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Toby14 said:
Dear Angell users, I just posted this in a separate thread:

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/angell-tc95-prince-textreme-tour-95.639935/

I need some help here, so please chime in with any feedback.

A little background: I am mostly a baseline player hitting hard from both wings, mode top spin game. My best shot is perhaps my 2HBH. I have been playing with Prince POGOS 107 for the longest time and like that racquet a lot, but I can't seem to get it to work on my serves. Changed to Prince Textreme Tour 100P (2015) and played with that racquet for the last year or so, but I am lacking some stability against hard hitters and at the net. Also played the TT95, and that racquet has the stability and control but I think I am missing some power. I have been on a quest to find a new racquet and have recently acquired an Angel TC100 v3 16x19, 310/315 RA63, and have started to really gel into this racquet, like it a lot, very stable (missing on the TT100P) and powerful, but perhaps too powerful for me.

I have a history of TE so I always chose arm friendly racquets, I have demoed the Prince Phantom line (100, P100P and 93P) but I dont seem to like the Phantoms. Recently demoed the Clash Tour and did not like that racquet at all.

Yesterday I played together with a strong 5.0 player, just a hitting session using my Angell TC100. In the beginning all was fine, great hitting and my backhand really shines with the TC100, but my forehand shots would sometimes fly on me. I generally play against 5.0 players and the free power of the TC100 is great, but they can handle the power at that level, so perhaps control is more important. After about 40 min (I could be a little tired as rallies were long and intense) suddenly I kind of lost control with the TC100 and balls would start to fly and my errors went up a lot. I my bag I had a POGOS, TT100P and a TT95. I too the TT95 out and WOW, suddenly everything clicked and I was on top of my game. I suddenly had all the directional control I wanted, and started to move my opponent around. Power is kind of lower compared to the TC100, but I was hitting with more confident in my shots and could go for more, so I guess the power in real life was about the same. My opponent said: what happened, you suddenly upped your game.

This made me think, I have always chosen racquet that was kind of powerful (POGOS, TT100P and TC100) but perhaps I have been looking in the wrong direction as I can create power by myself.

So my question is to you honored TT members: Would a TC95 (16x19 or perhaps 18x20, 310/315 63RA) be what I am looking for. For any of you who have played both (TT95 and TC95), could you compare feel, softness, power, control and stability. If anyone played the new TT95 (2019) that could be interesting too. I am torn between getting another TT95 (2015) before they run out or go for an Angell TC95 v3

Any help will be very appreciated.

Cheers, Toby
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TC95 will give you more control and precision. Power is on tap, however you need to unlock it with good mechanics which sounds like you have. In other words, its not tweener power were you can just arm the ball and get power. I personally use full poly of at least 16g for a match to the open pattern. I have 3 TC95s all matched at order spec of 320g/10HL. They weight in total 344g with 2g i add to 1-2 and 10-11. Very stable, can’t get pushed back, beautiful volley stick, great serving and very versatile trajectory. It is a very special frame
 
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Carreau said:
TC95 might be an option. I have both TC100 310g and TC95 320g (16x19) and currently trying to figure out which one I like more. :) TC95 is more demanding, a bit lower launch angle. TC100 is more solid, stable and forgiving. And both are very consistent.

I would suggest you to take a soft but control oriented string and try it in TC100 (Silverstring, SPPP, Black Code), it should tame the power. I'm afraid that TC95 310/315 might be too light and not stable without a lead?
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Thanks @Carreau unfortunately I'm am not a poly user due to history of TE, but since I am playing with gut / multi setup I might try out a low powered multi on the TC100 and see how it goes.

The TT95 is 320g unstrung and balance 305, so I makes sense to order the TC95 at the same spec as I dont like to fiddle around with lead. Do you use your TC95 in stock form ?
 
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Username_ said:
TC95 16x19 launch angle is much, much higher than the TT95. If you opt for TC95, choose the 18x20. The TT95 launch angle is nowhere near as high as the TC95 16x19. It is comparable to a Pure Aero and is not something you'd want for your style of play.

Power --> TC95
Control --> TT95
Comfort --> TT95, not by much. Almost negligible difference in stock form. (needed lead at the sides on TC95 to make it feel more significantly comfortable for the TC95, but off-centre hits on the TT95 weren't still as bad as the TC95 in stock form)
Stability --> TT95

At the same SW, TC95 has more power.
In stock form, TC95 has less stability. I needed lead at 3 and 9 for it to be playable to my liking. The TT95 I did not.
The TC95 swings faster, and easier than the TT95 at the same specs.

Power isn't something you need according to your description provided. Forget the 16x19 TC95.
Either opt for the 18x20 TC95 or stick with the TT95 from your choices provided.


Side note: The TC97 swings more similarly compared to the TT95 in terms of ease of swing i.e able to get the racquet head around faster at similar specs.
TC95 swings faster than TT95, whereas the TC97 swings a bit slower, and is more comparable to the TT95. i.e TC97 would feel more similar if you were to swing the two side by side. It also has a more similar launch angle without having to adjust your swing as much as using a TC95.
I don't know if you've used the TC97 or not but if you have then I guess you can ignore this entire section seeing as it's not part of your options.
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thanks @Username_ for such a detailed answer. I guess two more options for me TC95 in 18x20 and a TC97 18x20 - too many good options from Angell. I never considered the TC97 as some have complained about a dead spot and strange flex. Is the TC97 still arm friendly with a flex of 66 ? How is the TC95 18x20 in stock form, is it more solid than the 16x19 version as I dont like to fiddle around with lead. Thanks.

Cheers, Toby
 
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ChrisG said:
As a user of TC95 16x19 300g I can really understand what you’ve experienced. Coming from 100sq powerful racquets, playing with the TC95 was kind of a revelation. I strongly believe that no matter your level, control is way more important than power. And it’s easier to get both by achieving control first.

Powerful racquet should only be in your bag for backup, for those days when you’re not on top form.

Now that I’ve sorted this I need to try heavier racquets
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I had the TC100 matched my TT100P in spec so I could compare. I like the spec around 330g / 320 balance strung and with OG - the TC100 is much more stable, and I kind of like everything about the racquet, except that balls sometimes fly from my forehand, no such thing with the TT100P.

Ideal racquet would be a TC100 with much more control - not sure if that exist.

My TT95 is 335g / 315 balance Strung (320/305 unstrung) so perhaps I should match a TC95 to that spec instead of 310/315 of my TC100

Boy so many variables, thanks for chiming in.
 
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Prince TT95 is a solid frame, has excellent control from the 16x19 pattern, felt stiffer than the 60RA it claims. I especially enjoyed the control and plough. Serving wasn’t the greatest for me though both spin and pace were down, I also felt I had to play full throttle tennis with it, which gets harder to do approaching 50.
Unfortunately most of us have to find a compromise between power and control, and I think the TC95,97,100 do a pretty good job.
 
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TC95 will give you more control and precision. Power is on tap, however you need to unlock it with good mechanics which sounds like you have. In other words, its not tweener power were you can just arm the ball and get power. I personally use full poly of at least 16g for a match to the open pattern. I have 3 TC95s all matched at order spec of 320g/10HL. They weight in total 344g with 2g i add to 1-2 and 10-11. Very stable, can’t get pushed back, beautiful volley stick, great serving and very versatile trajectory. It is a very special frame
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Thanks @topspn I always look at your post with interest. 344g might be too much for me, do you think the 310/315 version of the TC95 is as stable as the 320/305 version (I guess you can always add lead), my TC100 with 310/315 spec is rock solid. Did you ever play the TC95 in 18x20 version and how is the feel, power and control there.

Cheers, Toby
 
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ed70 said:
Prince TT95 is a solid frame, has excellent control from the 16x19 pattern, felt stiffer than the 60RA it claims. I especially enjoyed the control and plough. Serving wasn’t the greatest for me though both spin and pace were down, I also felt I had to play full throttle tennis with it, which gets harder to do approaching 50.
Unfortunately most of us have to find a compromise between power and control, and I think the TC95,97,100 do a pretty good job.
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Thanks @ed70 - Yes the TT95 is a great frame, but like you said I could do with a little more power when in my mid 50. What is throttle tennis ? sorry I am not native speaking English.

I might just bite the bullet and get a TC95 or perhaps a TC97 and the option 16x19 or 18x20 - it gives me a headache

Cheers, T
 
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Toby14 said:
Thanks @topspn I always look at your post with interest. 344g might be too much for me, do you think the 310/315 version of the TC95 is as stable as the 320/305 version (I guess you can always add lead), my TC100 with 310/315 spec is rock solid. Did you ever play the TC95 in 18x20 version and how is the feel, power and control there.

Cheers, Toby
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Keep in mind the TC95 is more maneuverable then TC100 so it’s not a problem with 320g/10HL spec. However 310g/9HL is also good and stable with a little weight as i described previously. I certainly tried TC95 in 18x20 pattern and it is still that awesome frame. Just as you’d expect there is the compromise of giving up easy rotation and a bit of power from more accuracy precision. While TC95 16x19 is complimented by thicker gauge string, the 18x20 would benefit from 17 or 18 gauge. 16x19 is easier to pick up low balls with and hit approach shots as well as top spin that targets people’s feet as they approach the net. 18x20 has excellent precision while still respectable power and top spin.
 
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Toby14 said:
thanks @Username_ for such a detailed answer. I guess two more options for me TC95 in 18x20 and a TC97 18x20 - too many good options from Angell. I never considered the TC97 as some have complained about a dead spot and strange flex. Is the TC97 still arm friendly with a flex of 66 ? How is the TC95 18x20 in stock form, is it more solid than the 16x19 version as I dont like to fiddle around with lead. Thanks.

Cheers, Toby
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No problem. We'll talk without fiddling around with lead.

How is the TC95 18x20 in stock form, is it more solid than the 16x19 version as I dont like to fiddle around with lead.
TC95 18x20 difference to 16x19 is negligible. It is the same as moving from a Wilson Blade 16x19 --> to a Wilson Blade 18x20. Insignificant.
If you want a feeling of solidness, the TC97 is the way to go with lead. It's miles better in this department than the TC95 without lead tape.
I needed lead tape on my TC95, whereas I did not for the TC97 when it came to making it feel solid.

Is the TC97 still arm friendly with a flex of 66 ?
TC97 is the most most arm-friendly of all the Angell rackets. No contest. Ignore the flex ratings.

I never considered the TC97 as some have complained about a dead spot...
In regards to the dead spot, what people mean here is that the upper hoop of the racquet feels less solid when contacting the ball up top. I emphasize 'feel' as a few users don't add lead and say they are fine with it. Others add lead to "fix" the dead feeling.

In the end, it only "feels" dead. It doesn't mean it will hit such a weaker ball that it will feel so significant to affect the pace of your shots.
If you think about it logically as well, adding lead tape at the top to "fix" the dead spot is just adding more points of swingweight, which translates to potentially hitting a bigger ball off the racket (which doesn't matter in this context because the issue you're asking about is the "dead spot" and you don't need the power since your TT95 you use isn't a racket you would associate with power)
On the other hand, no lead tape there just means hitting less of a bigger ball due to less SW for the sake of argument.
But that's beside the point here. The lead tape at the top of the hoop is what "fixes" the "dead spot" because you have more mass there. In other words, what I'm saying is that the "dead spot" people mention is only just a feeling. Not a game changer.

... and strange flex.
Strange flex - The only thing I can say to make sense of this ambiguous term is that the racket feels different from other Angells. The flex on the TC97 is really just a feeling like any other racquet when you make contact with the ball.
To compare it to your TT95 so it's easier to relate, it feels less stiff. The TT95 is stiffer than it's RA indicates (again why flex rating should be ignored sometimes)
Best way I can describe the TC97 flex is that it feels hollow on contact with the ball, but the ball comes off the stringbed very solidly. In other words, it's a contradicting feeling as hollow rackets would not be associated with feeling solid.
 
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topspn said:
Keep in mind the TC95 is more maneuverable then TC100 so it’s not a problem with 320g/10HL spec. However 310g/9HL is also good and stable with a little weight as i described previously. I certainly tried TC95 in 18x20 pattern and it is still that awesome frame. Just as you’d expect there is the compromise of giving up easy rotation and a bit of power from more accuracy precision. While TC95 16x19 is complimented by thicker gauge string, the 18x20 would benefit from 17 or 18 gauge. 16x19 is easier to pick up low balls with and hit approach shots as well as top spin that targets people’s feet as they approach the net. 18x20 has excellent precision while still respectable power and top spin.
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I like multi strings or gut/multi in thinner more responsive gauges in my TT100P, I dont really break that many strings and in a tight 18x20 pattern strings dont move around as much. I am getting dialed in at an TC95 18x20 310/315 63RA but still looking at the TC97 18x20. Thanks for your advice. Cheers
 
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Toby14 said:
I like multi strings or gut/multi in thinner more responsive gauges in my TT100P, I dont really break that many strings and in a tight 18x20 pattern strings dont move around as much. I am getting dialed in at an TC95 18x20 310/315 63RA but still looking at the TC97 18x20. Thanks for your advice. Cheers
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It sounds then that an 18x20 would suit your style. The difference in flex of TC95 or any other Angell frame for that matter is the uniformity of flex. The TC97 has a very distinct easily recognizable flex in the head since it is designed that way. TC95 feels like a more solid predictable head. TC97 has a plush head flex which gives it a feel of comfort. I hate the head flex in racquets :eek::D Others seem to either get used to it or love it so not sure where you may have preference there. Regarding string, a very good poly to try sometime is black zone which is truly comfortable but superior to any multi by a margin in spin and control. It would also work great as a cross string in a hybrid with it’s slick surface allowing a main to slide and snap back easily.
 
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Username_ said:
No problem. We'll talk without fiddling around with lead.

How is the TC95 18x20 in stock form, is it more solid than the 16x19 version as I dont like to fiddle around with lead.
TC95 18x20 difference to 16x19 is negligible. It is the same as moving from a Wilson Blade 16x19 --> to a Wilson Blade 18x20. Insignificant.
If you want a feeling of solidness, the TC97 is the way to go with lead. It's miles better in this department than the TC95 without lead tape.
I needed lead tape on my TC95, whereas I did not for the TC97 when it came to making it feel solid.

Is the TC97 still arm friendly with a flex of 66 ?
TC97 is the most most arm-friendly of all the Angell racket. No contest. Ignore the flex ratings.

I never considered the TC97 as some have complained about a dead spot...
In regards to the dead spot, what people mean here is that the upper hoop of the racquet feels less solid when contacting the ball up top. I emphasize 'feel' as a few users don't add lead and say they are fine with it. Others add lead to "fix" the dead feeling.

In the end, it only "feels" dead. It doesn't mean it will hit such a weaker ball that it will feel so significant to affect the pace of your shots.
If you think about it logically as well, adding lead tape at the top to "fix" the dead spot is just adding more points of swingweight, which translates to potentially hitting a bigger ball off the racket (which doesn't matter in this context because the issue you're asking about is the "dead spot" and you don't need the power since your TT95 you use isn't a racket you would associate with power)
On the other hand, no lead tape there just means hitting less of a bigger ball due to less SW for the sake of argument.
But that's beside the point here. The lead tape at the top of the hoop is what "fixes" the "dead spot" because you have more mass there. In other words, what I'm saying is that the "dead spot" people mention is only just a feeling. Not a game changer.

... and strange flex.
Strange flex - The only thing I can say to make sense of this ambiguous term is that the racket feels different from other Angells. The flex on the TC97 is really just a feeling like any other racquet when you make contact with the ball.
To compare it to your TT95 so it's easier to relate, it feels less stiff. The TT95 is stiffer than it's RA indicates (again why flex rating should be ignored sometimes)
Best way I can describe the TC97 flex is that it feels hollow on contact with the ball, but the ball comes off the stringbed very solidly. In other words, it's a contradicting feeling as hollow rackets would not be associated with feeling solid.
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Thanks a lot @Username_ for taking the time to help me out, this is such a great community. TC97 sound very interesting to me, now next question is 16x19 or 18x20, I could favor the 18x20 for control, but how do they compare if you have played both. I am only reading and thus can pick up wrong info, but as I read the dead spot is only in the 16x19 version or ? Very interesting and important to me that it has great comfort.

BTW TC97 v3 18x20 out of stock at Angell, guess it is a popular racquet.

Thanks again, Cheers Toby
 
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Toby14 said:
Thanks a lot @Username_ for taking the time to help me out, this is such a great community. TC97 sound very interesting to me, now next question is 16x19 or 18x20, I could favor the 18x20 for control, but how do they compare if you have played both. I am only reading and thus can pick up wrong info, but as I read the dead spot is only in the 16x19 version or ? Very interesting and important to me that it has great comfort.

BTW TC97 v3 18x20 out of stock at Angell, guess it is a popular racquet.

Thanks again, Cheers Toby
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Unfortunately I haven't used the 18x20 version in the TC97 so I can't comment on whether it has the same "dead spot" feeling the 16x19 has.

When it comes to control, the 16x19 TC97 hits an extremely linear ball it was very surprising. For a 16x19 the ball trajectory almost seemed like it came off an 18x20 string pattern.

I would assume the TC97 18x20 would do the same but have an even lower launch angle.

I'm here cuz I got nothing better to do with my life so feel free to ask away, cheers.
 
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topspn said:
It sounds then that an 18x20 would suit your style. The difference in flex of TC95 or any other Angell frame for that matter is the uniformity of flex. The TC97 has a very distinct easily recognizable flex in the head since it is designed that way. TC95 feels like a more solid predictable head. TC97 has a plush head flex which gives it a feel of comfort. I hate the head flex in racquets :eek::D Others seem to either get used to it or love it so not sure where you may have preference there. Regarding string, a very good poly to try sometime is black zone which is truly comfortable but superior to any multi by a margin in spin and control. It would also work great as a cross string in a hybrid with it’s slick surface allowing a main to slide and snap back easily.
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Regarding flex in the head vs more uniform flex, I am not really sure how that feels - too bad you cant demo Angell. I am not a fan of poly, but will try the black zone out, thanks for the suggestion. I will also try to string the TC100 with a thicker and more low powered multi (right now gut / isospeed professional classic 24/25 kg) to see if this will help the control issue with my FH. I really like everything else about the TC100. Thanks again @topspn Cheers, Toby
 
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Username_ said:
Unfortunately I haven't used the 18x20 version in the TC97 so I can't comment on whether it has the same "dead spot" feeling the 16x19 has.

When it comes to control, the 16x19 TC97 hits an extremely linear ball it was very surprising. For a 16x19 the ball trajectory almost seemed like it came off an 18x20 string pattern.

I would assume the TC97 18x20 would do the same but have an even lower launch angle.

I'm here cuz I got nothing better to do with my life so feel free to ask away, cheers.
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This is also a good place to be :) but soon need to get back to work.....

I perhaps need to be more patience, I play really well with the TT95 and I will try some thicker gauges strings on the TC100 to se how that effects the control issues I have with my FH. Soon it is spring and outdoor red clay is waiting :D I generally like more power on my racquets on clay and more control on indoor hard court. So perhaps I need to cool down and see what the clay court season is bringing, perhaps the TC100 with all its power could be excellent here.

Enjoy, and thanks for all your help.
 
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I don’t really notice the head flex now but I’ve been playing the tc97 16x19 since mid 2016, and previously/still play with prestige MP 18x20 as main frame, similar feel, but tc97 has more power.
As username said tc97 has a low launch angle for a 16x19 and has some traits of an 18x20.
Head flex to me is a slight dwell or “give” before the ball trampolines off the string, it’s great for volleying and touch shots.
TC100 arrives tomorrow will see how it compares to tc97 over the weekend.
 
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Toby14 said:
This is also a good place to be :) but soon need to get back to work.....

I perhaps need to be more patience, I play really well with the TT95 and I will try some thicker gauges strings on the TC100 to se how that effects the control issues I have with my FH. Soon it is spring and outdoor red clay is waiting :D I generally like more power on my racquets on clay and more control on indoor hard court. So perhaps I need to cool down and see what the clay court season is bringing, perhaps the TC100 with all its power could be excellent here.

Enjoy, and thanks for all your help.
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In my experience going up thicker gauges don't help that much if you already like a certain gauge in your racquet. That's my bias. But that's easy to test yourself so there's no debating here. Experience is the best teacher.

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ed70 said:
I don’t really notice the head flex now but I’ve been playing the tc97 16x19 since mid 2016, and previously/still play with prestige MP 18x20 as main frame, similar feel, but tc97 has more power.
As username said tc97 has a low launch angle for a 16x19 and has some traits of an 18x20.
Head flex to me is a slight dwell or “give” before the ball trampolines off the string, it’s great for volleying and touch shots.
TC100 arrives tomorrow will see how it compares to tc97 over the weekend.
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Great, I look forward to hear how the two compare.

Did you try the TC95 ?
 
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Toby14 said:
Thanks @Carreau unfortunately I'm am not a poly user due to history of TE, but since I am playing with gut / multi setup I might try out a low powered multi on the TC100 and see how it goes.

The TT95 is 320g unstrung and balance 305, so I makes sense to order the TC95 at the same spec as I dont like to fiddle around with lead. Do you use your TC95 in stock form ?
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I'm experimenting with TC95s. One is in stock form. Another - I have tried 1g+1g at 11 and 1 but it became a bit too powerful for me. I will try try 0.5g+0,5 at 11 and 1.
By the way, after Black Knight have lost its tension (after ~6 hours of play) - it surprisingly provides me with a good balance of power/control, forgiveness and sweet zone increased as well.
 
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Toby14 said:
Regarding flex in the head vs more uniform flex, I am not really sure how that feels - too bad you cant demo Angell. I am not a fan of poly, but will try the black zone out, thanks for the suggestion. I will also try to string the TC100 with a thicker and more low powered multi (right now gut / isospeed professional classic 24/25 kg) to see if this will help the control issue with my FH. I really like everything else about the TC100. Thanks again @topspn Cheers, Toby
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TC100 is a very good stick. Play with strings and I'm sure you will find your setup. :) Try a soft poly in very low tension, for example, Silverstring at 20kg or 21, it will be playable. And I assume that comfort will be good comparing to 25kg with multi? (not sure, I have never tried multi strings, so there is a risk I'm talking nonsenses :) ). In general Silverstring is very comfy.

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And if you really like everything in TC100, be aware that launch angle if different with TC95. For me TC100 launch angle is almost perfect as for serve returns I'm using same grip for forehand and backhand without changing grip. And I need to adjust my grip a bit with TC95, however, it is not a big deal.
 
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Toby14 said:
Great, I look forward to hear how the two compare.

Did you try the TC95 ?
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Yes a couple of years ago bought a V2 direct from Angell SW was too hefty for me was over 330sw. I Mostly played with 95’s in my younger days but there’s really not much in it between the tc 95-100 headsize. most the V3 TC100’s 63ra are about 295sw unstrung so will give it a go, and have a bit of wiggle room for a bit of lead in the head if needs a bit of stability .
 
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Carreau said:
TC100 is a very good stick. Play with strings and I'm sure you will find your setup. :) Try a soft poly in very low tension, for example, Silverstring at 20kg or 21, it will be playable. And I assume that comfort will be good comparing to 25kg with multi? (not sure, I have never tried multi strings, so there is a risk I'm talking nonsenses :) ). In general Silverstring is very comfy.

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And if you really like everything in TC100, be aware that launch angle if different with TC95. For me TC100 launch angle is almost perfect as for serve returns I'm using same grip for forehand and backhand without changing grip. And I need to adjust my grip a bit with TC95, however, it is not a big deal.
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Yeh you have to spend some time with a frame, amazing how much the control improves a month later.
 
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Toby14 said:
Thanks a lot @Username_ for taking the time to help me out, this is such a great community. TC97 sound very interesting to me, now next question is 16x19 or 18x20, I could favor the 18x20 for control, but how do they compare if you have played both. I am only reading and thus can pick up wrong info, but as I read the dead spot is only in the 16x19 version or ? Very interesting and important to me that it has great comfort.

BTW TC97 v3 18x20 out of stock at Angell, guess it is a popular racquet.

Thanks again, Cheers Toby
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If you play lots of top spin go for the 16/19 , the control is insane for 16/19 but if you want more and better precision go for 18/20, i am not Very fan of close pattern but the 18/20 plays great with a Very good feel and power and is Very solid, to understand how the head of tc97 flexes try an old prestige either you like it or not, tc97 is also easier to play with compare to tc95 and more stable
 
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Question for mgr gurus here. I've measured my racquet as follows: 350g strung, 307mm balance, 312 SW. Mgr is calculated: 21.42. What's the best way to tune towards the 21 value? Using saleem's sheet it's seems that closer to the tip you add weight the less you need. Is this is the best way? I've added 4g there and mgr is 21.17 now. But my body feels overloaded a bit with such stick.
 
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Thank you all guys - very much for helping me out.

I realized that I simply cant read, research and think my way to a selection. Every player have different preferences, I realized that when trying the Clash Tour witch I really think was one of the most inconsistent racquets I ever played, but the a lot of praise for that frame too.

I just went ahead and ordered an Angel TC95 16x19 RA63, my reason was the following:

- I wanted a racquet close to the TC100 in feel and playability but with more control.
- I will play with same spec on both racquets in order to make a better comparison.
- I figured out that it is easier to add weight than to remove weight if I ordered one with a heavier spec
- If it does not work for me I have to look in the direction of a TC95 18x20 or a TC97
- I am impatience and wants to figure things out for myself, so I ordered now - Also Brexit could come as a surprise and racquets get more expensive.

I also get from the post that I need to give the racquet more time, the TC100 is certainly growing on me but I am not sure if I can resolve my control issue with my FH

So thank you all for all the good post that has really help me.

I will let you know how it goes when I am dialed in with the TC95

Cheers, Toby
 
Carreau

Carreau

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Playing around with strings, tension, lead. Finished a string job few minutes ago - Hyper G 1.25 this time.
Basically, I need more time. When it is about 21-22 kg, I'm missing power. When I string it lower or add some lead - it is becoming too powerful, not enough control. :)
At this stage I feel that I have more control and I can win more with TC100 because I know exactly what string and what tension I shall use. But I'm not giving up. :happydevil:
 
MilanA

MilanA

Rookie
You string your racquets yourself? I just have today my TC100 to my stringer. Gave him some Pro's Pro string in 1.30 to string it to 25kg. I hope this will tame it down a bit before I cut the racquet down to standard size.

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saleem

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scf said:
Question for mgr gurus here. I've measured my racquet as follows: 350g strung, 307mm balance, 312 SW. Mgr is calculated: 21.42. What's the best way to tune towards the 21 value? Using saleem's sheet it's seems that closer to the tip you add weight the less you need. Is this is the best way? I've added 4g there and mgr is 21.17 now. But my body feels overloaded a bit with such stick.
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remove some from 7" spot
 
Carreau

Carreau

Semi-Pro
Yep, it is my evening relaxation. :) There are things that I like to do myself - stringing, car washing, etc., even if it is time consuming.

Extended length TC100 should be a really powerful one.
 
MilanA

MilanA

Rookie
Carreau said:
Yep, it is my evening relaxation. :) There are things that I like to do myself - stringing, car washing, etc., even if it is time consuming.

Extended length TC100 should be a really powerful one.
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Nice...I'm also thinking of getting a cheap stringing machine and try to learn to string myself.

About extended TC100...it is a power house [emoji23]. I got it because I was allways a bit short on balls and was hitting them with the upper part of the hoop or with the frame. The extended part did help a bit...but now I adjusted my timing and positioning and it's ok now. I'm only having this problem now with my serves...I'm still a bit early and I hit lots of balls with the frame and I have no idea how to correct this [emoji852].

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Toby14 said:
Thank you all guys - very much for helping me out.

I realized that I simply cant read, research and think my way to a selection. Every player have different preferences, I realized that when trying the Clash Tour witch I really think was one of the most inconsistent racquets I ever played, but the a lot of praise for that frame too.

I just went ahead and ordered an Angel TC95 16x19 RA63, my reason was the following:

- I wanted a racquet close to the TC100 in feel and playability but with more control.
- I will play with same spec on both racquets in order to make a better comparison.
- I figured out that it is easier to add weight than to remove weight if I ordered one with a heavier spec
- If it does not work for me I have to look in the direction of a TC95 18x20 or a TC97
- I am impatience and wants to figure things out for myself, so I ordered now - Also Brexit could come as a surprise and racquets get more expensive.

I also get from the post that I need to give the racquet more time, the TC100 is certainly growing on me but I am not sure if I can resolve my control issue with my FH

So thank you all for all the good post that has really help me.

I will let you know how it goes when I am dialed in with the TC95

Cheers, Toby
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Well, I am a little late here, but as I think you made the right move, I will chime in anyway

I loved the TT95. But wanted some more power.

Tried tc95, v1, 16x19, 63 ra, was very impressed, but could not handle a two set match, was getting tired. Then I measured sw and was like 340 (I like 325 +/- 5)

I bought tc95 18x20, sw 325. It is a delicious racquet, but I think it is not that similar to the 16x19 and tt95. I find it hits a much easier ball for your opponent (I play clay and hit more flat). Tc95 16x19 gives MUCH more spin and penetrates more, making it much more difficult for the opponent to attack.

Then I tried tc97 16x19, tc100 70ra and tc100 63 ra, k7 red and k7 lime

I think k7 (red and lime) and tc97 are easier to hit the ball than tc95, bigger sweetspot, very comfortable, more stable... But k7 red I found a bit uncontrollable, k7 lime too much control and not that much power, besides the low launch angle and less spin (easier for the opponent). TC97 (never tried the 18x20) I think has the least amount of power of those. I compare the power of tc97 (325 sw) in my hands with the duel g 310g, one of the most underpowered racquets I tested.

Tc100 I think you can try any setup. It is unpredictable for flat hitters. Lots of spin, offensive power, superb serve, excellent voleys... And lots of balls in the fences, or in doubles alley...

So now I am back to tc95 16x19, but v3, the unstrung sw of 292. And the results are starting to show. It is not the same as the tt95, it has more power, less stability, more spin, almost the same control. It demands you to keep coming back to the baseline or rush to the net, otherwise you will get pushed. But it is fantastic. I think tt95 is easier, but tc95 16x19 63ra v3 is better. The only thing I am struggling is finishing points with the volleys. Sometimes they get a little anemic. Again, tt95 was easier in that department.

And, if you commit to tc95, you won't have to change it in 3 years. It will always be there for you, in angell website. That's why I'm putting effort into the tc95. Besides, Paul is so nice, I like using his racquets...

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ed70

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Yes most of the V3’s are around 295sw unstrung. I guess that’s around 325sw strung with dampener if you use them.
 
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stocchero said:
Well, I am a little late here, but as I think you made the right move, I will chime in anyway

I loved the TT95. But wanted some more power.

Tried tc95, v1, 16x19, 63 ra, was very impressed, but could not handle a two set match, was getting tired. Then I measured sw and was like 340 (I like 325 +/- 5)

I bought tc95 18x20, sw 325. It is a delicious racquet, but I think it is not that similar to the 16x19 and tt95. I find it hits a much easier ball for your opponent (I play clay and hit more flat). Tc95 16x19 gives MUCH more spin and penetrates more, making it much more difficult for the opponent to attack.

Then I tried tc97 16x19, tc100 70ra and tc100 63 ra, k7 red and k7 lime

I think k7 (red and lime) and tc97 are easier to hit the ball than tc95, bigger sweetspot, very comfortable, more stable... But k7 red I found a bit uncontrollable, k7 lime too much control and not that much power, besides the low launch angle and less spin (easier for the opponent). TC97 (never tried the 18x20) I think has the least amount of power of those. I compare the power of tc97 (325 sw) in my hands with the duel g 310g, one of the most underpowered racquets I tested.

Tc100 I think you can try any setup. It is unpredictable for flat hitters. Lots of spin, offensive power, superb serve, excellent voleys... And lots of balls in the fences, or in doubles alley...

So now I am back to tc95 16x19, but v3, the unstrung sw of 292. And the results are starting to show. It is not the same as the tt95, it has more power, less stability, more spin, almost the same control. It demands you to keep coming back to the baseline or rush to the net, otherwise you will get pushed. But it is fantastic. I think tt95 is easier, but tc95 16x19 63ra v3 is better. The only thing I am struggling is finishing points with the volleys. Sometimes they get a little anemic. Again, tt95 was easier in that department.

And, if you commit to tc95, you won't have to change it in 3 years. It will always be there for you, in angell website. That's why I'm putting effort into the tc95. Besides, Paul is so nice, I like using his racquets...

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Thank you @stocchero for such a detailed and great post. I played today with the TT95 witch is my current favorite and with the TC100 on a close 2nd place. After reading your post I simply can't wait to get my hands on the TC95.

I know I need to give the TC100 some more time and try different string setup, but the TT95 is just so sweet (I found the right strings and tension on the TT95) but it is lacking the power of the TC100 - hopefully the TC95 can fill the gab.

I am a baseline player and I hit a very variable ball, sometimes I will go for loopy TS balls, sometimes I hit a lot of flat power shots, sometimes I play with debt sometimes with hard angles - I kind of mix everything up from the baseline. So I need a racquet that is predictable over a racquet with power (I can generate my own power), but of cause I also like flat out power shots when going for winners, and that is kind of lacking with the TT95.

Cheers, Toby
 
Nick777

Nick777

Semi-Pro
Toby14 said:
Thank you @stocchero for such a detailed and great post. I played today with the TT95 witch is my current favorite and with the TC100 on a close 2nd place. After reading your post I simply can't wait to get my hands on the TC95.

I know I need to give the TC100 some more time and try different string setup, but the TT95 is just so sweet (I found the right strings and tension on the TT95) but it is lacking the power of the TC100 - hopefully the TC95 can fill the gab.

I am a baseline player and I hit a very variable ball, sometimes I will go for loopy TS balls, sometimes I hit a lot of flat power shots, sometimes I play with debt sometimes with hard angles - I kind of mix everything up from the baseline. So I need a racquet that is predictable over a racquet with power (I can generate my own power), but of cause I also like flat out power shots when going for winners, and that is kind of lacking with the TT95.

Cheers, Toby
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Have you tried the new TT95? They are saying that is a bit more powerful than the old version
 
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Toby14 said:
Thank you @stocchero for such a detailed and great post. I played today with the TT95 witch is my current favorite and with the TC100 on a close 2nd place. After reading your post I simply can't wait to get my hands on the TC95.

I know I need to give the TC100 some more time and try different string setup, but the TT95 is just so sweet (I found the right strings and tension on the TT95) but it is lacking the power of the TC100 - hopefully the TC95 can fill the gab.

I am a baseline player and I hit a very variable ball, sometimes I will go for loopy TS balls, sometimes I hit a lot of flat power shots, sometimes I play with debt sometimes with hard angles - I kind of mix everything up from the baseline. So I need a racquet that is predictable over a racquet with power (I can generate my own power), but of cause I also like flat out power shots when going for winners, and that is kind of lacking with the TT95.

Cheers, Toby
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You've repeatedly expressed your dislike of lead tape due to it being confusing for you, but the TT95 is clearly your favourite frame, since you're able to get all the directional control you want and go for your shots with confidence, and all you wish it had is more power.

How about just placing just a little bit of lead tape at the top and ignoring the technical details like how much you should add and/or how much it weighs all in the end?

It doesn't cost much, and worst case scenario is that you don't like it. Take it off and it'll be back to the way it was.

If it works, you'll still have the inherent control of the TT95 you love, with a bit more power on the racquet.

Moving from a TT95 to a TC95/TC97 will be exponentially more different than simply adding little bit of lead tape. How it swings, feels, on contact with the ball, ball trajectory...everything you can think of.

With lead tape, you can be assured that the TT95 you add lead tape to will still maintain everything you love about the racquet as long as you don't add too much to the point where you can't swing it due to it being too much to handle in either weight, swingweight or big difference in balance.

It could be a game changer, that little piece of lead tape
 
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You've repeatedly expressed your dislike of lead tape due to it being confusing for you, but the TT95 is clearly your favourite frame, since you're able to get all the directional control you want and go for your shots with confidence, and all you wish it had is more power.

How about just placing just a little bit of lead tape at the top and ignoring the technical details like how much you should add and/or how much it weighs all in the end?

It doesn't cost much, and worst case scenario is that you don't like it. Take it off and it'll be back to the way it was.

If it works, you'll still have the inherent control of the TT95 you love, with a bit more power on the racquet.

Moving from a TT95 to a TC95 or TC97 in either string pattern and RA will be exponentially more different than simply adding little bit of lead tape. How it swings, feels, on contact with the ball, ball trajectory...everything you can think of.

With lead tape, you can be assured that the racket you add lead tape to will still maintain everything you love about the racquet as long as you don't add too much to the point where you can't swing it due to it being too much to handle in either weight, swingweight or big difference in balance.

It could be a game changer, that little piece of lead tape
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YES you are absolutely right :) I will take your advice, thanks (y)

Edit: What would be a good starting point and where ? 2g at 12 ? I only tried lead at 3 and 9 to make my TT100P more stable, and somehow I never liked that and went back to stock form.
 
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Nick777 said:
Have you tried the new TT95? They are saying that is a bit more powerful than the old version
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No I haven't tried the TT95 2019 version, as it is not available at Tennis Warehouse Europe yet. I could also be a little worried about the increased stiffness as I have a very sensitive arm. But certainly a good option.

I haven't seen many posts or reviews of the frame yet.

Cheers, Toby
 
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Toby14 said:
YES you are absolutely right :) I will take your advice, thanks (y)

Edit: What would be a good starting point and where ? 2g at 12 ? I only tried lead at 3 and 9 to make my TT100P more stable, and somehow I never liked that and went back to stock form.
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Don't add lead at 3 and 9 if you've never liked it there. I am not a big fan of lead at 3 and 9 either on any racquet.

2 grams at 12 is a good point to start off your journey.
 
OlgaOM

OlgaOM

Rookie
ed70 said:
I’ve still to find this dead spot in the TC97, maybe different factory’s batches etc
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I think, it's more a matter of how often you hit outside of the sweet spot :)) I do quite a bit with TC97 since I switched to 97 from 100 head size not long ago, and I definitely had that dead spot feeling until I added some lead in the hoop (batch of this year).
 
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Toby14 said:
YES you are absolutely right :) I will take your advice, thanks (y)

Edit: What would be a good starting point and where ? 2g at 12 ? I only tried lead at 3 and 9 to make my TT100P more stable, and somehow I never liked that and went back to stock form.
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I really dislike lead at 3&9

I would start with lead at 12 (2 grams) or 5g at 7 inches above the buttcap... It makes sw the same, but gives more plowthrough ( I really enjoyed that placement in tt95)

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Professional
OlgaOM said:
I think, it's more a matter of how often you hit outside of the sweet spot :)) I do quite a bit with TC97 since I switched to 97 from 100 head size not long ago, and I definitely had that dead spot feeling until I added some lead in the hoop (batch of this year).
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Had mine for almost 3 years now, use it as my frame for match’s maybe I only hit in the sweet spot!
 
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