bit :oops:
And vote whoever you want
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There is always a reason for an outburst, but again if you consider an outburst calling out people for posting stupid posts, I guess every second of every day on every forum there is an outburst and everybody should "calm down a bit".

Now I've voted for who I wanted, thank you very much for your permission, kind sir, stated it and explained it as well. I guess you and other Nole fans have better things to do than vote, like gather and talk about why you are not voting for your guy here so he keeps falling short in every poll, right? How very convenient for your egos, well played.
 
Noelan

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Urkezi said:
There is always a reason for an outburst, but again if you consider an outburst calling out people for posting stupid posts, I guess every second of every day on every forum there is an outburst and everybody should "calm down a bit".

Now I've voted for who I wanted, thank you very much for your permission, kind sir, stated it and explained it as well. I guess you and other Nole fans have better things to do than vote, like gather and talk about why you are not voting for your guy here so he keeps falling short in every poll, right? How very convenient for your egos, well played.
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There are dozens stupid threads here day after day. I joined to read more about game of tennis but there is more threads who has bigger w...y. This one is just like that.
OP was silent until recently. So much about hypocracy.:eek:
 
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lud said:
Let's see..

More Grand Slams: 14-12 Nadal (but Djokovic is better at 3 GS)
More weeks at No.1: Djokovic
H2H: 26-23 Djokovic (Had a 7-0 streak twice 2011-2012 and 2015-2016 and still counting)
H2H in GS: 9-4 Nadal (but Djokovic defeat Nadal in all GS,Nadal didn't defeat Djokovic in Aussie Open)
Masters: 30:28 Djokovic
Higher level of play: Nadal on clay,Djokovic everywhere else
More GS in one year: 2-1 Djokovic. Both win three GS in one year,but Djokovic did twice.
Mental strength: Djokovic. Nadal has mental block against Djokovic.
Year ending as No.1: Djokovic 4-3 (and probably 2016 to make it 5)
More losing GS finals: 9-6 Djokovic overall (Nadal leading 4-3 versus Djokovic in finals)
WTF: 5-0 Djokovic
Davis Cup: 3-1 Nadal
Olympics : Nadal is better by far

Djokovic has NCYGS and Nadal won 3 GS on three different surfaces in one year.


So what's your vote?
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Nadal is better at USO. Id rather have two wins out of three finals than two out of seven plus NADAl is 2-1 h2h v djokovic there so definitely Nadal is better at USO.

Nadal has 2 channel slams and a golden career slam and more majors and the record at one major.

As much as I like djokovic and get irritated by the lack of respect towards Nole strictly between the two Nadal has had the better career in terms of major successes.

However in terms of consistency it's no contest. Djokovic has been far more consistent and that shouldn't be forgotten.

Id rather have nadal's career but there are those who would value djokovics consistency so depends on an individual's own yardstick.

All I do know for sure is neither Nadal or djokovic lag awake at night thinking who was better!!!
 
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punterlad

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lud said:
Let's see..

More Grand Slams: 14-12 Nadal (but Djokovic is better at 3 GS)
More weeks at No.1: Djokovic
H2H: 26-23 Djokovic (Had a 7-0 streak twice 2011-2012 and 2015-2016 and still counting)
H2H in GS: 9-4 Nadal (but Djokovic defeat Nadal in all GS,Nadal didn't defeat Djokovic in Aussie Open)
Masters: 30:28 Djokovic
Higher level of play: Nadal on clay,Djokovic everywhere else
More GS in one year: 2-1 Djokovic. Both win three GS in one year,but Djokovic did twice.
Mental strength: Djokovic. Nadal has mental block against Djokovic.
Year ending as No.1: Djokovic 4-3 (and probably 2016 to make it 5)
More losing GS finals: 9-6 Djokovic overall (Nadal leading 4-3 versus Djokovic in finals)
WTF: 5-0 Djokovic
Davis Cup: 3-1 Nadal
Olympics : Nadal is better by far

Djokovic has NCYGS and Nadal won 3 GS on three different surfaces in one year.


So what's your vote?
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How about an alternate position. Nadal and djokovic were both better than federer?

Looking at your own stars above Nadal and djokovic achieved all that when both were in their primes facing off against each other.
 
nadalfan2013

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The slams is all that matters:

- Rafa leads 14 to 12 in the slams
- Rafa leads 9 to 4 in the slams meetings
- Rafa leads a strong 14-6 to a weak 12-9 record in slam finals

The next thing that matters are the iconic Olympics & Davis Cup:

- Rafa leads Gold (2x) to Bronze (1x) in the Olympics
- Rafa leads 4 to 1 in Davis Cup titles

My God, it's not even close. LOL

Add stuff like
- Most titles in any grandslam (9 FO), in any masters 1000 (9 Monte Carlo) and in any Atp 500 (9 Barcelona)
- Clearly the greatest clay court player of all time (Novak is not the clear greatest on any surface)
- Most consecutive years with a slam win (10!)
- Winning at least 2 slams on each surface (which Novak has not)
- Winning a slam on hardcourt, grass and clay in the same year (the true best in a calendar year)
- Sweep king: "hardcourt summer sweep", "clay court sweep", "grass sweep" proving domination
- An 25-8 slam record vs the other members of the Big Four (Federer, Djokovic and Murray)
- More career titles
etc.

Please don't embarrass yourself again.
 
Bukmeikara

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Djokovic gained a lot of ground with 2015-2016. He is two Slams less but with far bigger domination than Rafa. If he keeps his motivation up he could challenge the record of weeks as number 1 which bottom line means 150-200 weeks more than Nadal has.
 
atp2015

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Winning a slam the first time counts. Defending it definitely counts to show that the winning the first time around was not a fluke. The third time trophy proves that the player is capable of consistency at the same surface. Beyond 3? It does not make any sense to keep winning a slam or give credit for it. What's the point of proving again and again after winning it 3 times? It's time for us to cap the credit for GS at 3 - Win once to show you can, defend it once to show it was not a fluke, win it for the third time to prove your consistency. After 3 GS, it's time to move on. Winning it more than 3 is just an obsession with a particular surface and it's not a significant milestone.
With that said, Federer has 3 AOs, 1 FO, 3 W, and 3 USO - total of 10. Djokovic - 3 AOs, 1 FO, 3 W and 2 USO - total of 9, Nadal - 1 AO, 3 FO, 2 W, and 2 USO - total 8.

10 > 9 > 8 = Federer, Djokovic and Nadal.

Djokovic can equal Federer by winning another FO or USO. Nadal can equal Djokovic by winning another AO, W or USO. Djokovic winning another AO does not alter his comparison vs Federer. Nadal winning another FO, just a yawn.
Federer has capped his achievement unless he goes onto win another FO.
 
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Xavier G

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Even with Rafa's two Slam lead, I think it's close career wise overall. I have Rafa still a little ahead of Novak who has almost caught up, but not quite, imo. Novak still hasn't won more US Opens even though he's reached more finals. They're 2-2 in Slam wins there and Rafa is ahead in their final confrontations. Djokovic just slipped up again in the final.
Novak did put a lot of hurt on Rafa 2011 (a very impressive ATG year for Novak) and into 2012, but Nadal turned it around at RG and then with his resurgent 2013. Djokovic missed a golden chance at RG to beat Rafa and win the French and then there was a good win for Rafa at the US Open 2013 to decide who would win two Slams for the year, one of his best ever wins, which means I put Nadal still ahead. Novak was knocking at the door in France a long time before finally winning.
Rafa has Olympic gold which Novak wanted and more Davis Cup team wins. Novak has the YEC which Rafa lacks and has two three-Slam seasons, 2011 and 2015. Djokovic has held all 4 Slams at the same time too which is a great achievement too, Masters tour titles pretty close. It comes down to what you like...Novak would still need at least a 13th Slam as I see it, because I think Rafa's 5 year run at Wimbledon from 2006-11 where he reached five Wimbledon finals in successive appearances (he missed 09) and had to compete against peak Federer as most impressive too. He dethroned King Roger at Wimbledon. That's an extra point in Rafa's favour and if Rafa's total is top-heavy at the French, so is Novak's at the AO.
 
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

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Don't know if you're right about mental strength OP. Nadal is exceptional there.

He has 4 Davis Cups btw, not 3.

They are really close, wouldn't want to give anyone the edge. Djokovic does have a really nice varied resume, 4 in a row, WTF success, more weeks and YE #1 titles, better consistency, but Nadal's 2 Slam advantage and Olympic success cannot be ignored either. I'd probably give Djokovic the edge if he wins #13.
 
GabeT

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Pretty close. I place Nole slightly above Nadal and both comfortably above Sampras who, by today's standards, is both a bit one dimensional and somewhat of a slacker.

Like everyone else outside online forums I look at more than Slam results. What Nole has over Nadal is greater dominance over his peers, and that includes the 2011 Peak vs Peak battle. But Nadal has his utter dominance of a surface in a way no other top player has ever dominated. So very close indeed.
 
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itrium84

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They are close, but after Novak's 13th slam title, I would rate him a little above Rafa. Until then, Rafa is above. I hope Novak will win at least 5-6 more slams and become undisputed goat, but it's a long road.

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Phoenix1983 said:
Reasonable position. I think that Nole is already greater, due to his superiority in every other area over Rafa.
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I don't think it is wrong to rate either of them higher, there are arguments for both of them and it all comes down to the preferences, so I don't disagree with you.
 
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mistik

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2 slams difference is a BİG DEAL in men tennis just like 3 slams that separated Fed from Nadal. Nadal all the way and it shouldnt come down to preference because as ı mentioned 2 slams is a big difference especially in men tennis.
 
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zep

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In terms of pure number, it is close. But when you consider the state of tennis in the last 2 years and the fact that Nadal had to beat prime Federer/Djokovic to win 12 slams he is well ahead. For comparison, Djokovic was 7-8 in slam finals till 2014.
 
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zep said:
In terms of pure number, it is close. But when you consider the state of tennis in the last 2 years and the fact that Nadal had to beat prime Federer/Djokovic to win 12 slams he is well ahead. For comparison, Djokovic was 7-8 in slam finals till 2014.
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Federer is then at the bottom of slam list :eek:
 
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zep

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OhYes said:
Federer is then at the bottom of slam list :eek:
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Well he has been to 27 finals and he did have it easy in the first part of his career but that somewhat gets offset by the second part where he had it really tough. But yes compared to Nadal he had it easy overall. But he is well ahead of both Nadal and Djokovic (17 > 14/12) so I will still have him over them.
 
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nadalfan2013 said:
The slams is all that matters:

- Rafa leads 14 to 12 in the slams
- Rafa leads 9 to 4 in the slams meetings
- Rafa leads a strong 14-6 to a weak 12-9 record in slam finals

The next thing that matters are the iconic Olympics & Davis Cup:

- Rafa leads Gold (2x) to Bronze (1x) in the Olympics
- Rafa leads 4 to 1 in Davis Cup titles

My God, it's not even close. LOL

Add stuff like
- Most titles in any grandslam (9 FO), in any masters 1000 (9 Monte Carlo) and in any Atp 500 (9 Barcelona)
- Clearly the greatest clay court player of all time (Novak is not the clear greatest on any surface)
- Most consecutive years with a slam win (10!)
- Winning at least 2 slams on each surface (which Novak has not)
- Winning a slam on hardcourt, grass and clay in the same year (the true best in a calendar year)
- Sweep king: "hardcourt summer sweep", "clay court sweep", "grass sweep" proving domination
- An 25-8 slam record vs the other members of the Big Four (Federer, Djokovic and Murray)
- More career titles
etc.

Please don't embarrass yourself again.
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And stuff like

ATP Rankings 1973 Highest number of ranking points as World No.1 (16,950) Stands alone
Grand Slams 1877 Holding all 4 Majors titles on 3 different surfaces at once Stands alone
Grand Slams 1877 Non-Calendar Year Grand Slam Stands alone
Grand Slams 1877 88.4% (114–15) hardcourt match winning percentage Stands alone
ATP World Tour 1970 Holding all 4 Grand Slams and Year-End Championship at once Stands alone
ATP World Tour 1970 35 Top-tier hardcourt tournaments won (Big Titles)[c] Stands alone
ATP World Tour 1970 10 Top tier tournaments won in a season (2015) Stands alone
ATP World Tour 1970 18 Top tier tournament finals in a row Stands alone
ATP World Tour 1970 15 straight finals reached in a season (2015) Stands alone
ATP Masters 1000 1970 30 titles overall Stands alone
ATP Masters 1000 1970 22 hardcourt Masters titles Stands alone
ATP Masters 1000 1970 8 different titles[d] Stands alone
ATP Masters 1000 1970 6 titles won in a single season (2015) Stands alone
ATP Masters 1000 1970 83% career Masters match winning percentage Stands alone

Wikipedia is so awesome ;)

- Rafa leads 9 to 4 in the slams meetings What is this ? o_Oo_Oo_O
You Rafa fans turn and twist results so you could get to point where Rafa has some advantage, but it means nothing. Because Rafa's Career record 804–172 (82.38% in Grand Slam and ATP World Tour main draw matches, and in Davis Cup) is smaller than Novak's Career record 737–151 (83% in Grand Slam and ATP World Tour main draw matches, and in Davis Cup). Why are only matches between these 3 players important to their legacy when we have H2H ???
 
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zep said:
Well he has been to 27 finals and he did have it easy in the first part of his career but that somewhat gets offset by the second part where he had it really tough. But yes compared to Nadal he had it easy overall. But he is well ahead of both Nadal and Djokovic (17 > 14/12) so I will still have him over them.
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He had 4 easy years to collect 12 slams. Give Nole 4 easy years and he would have over 20, Nadal would flourish even with injuries - over 20.
 
RF20Lennon

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Nadal as of now but barely. Because there is still a 2 slam difference. Once Novak closes that gap he'll easily better. He has everything. More weeks at #1, more masters, more WTF's, even the precious H2H, 4 slams in a row. But the slam gap needs to close first.
 
nadalfan2013

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OhYes said:
And stuff like

- Rafa leads 9 to 4 in the slams meetings What is this ? o_Oo_Oo_O
You Rafa fans turn and twist results so you could get to point where Rafa has some advantage, but it means nothing. Because Rafa's Career record 804–172 (82.38% in Grand Slam and ATP World Tour main draw matches, and in Davis Cup) is smaller than Novak's Career record 737–151 (83% in Grand Slam and ATP World Tour main draw matches, and in Davis Cup). Why are only matches between these 3 players important to their legacy when we have H2H ???
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LOL. Novak is starting to decline, those % you are talking about (a tiny 0.6% difference :rolleyes: ) will disappear and become to Rafa's advantage in no time. It will go down for Nole from now on, while for Rafa it has mostly already gone down.

Nobody cares about the rest of your post, my stats destroy yours.
 
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OhYes

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nadalfan2013 said:
LOL. Novak is starting to decline, those % you are talking about (a tiny 0.6% difference :rolleyes: ) will disappear and become to Rafa's advantage in no time. It will go down for Nole from now on, while for Rafa it has mostly already gone down.

Nobody cares about the rest of your post, my stats destroy yours.
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It's Wikipedia as well as yours stats. You should care.
Funny thing that Djokovic is declining while Rafa is not. :D
 
nadalfan2013

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OhYes said:
It's Wikipedia as well as yours stats. You should care.
Funny thing that Djokovic is declining while Rafa is not. :D
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Wimbledon - 4th round
Olympics - 1st round
US Open - Final (by taking advantage of 3 injured opponents)

The decline is real. Rafa has had injuries and a lot of time off ever since the FO 2014. As soon as he gets lucky with his health, he will win again. Nole has no excuse, it's a true decline. The end is near.
 
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OhYes

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nadalfan2013 said:
Wimbledon - 4th round
Olympics - 1st round
US Open - Final (by taking advantage of 3 injured opponents)

The decline is real. Rafa has had injuries and a lot of time off ever since the FO 2014. As soon as he gets lucky with his health, he will win again. Nole has no excuse, it's a true decline. The end is near.
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Yeah right. Post injury Novak has beaten Tsonga fair and square, Tsonga decided to retire for no good reason. Monfils got beaten good, and Novak was very competitive until last set against Wawrinka. Some decline.
 
Tennisanity

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Because Nadal has 2 more slams, Nadal still has the edge. Slams are most important. BUT!!! Nadal fans MUST say Djokovic because Djokovic leads the H2H which is the holy grail for Nadal fans. You can't go back on your fanboyism now!
 
Tenisfan3

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Even as a big Djokovic admirer, I must say Nadal. As I've told sister @RF-18 many times, Nadal is the superior player and we as Djokovic fans must accept it.
 
InsideOut900

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nadalfan2013 said:
The slams is all that matters:

- Rafa leads 14 to 12 in the slams
- Rafa leads 9 to 4 in the slams meetings
- Rafa leads a strong 14-6 to a weak 12-9 record in slam finals

The next thing that matters are the iconic Olympics & Davis Cup:

- Rafa leads Gold (2x) to Bronze (1x) in the Olympics
- Rafa leads 4 to 1 in Davis Cup titles

My God, it's not even close. LOL

Add stuff like
- Most titles in any grandslam (9 FO), in any masters 1000 (9 Monte Carlo) and in any Atp 500 (9 Barcelona)
- Clearly the greatest clay court player of all time (Novak is not the clear greatest on any surface)
- Most consecutive years with a slam win (10!)
- Winning at least 2 slams on each surface (which Novak has not)
- Winning a slam on hardcourt, grass and clay in the same year (the true best in a calendar year)
- Sweep king: "hardcourt summer sweep", "clay court sweep", "grass sweep" proving domination
- An 25-8 slam record vs the other members of the Big Four (Federer, Djokovic and Murray)
- More career titles
etc.

Please don't embarrass yourself again.
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How exactly do you fail to mention really important stuff like FIVE World Tour Finals,weeks at #1,Year End #1,4 in a row,which carry a lot of weight in the grand scheme?

Instead you mention OG which became relevant less than 10 years ago,Davis Cup(team competition,irrelevant for singles acheivements).
Also all those artificial streaks which only say 1 thing: Nadal was dominant on clay.
Yeah,I get it,but concentrated dominance and versatility are equally important,so Nadal is not greater just because of 9 FO or all sort of "clean sweeps".

To the topic,he is slightly ahead for now,but Djokovic will be at least tied if he gets to 13,maybe even ahead.
 
nadalfan2013

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OhYes said:
Yeah right. Post injury Novak has beaten Tsonga fair and square, Tsonga decided to retire for no good reason. Monfils got beaten good, and Novak was very competitive until last set against Wawrinka. Some decline.
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Novak's level was horrible throughout the tournament and only made it that far because of his opponents being injured. Tsonga withdrew from Davis Cup due to injury so yeah he was really injured. Monfils too, he currently has a knee injury and withdrew from Davis cup too. Then Novak met his first real healthy opponent Wawrinka and fails. Lol
 
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IMG_6461.jpg

Here were the highlights of Federer's career posted on ESPN during the US open. As you can all see nobody cares about the Tour finals, they are not as big and historic as the Olympics and Davis cup where Rafa as a clear edge over Djokovic, in addition to the slams.
 
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