Good to hear I was right on this. Played both the oehms and the head leather calfskin and the oehms was nowhere near the head according to my feeling.
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Paulo Braz
Semi-Pro
I felt powerless in the K7 Red. Power only managed by applying a quick and long swing. Different from tc95. I think K7 Lime will allow you to lower the lbs of the strings to gain power without losing control.
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haqq777
Legend
Ugh, no. I hate XP. Never liked it and I have tried it a few times too. Too stiff, sometimes brassy, and uncomfortable for my taste. This one I have in is Hyper-G 17. I have a set of BK that I have been meaning to string up but haven't gotten a chance yet. You've hit with V3 TC97 18x20. What tension would you recommend? I strung up Hyper-G at 48 lbs and I usually string at 45 lbs (to tame the liveliness).
Faris
Professional
Glad to see you strung it up right this time, lolzSwitched out my leather grip today and went back to Angell synthetic for a little bit. Had been feeling a little ginger in the wrist area. I had a case of wrist tendonitis couple of years back and I always feel a little bit better switching to softer replacement grips and going down static weight every now and then. When I feel 100% I switch back to leather + OG, my favorite setup.
My static weight is down to exactly 335g now (with Lux Elite OG and a dampener).
I don't anticipate any less stability as TC97 is one stable stick with a very consistent repsonse. I didn't add any weight to tail so balance will become a couple points or so more even. Will see how the racquet plays. It is easy to tail weight regardless so not worried about that.
I love leather + OG so I am not expecting to be wowed. But we will see. Best thing about all this is you can customize and adjust to what you want/need.
. I remember last time you had strung it up wrong when you first got ur racquet and had to cut out strings, right?
haqq777
Legend
Yes, lol. I had the team stringer do it ever since that mess of a job I didGlad to see you strung it up right this time, lolz
- it should have had one skip on bottom and two up top. Clearly I thought otherwise and ended up with this
Just look at last three cross string spacing. Glorious!
topspn
Legend
Yeah, the green looks darker in the pic for some reason so was surprised that you’d go for a stiffer string but hyper-g makes sense. I have good news for you, BK is more comfortable then hyper-g and doesn’t play with that liveliness. You should be able to go down to 46lbs. I play the 1.28 on my TC95s 16x19 @48lbs
recsoares
Rookie
Switched out my leather grip today and went back to Angell synthetic for a little bit. Had been feeling a little ginger in the wrist area. I had a case of wrist tendonitis couple of years back and I always feel a little bit better switching to softer replacement grips and going down static weight every now and then. When I feel 100% I switch back to leather + OG, my favorite setup.
My static weight is down to exactly 335g now (with Lux Elite OG and a dampener).
I don't anticipate any less stability as TC97 is one stable stick with a very consistent repsonse. I didn't add any weight to tail so balance will become a couple points or so more even. Will see how the racquet plays. It is easy to tail weight regardless so not worried about that.
I love leather + OG so I am not expecting to be wowed. But we will see. Best thing about all this is you can customize and adjust to what you want/need.
Great weight for me too.
Wich are your stock specs for tc97?
310grs,9pts?
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haqq777
Legend
Yes, indeed. Stock is 310g at 9 point HL. I do add 2 grams at 12 for additional power/plow since I am accustomed to higher swing weight. Have no complaints
haqq777
Legend
Nice! Next up will try the BK at 45 or 46 lbs then. Any direct comparisons you can offer vis-a-vis RS Lyon? I have a few sets of those staring at me right now as well.
recsoares
Rookie
Yes, indeed. Stock is 310g at 9 point HL. I do add 2 grams at 12 for additional power/plow since I am accustomed to higher swing weight. Have no complaints
I’m tempted to go on a 300grs/7pts HL 18x20 stock in order to get an overall 325/330grs with strings+replace for a leather grip+overgrip and dampener, for a SW about 320.
I will only add weight on handle due to my past arm/shoulder issues in order o get it more manuverable.
I think it will work fine!
My only concern is...stability...
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haqq777
Legend
These TC97 are plenty stable in my experience. I have never had to worry about that factor even when going down in static weight. Zero twisting etc on off center hits. I will give feedback here once I hit tonight as well but I have played with this racquet like this (even lower at 333 grams stock) before, and I have never had stability issues. I usually hit with Division II college players so decent, heavy balls. Your 300 gram, 7 HL will come to your desired specs with leather grip and OG plus dampener. I don't see any issues, really.
Username_
Hall of Fame
TC97the most stable racket in the Angell line up. It is also the most softest one on your arm.
No need to worry.
Paulo Braz
Semi-Pro
I agree. Tc 97 is more stable than tc95 and K7 in stock mode
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Gee
Hall of Fame
To me the TC95 63RA 18x20 feels definitely softer than the TC97 18x20.
Paulo Braz
Semi-Pro
Gee
Hall of Fame
I only hit with the TC95 16x19 once but I noticed that I was able to hit low approach shots a bit easier than with the 18x20. With the 18x20 I have a more connected feel and more precision but I need to exaggerate my swings when I want to hit strokes like a running lob, a very low approach shot and slice/kick service.
Paulo Braz
Semi-Pro
Gee
Hall of Fame
Sorry I still didn't hit with my K7 Lime as my mates are too busy this first week of the year.
matchpoint9
Rookie
Please enlighten me, what is BK? Thanks!
topspn
Legend
Black Night is the string I was referencing. It’s produced by tier one.
haqq777
Legend
My TC97’s about 329g strung, great stability and plow. I really noticed the Difference in the K7 red at similar weight it just could not cope the same from back of the court against heavy deep groundstrokes, needed weight and plenty of it. was a scalpel at the net tho.
haqq777
Legend
Yes, I completely agree. I had the same experience with my K7 Red. I got rid of mine in a week, sold here on TW classified. In retrospect, perhaps not a fair shake but I did not gel with it for a bit even after seeking advice here and tinkering with weight adding lead at various places. It lacked authority from back of the court and I just could not dictate play with that racquet. No such issue with my TC97s.
On most of his models, Paul offers 27.25 and 27.5. Anyone use one of these racquets at 27.25? Seems like it would offer so little in terms of noticeable characteristics from that of a standard 27-inch racquet compared to what a 27.5-inch racquet would play like. Thoughts?
t_pac
Semi-Pro
Hit with my K7 Lime tonight, have to say, wasn't blown away by it.
Launch angle was lower for sure, I was netting quite a few balls which is rare for me. Maybe a little more control and a little less spin? Need more testing but it certainly won't be replacing my Reds as my main stick just yet.
May take it back to stock and see how it plays then.
Launch angle was lower for sure, I was netting quite a few balls which is rare for me. Maybe a little more control and a little less spin? Need more testing but it certainly won't be replacing my Reds as my main stick just yet.
May take it back to stock and see how it plays then.
Paulo Braz
Semi-Pro
Power level, feel and comfort equal to the K7 Red?
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Paulo Braz
Semi-Pro
recsoares
Rookie
I played last year with a TC100 27.25”.
I couldn’t compared it with the standard 27” but in this particular frame I can assure you great serves.
Lots of power,but I personally struggled with control.
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MilanA
Rookie
Btw...does someone own a tx95 and a tc100? What's rhe actual size difference? Can someone post a picture with the heads overlapping? I'm currently struggling with thought off changing from tc100+ to tc95 standard length. Or should I just shorten my current frame? The biggest concern for me is the head size. Power not so much, because I need a bit less...especially on my ohbh. Any thoughts?
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Sounds like the usual toss up between 18x20 and 16x19. I didn’t find the k7 red the spiniest 16x19 and found it had a fairly low launch angle which I liked, so I suspect the lime could hit pretty flat with the more closed pattern unless your really brushing up on the ball. I don’t think there’s anything for me on the K7 line that’s going to keep me away from TC97 patterns. maybe it’s the foam filled element with the TC series they just play solid.
There never looks much in it when you put the angells on top of each other, but you can tell the difference in manouverability. Think the tc100 is marginally wider beam too. These small margins do make a difference though. As an example it always shocks me how much extra SW is added by half an inch in length.
rlau
Hall of Fame
The main difference is in the lower part of the hoop, the TC100 being more elongated.
topspn
Legend
If you lay both against each other then you will see a difference in width and length. It is small but you can see it
rlau
Hall of Fame
The difference in length is better noticeable than the difference in width.
MilanA
Rookie
Than it's gonna be ok...if I tend to hit with the frame...I hit with the sides....so if it's not much narrower than it should be fine [emoji23]
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topspn
Legend
Yes agree, but you can see a slight difference in width.
matchpoint9
Rookie
Played with my K7 Lime last night. Launch angle is pretty low, slightly lower than my Ultra Tour. I think the Lime is a good doubles stick but in stock form it’s not as solid as my leaded UT. Both frames weigh about the same currently (I think); the difference is I can feel almost every ounce of the UT while the Lime feels light and very maneuverable. I’ll be adding some weight to it tonight and see how it plays. I’m targeting around 355g, which is heavier than anything I’ve ever played with, but considering how light and comfortable it feels, I think my arm can handle it.
I had the UT for a few months to check out when it first came out, was a solid frame, low powered, didn’t like the lower sweet spot, pretty much enjoyed everything else. Still have a head youtek prestige MP 18x20 320g frame in my bag. Only racquet that I’ve found to match it’s loveliness in the 18x20 is the TC97.
You must have sharp teeth and a crazy digestive system.
Ahahah damn Swype
Yes both better, both don’t need weight. UT needs weight and as I mentioned sweet spot is lower and just seemed a little strange, I suppose that’s something you’d get used to if you switched to it long term.
Paulo Braz
Semi-Pro
With added lead at 3 and 9 o'clock will leave the racket much more solid. I'm waiting for the new review.
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808
Professional
I'm playing the V3 TC100 in 27.5" length. In fact I switched from standard length V3 TC100's (and V2 before them) to the extended versions late last year. But I do have a history with extended length sticks – the last frame I really committed to was the TC97 27.5" and I used to use extended Prestige MP's and even the TC90 before that – and feel right at home with them.
I did not notice any real difference between the V2 and V3 versions besides the paint job. Maybe the V3 feels a touch more refined, but that may be my mind playing tricks (shiny new paint etc). Fact is, you can get both the V2 and the V3 at the same exact specs (including swing weight), if you ask. I did. My current rackets are of the 310g / 6ptsHL (balance in mm doesn't work for extended frames when ordering through the Angell website) variety, swing weight is about 310 unstrung. I use a full bed of Babolat RPM Blast Rough 1.25 at 21/20 kg.
Compared to a standard length TC100 I vastly prefer the extended one. My ground strokes are a good bit more consistent as is my serve and I can play more aggressive angles. I do not have any problems with manoeuvrability or racquet head speed, but as I said I'm used to using extended length frames and just feel more comfortable with them. One thing I'm noticing is that I'm, more or less unconsciously, constantly adjusting my contact point on the handle – from choking up to way down right on the butt cap – depending on the ball I want to hit, something which I do not tend to do on standard length rackets where I'm basically way down on the handle all the time.
I play a one handed backhand by the way. Common wisdom on TTW seems to be that you can't use an extended racket as a one hander. Don't let that fool you. Just ask Richard.
Paulo Braz
Semi-Pro
I'm also a user of extended length frames, did extend myself my beloved Bab PSLtd, at 355g and 335SW those things just crushed the ball...sadly my shoulder can't handle that weight anymore. Now with the V3 95 27.5" I have the same amount of power in a more manageable package, with plenty of room for customization. The one hander is my best shot, and with that extra length it really shines, of course you're trading some maneuverability, on really fast courts I struggle setting it up and have to make some adjustments, but on clay it's unnoticeable.
If you can handle the extra swingweight, and you're not Fabrice Santoro, extended frames do have many benefits on control oriented frames.
Gee
Hall of Fame
Finally I played with my K7 Lime this afternoon!
I added 4 grams of lead at 3 an 9 after I replaced the original grip with Babolat leather. The total weight is 342 grams. Still a lot lighter than my my TC95 63RA 18x20 (352 grams 31.2 cm HL). So I'll take that into account with this review.
First I hit some serves as I was too early on the court for my appointment. During the first 10 serves I noticed the lack of power due to the lighter frame but after I started to warm up the K7 came to live as my services were getting better and better. Nice soft comfortable feel with control that is on par with my TC95.
After one half an hour my hitting partner arrived we started to play rallies. First I was hitting against the wind that made it tough to hit clean and powerful strokes but after a while the wind ceased I was able to hit into the sweetspot often that felt very comfortable as I expected. I would say a bit more muted feel with a little bigger sweetspot than my TC95.
I also noticed the K7 played a bit easier because of the more maneuverable swingweight. Especially when I was under pressure I was able to hit some great passing shots just in time.
Volleys felt very nice as well (though not as stable as my much heavier TC95 of course). Directional control is excellent as well like you may expect from the 18x20 stringbed.
Unfortunately the grip size 3 with Babolat leather and Yonex SG felt too small that made some shots feel unstable like volleys and hard incoming balls. I'll consider to order grip pallets size 4 if possible.
So on the whole the K7 Lime made a very positive impression to me. It only still needs more weight in order to increase power and stability.
I added 4 grams of lead at 3 an 9 after I replaced the original grip with Babolat leather. The total weight is 342 grams. Still a lot lighter than my my TC95 63RA 18x20 (352 grams 31.2 cm HL). So I'll take that into account with this review.
First I hit some serves as I was too early on the court for my appointment. During the first 10 serves I noticed the lack of power due to the lighter frame but after I started to warm up the K7 came to live as my services were getting better and better. Nice soft comfortable feel with control that is on par with my TC95.
After one half an hour my hitting partner arrived we started to play rallies. First I was hitting against the wind that made it tough to hit clean and powerful strokes but after a while the wind ceased I was able to hit into the sweetspot often that felt very comfortable as I expected. I would say a bit more muted feel with a little bigger sweetspot than my TC95.
I also noticed the K7 played a bit easier because of the more maneuverable swingweight. Especially when I was under pressure I was able to hit some great passing shots just in time.
Volleys felt very nice as well (though not as stable as my much heavier TC95 of course). Directional control is excellent as well like you may expect from the 18x20 stringbed.
Unfortunately the grip size 3 with Babolat leather and Yonex SG felt too small that made some shots feel unstable like volleys and hard incoming balls. I'll consider to order grip pallets size 4 if possible.
So on the whole the K7 Lime made a very positive impression to me. It only still needs more weight in order to increase power and stability.
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