Mainad
Bionic Poster
Should have had one last year but he let it slip.
Is Djokovic an ATG on grass?
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Should have had one last year but he let it slip.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Actually, I think that was the 2nd time he let slip a Queen's final. Back in 2008 he was a set and a break up against Nadal (if I'm recalling correctly) and let that one slip away too.
But 4 Wimbledon titles certainly puts him on the most titled players' list so I would say that's makes him an ATG on grass.
Pro tennis historian
Rookie
Is this a serious question? Djokovic has won four Wimbledon titles. More than Becker, Edberg and McEnroe, all great players on grass.
Djokovic's wins versus federer do little to add to djokovics legacy. Firstly because federer has beaten Djokovic around 25 times himself. Secondly because federer is a weak era champion so beating him does not enhance your resume. Djokovic also fared very poorly in the weak era 2004-2010 himself by only winning 1 slam and having a losing h2h vs even weak era mugs such as safin and roddick and fed and ned. However that is a story for anouther day. Bottom line. Novak only beat weak era champions to get to 4 wimbeldons
Pro tennis historian
Rookie
A leading candidate for most absurd statement I have ever read on tennis warehouse.
Djokovic is a weak era champion. Deal with it. Djokovic fans have already done so by admitting Federer is a weak era champion and Djokovic has inflated his career beating this weak era champion (and also being beaten by him 25 times). We have made our peace, make yours. Djokovic adjusted total slam count: 4
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Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Without a doubt, he has 4 wins (some against the best grass player of all time) and a couple finals as well. Not really a hard concept here to be honest.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
I know you're trolling but I have to admit, this made me laugh.
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NoleFam
Bionic Poster
It's fine. Some trolling I like. Lol
Justin Side
Hall of Fame
I think Nadal won that Queens title in a very tight straight setter. Something like 7-5, 7-6 over Djoker.
Pro tennis historian
Rookie
Trolling that is so ridiculous it is funny, but the worrying thing is, I have heard statements almost as absurd said by people who are serious!
SamprasisGOAT
Hall of Fame
Djokovic is the best player in green clay history. Green clay era started in 2005.
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
Username checks out
Justin Side
Hall of Fame
If you win a major 3 times, your in the conversation as an ATG at that event. Once you win 4, it gets really hard to deny the obvious. Djoker is a Wimbledon ATG. Which I guess means he's an ATG on grass, since there's only one grass event that means a damn at this point.
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
Didn't Federer win 6 green clay slams, then? Djokovic only won 4. Federer is green clay GOAT.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Clay is his worst surface.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
You're right. It went 7-6,7-5. I seem to recall Djokovic had breaks in both sets but could not hold onto them. Thanks for the correction.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
Exactly.
Laver 4: hwat?
Yes, he has won 4 at Wimbledon. If you can read, it says specifically "Wimbledon champions".
Martin J
Hall of Fame
Laver couldn't compete between 63 and 67, so he was probably robbed of several titles.
After winning his third title, he had already become an ATG on grass to me. Not to mention that he managed to defend a title, which is always a tough task because the player is expected to repeat the success from the year before.
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
I know that. But all I can do is post the correct number. I can't give him imaginary titles.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Op you insecure? Of course he is.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Destroying Murray in a slam is hardly a great achievement. Using your logic we can say Djokovic was destroying everybody in RG this year but Thiem is just the better player on clay right now. Federer being a much better player in 2006-2008 than in 2014-2015 is simply a fact. Nobody is saying it is Djokovic's fault. It's just that Djokovic fans can never admit that his competition might not be the greatest ever.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Silverbullet96
Hall of Fame
Someone should post a gif of that rally of WB 2014 where Djokovic and Grigor both slipping multiple times.
Obviously yes. This is a no brainer.
If you ignore clay Borg only had 5 majors....blah blah blah (see what I did there.)
Djokovic is an ATG on grass, 4 Wimbledon titles is more than enough to earn that status. If he were to win a 5th and beat Federer in the final the bigger question is who is better on grass Federer or Djokovic.
You see it comes back to the point I keep making and would be re-inforced if Djokovic beats Federer in another final. The bulk of Federer's success came before peak Nadal and Djokovic arrived and if Djokovic is 3-1 h2h v Federer with 5 Wimbledon titles I think it makes it an interesting debate.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Djokovic won Wimbledon 4 different times and beat the best players on grass to get them everytime. End of discussion. Irrelevant if Federer was better in 2006-2008. He was still among the top two players on grass in 2014 and 2015, and Djokovic won fair and square.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
I'm not questioning Djokovic's titles. What I do say is that Djokovic fans don't want to hear anything when one mentions Thiem leading the head to head against him in RG. Djokovic was past his prime, terrible conditions which somehow didn't effect Thiem's game and so on. Yet when it comes to Djokovic beating long past his prime Federer it is somehow irrelevant, Djokovic is just the better player on grass.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
So what if Thiem leads the head to head against him at RG? He beat Djokovic in 2017 when he was struggling. No one weighs that win with any significance. This year is a good win for him but that one could have gone either way, and I also never blamed it on Djokovic being past his prime. You also have never heard me say Djokovic is an overall better player on grass than Federer so stop the nonsense. You're talking out of the side of your neck. Point is, Djokovic won his titles by beating the best players at that time.
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StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
I do mention it every time when I see a Djokovic fan hyping his "win" over Nadal in RG 2015.
As for beating the best players at the time-alright, so what better player could Nadal face when he won USO 2010 and 2013? Djokovic would beat any other player in the draw both times. That never stops Federer and Djokovic fans from bringing these Nadal's victories down. I just don't like double standards. There is a difference between beating the best player at the time and having great competition. (though 2013 Djokovic>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2015 Federer)
Pheasant
Legend
How can this can this be a serious question? The guy won 4 titles, including back-to-back in 2014-15 against the undisputed grass court GOAT.
How do people define ATG at an event? I think that 3 slam titles at a single event gets you there, no matter what. Examples there are Nadal and Djoker at the USO and Kuerten on clay.
How do people define ATG at an event? I think that 3 slam titles at a single event gets you there, no matter what. Examples there are Nadal and Djoker at the USO and Kuerten on clay.
From what I have seen and read, grass court tennis is very different from what it was till the late nineties, which is why players like Nadal, Novak and Murray were able to win multiple Wimbledons. Federer, due to his great volleying skills would have fared well on grass as it was before 2000, Nadal and Novak with there game styles today, would not.
Biotic
Hall of Fame
Tennis_Freak99
Legend
Are you sure he is Pantera? That Fed love from Beckerserve is confusing
Biotic
Hall of Fame
I don't know. Many others said so.
ForehandRF
Legend
Good point.@Beckerserve really likes Fed, unlike Pantera.
NoleIsBoat
Hall of Fame
Yes, undoubtedly. 3-0 in Wimbledon finals vs the statistical Wimbledon GOAT says it all.
I would even argue he’s BOAT of modern grass.
I would even argue he’s BOAT of modern grass.
ForehandRF
Legend
Yeah man, because the H2H against one player is more important than anything else
It wasn't 2003-2009 Fed on the other side of the net, so it doesn't strenghten your point at all.Nevertheless, a great achievement from Novak.
Biotic
Hall of Fame
Maybe he changed his tune. At the time he wrote this, Nadal had 18 slams. 18<<20 lol. Simple as that, bud.
NoleIsBoat
Hall of Fame
I think Fed is modern grass GOAT. Can’t argue with 8 titles and 12 finals.Yeah man, because the H2H against one player is more important than anything else
I personally class BOAT as the best to play on the surface. Djokovic won 3/3 Wimbledon finals against Fed so for me he is a better player there.
ForehandRF
Legend
Is Murray better that Djokovic on grass ?
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Deleted member 771911
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Yes, he is.
RelentlessAttack
Hall of Fame
Grass ended in 2002. PETE was its last ATG
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