What is medically wrong with Novak's elbow ?

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
Is it a form of tennis elbow?


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/26/...ic-out-for-the-season-with-injured-elbow.html

For 18 months Novak Djokovic played through a right elbow injury until the pain forced him out of his quarterfinal match at Wimbledon two weeks ago. Now, because of the injury, Djokovic will miss a Grand Slam tournament for the first time since he began competing in them in 2005.

Djokovic, the winner of 12 major tournaments, announced Wednesday at a news conference in Belgrade, Serbia, that he will skip the United States Open and the rest of the 2017 season to rest his sore elbow.

“All the doctors I’ve consulted, and all the specialists I have visited in Serbia and all over the world, have agreed that this injury requires rest,” Djokovic said. “A prolonged break from the sport is inevitable. I’ll do whatever it takes to recover.”

Djokovic has been hindered by a bruised bone in his elbow from excessive playing, one of his physicians, Zdenko Milinkovic, said in an interview in Serbia on Tuesday. Djokovic, 30, said at Wimbledon that the elbow had bothered him to varying degrees over the past year and a half, which may be the simplest explanation for his slide from the dominant perch he previously occupied in men’s tennis.​
 

Jonas78

Legend
He really needed to take this action a year ago, but he was on a French win high presumably and needed time to face reality.
Yeah i read he has played every tourney on medication sinse late 2015, thats not good. He should probably have taken time off after FO16, but i guess he loves to play...
 
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Sirius Black

Guest
Isn't 'tennis elbow' another way of describing tendinitis? It's not what Djokovic has.

Tennis elbow is lateral epicondylitis -- inflammation of the extensor tendons that insert (or originate, not 100 percent sure. No, pretty sure originate, but that's inconsequential) on the lateral epicondyle of the humerus.

Usually -itis refers to acute inflammation, whereas -osis or -opathy refers to a general problem that is not necessarily acute
 

Eggshen

New User
Poly did him in. He's switching to full natural gut, hiring Rafter as his coach, stopping his boring clogger tennis, and playing serve/volley starting in 2018. True story. They did an interview with that Shaman guy who runs the cult he belongs to and he confirmed it.
 

every7

Hall of Fame
Unfortunately as part of Becker coaching relationship, Becker coached Djokovic on how to have the same elbows.

Unusual impact but probably related to Becker, who has elbow buildups (quite normal and can be treated).

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JRAJ1988

Guest
Golfer's Elbow has done me in on both arms when I try to play.

I don't even play golf for heaven sakes.
 

racquetreligion

Hall of Fame
Golfer's Elbow has done me in on both arms when I try to play.

I don't even play golf for heaven sakes.


Please enlighten me on this condition as I laughed at an old retired bionic knee hobbling GP when he said "golfers suffer more
torque and strain at the knees than do tennis players" I replied thats the reason I dont hit double backhands because you
wouldnt have any knees left after a few games vs anyone who emulated Nadal's main FH target.
 
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Sirius Black

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Please enlighten me on this condition as I laughed at an old retired bionic knee hobbling GP when he said "golfers suffer more
torque and strain at the knees than do tennis players" I replied thats the reason I dont hit double backhands because you
wouldnt have any knees left after a few games vs anyone who emulated Nadal's main FH target.

Golfer's elbow is just medial epicondylitis. Wikipedia exists
 

racquetreligion

Hall of Fame
It was a sarcasm as most Golfer's elbow sufferers dont acquire it through golf.
The only possible injury Golf can give you is being struck by lightning during a thunderstorm
or being hit by a golf ball as far as Im concerned.
 

Slicerman

Professional
I haven't heard of a "bruised bone" until this week. But from what I've read, its a bone injury that is the stage before a bone fracture.
 
This doesn't make sense to me - Elbow issues from tennis are tendon, nerve, or muscle aren't they? How could you even bruise your bone - did he fall on it or something?
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
This doesn't make sense to me - Elbow issues from tennis are tendon, nerve, or muscle aren't they? How could you even bruise your bone - did he fall on it or something?
Agree. And a year and a half? No way. This is mental - because of what went down in London last summer. Next January will be very interesting.
 

TnsGuru

Professional
Unfortunately as part of Becker coaching relationship, Becker coached Djokovic on how to have the same elbows.

Unusual impact but probably related to Becker, who has elbow buildups (quite normal and can be treated).

PAY-boris-becker-main.jpg
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Gout maybe? Lots of pics on google show the same protrusion coming from the elbows.
 
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Fedinkum

Legend
Unfortunately as part of Becker coaching relationship, Becker coached Djokovic on how to have the same elbows.

Unusual impact but probably related to Becker, who has elbow buildups (quite normal and can be treated).

PAY-boris-becker-main.jpg
That is not even his playing elbow...I wonder if that is due to his many dive and rolls (even on indoor carpet) during his younger years...
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
Is that from experience?
My Swede has been very clear on that front, not that I ever would..
That was a Tiger Woods/Elin joke. But we Americans get sick of hearing Euros scold us for being too rigid - then a Euro gets cheated on and goes Happy Gilmore on his head with a golf club. Maybe SWE doesn't share the sentiments with ITA, FRA, etc.
 

every7

Hall of Fame
what-pseudogout.jpg

Gout maybe? Lots of pics on google show the same protrusion coming from the elbows.

I wonder whether there is discomfort from it? Gout I think has some mild discomfort for some people.

That is not even his playing elbow...I wonder if that is due to his many dive and rolls (even on indoor carpet) during his younger years...

Yes it's quite intriguing. Becker has it on both elbows and of course he only ever played single handed on FH and BH so may be totally unrelated to playing and could be training problems or congenital.

One day Djokovic may have the same issues but preventative medicine has advanced greatly.
 

every7

Hall of Fame
Djok and murray dont have high pain thresholds. The first to let you know their hurt, when its not nearly as bad as they make it out to be

I know this will sound odd the way I say this, but I think they do have extremely high pain thresholds in terms of training and pushing their body, and they have very acute sensitivities, and are piqued dramatically to very slight changes in their body even more than other elite athletes.

It's not hypochondria, but just a concern about any changes in their body, and how reliant their games are on movement maybe?

The weirdest thing is that despite their demonstrative behaviours on court, both have played longer through an injury than they should have (in Djokovic's case: elbow; Murray: back).
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
Isn't 'tennis elbow' another way of describing tendinitis? It's not what Djokovic has.

The NYT article was vague on the nature of the injury. Said it was due to "excessive playing" and was developing over the last 2 years. I have not followed the latest news on his injury and pro players tend to be secretive about injuries but it would be interesting if a pro player had developed TE. The club players I've seen with TE sometimes takes 1+ years to recover so this could be career ending. Or he could recover in a few months. There is great variation.

Tennis elbow (TE or lateral epicondylitis) is also, commonly, an overuse injury. Although it is termed an "-itis" there is often no evidence of inflammation.

No Real Evidence Of Inflammation In Tennis Elbow
Medical researches first started finding evidence decades ago that the original persistent or Chronic inflammation / “Tendonitis” theory on Tennis Elbow was incorrect.

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It's time to stop chasing inflammation

What Exactly IS Tennis Elbow, Anyway?

(And this goes for most other tendon problems, generally known as ‘Tendinopathies,’ as well.)

Since that time, it’s been conclusively proven that the vast majority of Tennis Elbow cases do not involve any significant inflammation (especially long-term/chronic cases)...

And therefore should not be classified as TendonITIS, EpicondylITIS – Or anything ending with “ITIS” that would suggest an inflammatory condition.​
 
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