Why You Dislike The Williams??
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theballboy
Rookie
No, it's not that. It's the fact that some random comments, which you can't even provide articles for, made by the sisters years ago, warrant four threads within one week, while worse comments by other players made during the same time period don't even get a mention. That's called selective bias. For whatever reason, people here are disporportionately targeting the two sisters.
If there were threads asking "Why You Dislike Hingis" then it'd be hard to call foul, but, the current situation is peculiar.
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
I already provided several quotes by Serena. The fact you chose to ignore them is evidence that most people such as yourself who supports them DON'T want to hear any criticism of them, and enjoys "playing victim" and/or the "race card".
By the way, I'm not your secretary>>> do your own search and you will find plenty of arrogant comments made by them.
THEY ARE ARROGANT! GET OVER IT, STOP POSTING IN THIS THREAD AND YOU WILL SEE HOW QUICKLY IT DISAPPEARS.
theballboy
Rookie
I'm not even debating their so called arrogance anymore. I'm wondering as to why people on a board normally dominated by ATP talk seem to be fixated on them.
Do you honestly think that the sisters' trangressions deserve more criticism than every other WTA player combined? Because that's how it is in this forum.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Clear thinking.
...of course, others will continue to deny the biased viewpoints/criticism.
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
Seems to me you are just as "fixated" on defending them, as people are answering the OP's question.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Please explain the need to praise someone who just kicked you out of any random tournament--the only reason the players are there.
From the player's POV, the true joy/concern of the winner is moving forward--or if she or he is in a final, winning the event, not recieving praise form the opponent, so praise seems wholly unnecessary.
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
He doesn't need to explain anything. He answered the question.
Azzurri
Legend
If there were threads asking "Why You Dislike Hingis" then it'd be hard to call foul, but, the current situation is peculiar.[/QUOTE]
As you wish Ballboy:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=1373928#post1373928
As you wish Ballboy:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=1373928#post1373928
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
That will be his call to make, drakulie.
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
As you wish THUNDER.
RafaN RichardG
Semi-Pro
i havent really been in this battle since earlier but i just happened to come across this quote...
lol, i just find it funny that you keep arguing, but youre not getting anywhere, if you really wanted to prove anything, just get some direct quotes in context, and provide a link.
and if youre only response (cop out) is that you dont need any, or dont feel like it, thats lame....im pretty sure there were quotes from ppl earlier of the sisters giving their opponents credit, so if you think they NEVER do then just give some quotes, but i mean, itd be hard to prove that they NEVER give their opponents credit, seeing as there were already quotes of them giving credit...which no one responded to.
however in all honesty you probably will find more of them saying things like "i beat myself" but that is kind of true when the main cause of their loss is them having a ridiculous amount of unforced errors (ratios of 20 winners to 40 UEs) and the opponent has like 3 winners and 5 unforced errors, rather than them being beaten into forced into errors and someone hitting winenrs by them. i really havent seen them blown off the court many times, please, prove me wrong.
anyways theyre interviewed more than most other players so naturally you'll see more of their quotes, and with more quotes you're able to find more things you don't like. there are probably just as many others that you would find from other players if they had so much media coverage. if you're so set on proving your point, then just get a quote, otherwise you're not really getting anywhere, because there are already quotes in this thread that counter what youve said.
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Kaptain Karl
Hall Of Fame
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- KK
- KK
Eviscerator
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You do not need to be of a particular race to have a racial chip on your shoulder so my comment can still apply. I know several ultra liberal PC fanatics who get more offended over racial issues than the people who are in the racial group that is being talked about. Based on the aforementioned you might fall into that category.
Actually I have posted in this thread earlier, and have participated in other Williams family discussions before as well. If you were to read my opinions you would find them to be consistent. On the one hand my first impressions of the two sisters was decidedly negative, but as they have matured they have made improvements with their public demeanor. I liken them to the other two female players who were arrogant and had the "world revolves around me" attitude, namely Hingis and Kournikova. The other thing that has softened me to them over the years is their fairly consistent participation in representing the USA in Fed Cup. On the men's side I disliked JMac, but I respected his participation in Davis Cup.
Lastly, they have distanced themselves from their father more, and even though he is still a loose cannon, his remarks/comments seem less attributable to them than in the past.
Though I have no understanding of why they may pop up in groups, my guess would be that when one of them either wins a tourney like Serena just did, or one of the family makes an obnoxious comment people will want to talk about it. Back when Hingis was on top of the women's game she received a lot of negative attention. Now that the Williams sisters are doing well again[at least Serena] it stands to reason that threads will be posted about them as a result.
pirateofthecarribean
Hall of Fame
This thread needs to be closed ASAP.
J
jeebeesus
Guest
Dude...no one said she sucked...no one said they weren't impressed with her tennis game.....maybe you should re-read WHY people dislike the sisters. Nothing to do w/their game...for the most part.
oh yes thanks for pointing it out, its why and not how and its not about tennis either lol
Azzurri
Legend
you know I can't understand a word you just said....MUMBLER!!!!!!
Azzurri
Legend
You could just stop coming into the thread.....or can't you help yourself?
RafaN RichardG
Semi-Pro
this is getting to be a waste of time...
williams haters-prove your point, stop b/sing
williams haters-prove your point, stop b/sing
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A
asadvis
Guest
I dislike the Williams´sisters due to her appearance. Specially Serena who seems a boxer. (Too Mauresmo, she is a half man). I don´t watch TV when they play.
Besides, both sisters are arrogants. Example: They challenged to any man between the 200 ATP could not defeat them. They failed happily. One siste lost by 6-0, the other sister lost by 6-1. (I don´t remember the name of the male player).
On the other side, I liked when Serena won Sharapova (really destroyed her). because she was and is the one of the best player of WTA.
Unhappily besides, this demonstrated that the WTA Tour is decaying. Actually, there is not a good level of tennis in WTA.
Saludos
Besides, both sisters are arrogants. Example: They challenged to any man between the 200 ATP could not defeat them. They failed happily. One siste lost by 6-0, the other sister lost by 6-1. (I don´t remember the name of the male player).
On the other side, I liked when Serena won Sharapova (really destroyed her). because she was and is the one of the best player of WTA.
Unhappily besides, this demonstrated that the WTA Tour is decaying. Actually, there is not a good level of tennis in WTA.
Saludos
Azzurri
Legend
I am with you on everything you said....but the sister supporter's basically want proof...the only proof they will accept (from what I gather) is both Venus and Serena will need to call a press confrence and say "We are arrogant" other than that every word, quote and reason we give will not suffice. Its their way of not facing the truth.
I agree. I very, very much dislike them, hate is such a nasty word. They make too many excuses and don't give their opponents credit for beating them.
RafaN RichardG
Semi-Pro
wow, since you provided sooo many quotes
the only one that would even make sense is the navratilova one, and even so, thats HER opinion, that doesnt make it true.
the reebok one could be taken different ways, she could have been laughing as she said it, i mean come on that was a bit of a stretch on your part.
like i said before, i'm not denying that there is any trace of arrogance in them, i mean winning a lot of slams and fame does that to you (i.e. federer http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=45667) and yet somehow, that flat out declaration from federer "i'm the favorite against anyone" is only seen as confidence?(as so many in the thread stated.) and yet any quote from a williams is twisted into an arrogant rant, please elaborate on this.
but here everything is taken way too literally, and way exaggerated.
fact of the matter is, you cant truthfully say they never give credit, because there are quotes of them giving credit earlier in this thread. here's a huge one after the wimbledon finals in 2004
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/tennis/wimb/2004-07-03-womens-final_x.htm
""It wasn't my day," a gracious Williams told the Centre Court crowd. "Maria played a really good match. Congratulations on your first Grand Slam."" -serena
and like i also said before, they get 10x as many interviews after matches, and most of the matches they lose are because of THEIR Unforced, not forced, errors, so obviously if they have a ridiculous amoutn of errors, all the other player has to do is show up, but liek the quote above, when theyre really beaten they give it up to their opponent.
lots of players make lame excuses (however htis IS a williams hate thread *rolls eyes*, so i can understand you pointing out them, but how about justine's lame tummy ache, or her mono like virus that somehow put her out for like half a year, i know ppl who have mono it gets better in like a month, should be even faster with her because shes fitter than most ppl i know),
oh and that battle of the sexes thing-NEVER happened
http://newsfromrussia.com/society/2005/12/07/69351_.html
if you could take anything from that situation, you could say that they know they probably can't beat the men, so thats why they backed out.
so basically, what the Williams supporters aren't happy with, is why they are so often singled out, and their quotes are exaggerated, and taken to such crazy lengths, and why people go so far out of their way to hate on them. (i.e. this thread, the serena's right arm is huge thread, serena is getting fatter threads, need i say more?)
please, im waiting to see what you come up with next.
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vllockhart
Rookie
Hate Kills The Hater
Azzurri
Legend
Well said....I agree w/you. I guess some things coming from typed text can be taken out of context. Maybe she was just kidding about the 40 Million. I just disliked them when they first came on the scene. I have softened to Serena, but not Venus. I was disgusted by the way they showed their happiness....I mean Fed does not jump up and down at the trophy presentation like Venus. Fed does say cocky things and yes people give him slack...because he is also respectful and cordial to his peers.
What annoys me on this thread is people trying to make it a race issue...I can't stand Sharapova. I hate her much worse than the sisters. My dislike for the sisters has nothing to do with race. People need to get over that.
theballboy
Rookie
Well said....I agree w/you. I guess some things coming from typed text can be taken out of context. Maybe she was just kidding about the 40 Million. I just disliked them when they first came on the scene. I have softened to Serena, but not Venus. I was disgusted by the way they showed their happiness....I mean Fed does not jump up and down at the trophy presentation like Venus. Fed does say cocky things and yes people give him slack...because he is also respectful and cordial to his peers.
What annoys me on this thread is people trying to make it a race issue...I can't stand Sharapova. I hate her much worse than the sisters. My dislike for the sisters has nothing to do with race. People need to get over that.
Maybe it isn't a race issue for you, but for LOTS of people who have an irrational, persistant dislike of them, race most likely plays a part. The Imus situation is a great example; when he called the Rutgers teams "nappy headed hos" he didn't misspeak, that's what he genuinely thought of when he saw eight athletic black women playing ball, whether subconciously or not. So when people say that the Williams sisters just "rub them the wrong way" while people like Hingis, the other Martina, Henin, etc. don't, there's more than just arrogance going on.
And the Williams sisters ARE respectful and cordial to the peers, ninety percent of the time. In almost a decade of professional tennis, you know of about 12 instances where they came off as anything less than gracious in deafeat or victory, and for some people, that's enough to hate the sisters for the rest of their lives. So be it.
And the Venus thing: are you referring to the Wimbledon trophy presentation in 05? Or is there another instance of her doing that? Because from what I remember, it was Venus' first slam in four years, after being told by the media and sports commentators that'd she'd never win big again, after the longest women's final in Wimbledon history, after being down championship point...
I'd be jumping up and down too. That was probably one of the best moments of her life. Lindsey didn't mind, the Wimdledon crew didn't mind, but you do? Odd.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Excellent point.
Which is why for some (in the absence of NOT criticising the aforementioned players with the kind of behavior attributed to the sisters) their motivation appears to stem from particular mindsets.
Agreed.
RafaN RichardG
Semi-Pro
Well said....I agree w/you. I guess some things coming from typed text can be taken out of context. Maybe she was just kidding about the 40 Million. I just disliked them when they first came on the scene. I have softened to Serena, but not Venus. I was disgusted by the way they showed their happiness....I mean Fed does not jump up and down at the trophy presentation like Venus. Fed does say cocky things and yes people give him slack...because he is also respectful and cordial to his peers.
What annoys me on this thread is people trying to make it a race issue...I can't stand Sharapova. I hate her much worse than the sisters. My dislike for the sisters has nothing to do with race. People need to get over that.
yes i don't think everyone has a race issue, but it sometimes seems that way because they are often singled out, more so than the other players. (but then please do not ignore when racism actually does happen to them, believe me it does, ex: the man that heckled her the other day, people here heard it, he said what he said, but people denied it time and time again, but thats besides the point...and that was just me talking on the side, not directed at you in any way)
on the matter of federer, i dont really see how many of the things he has said were respectful, not saying he isnt, because i think he is overall a classy guy, but it seems strange that CLEAR things he said about being better than everyone else can just be looked over, while williams' quotes that are left more into interpretation of those on these boards are seen as arrogance. thats why people get a little bent ever people talking about the sisters, because they are hated on a lot more...
regarding venus, if that ONE incident, of her showing her hapiness after winning a grand slam is what really turns you off about her, than so be it. i mean i guess maybe she couldve tried to contain herself in her vidtory a little more, BUT, after being counted out so many times, not even being on the radar to win wimbledon in 05, and winning in the longest womens match in grand slam history, you can hardly blame her for being so excited. at least I can't.
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Azzurri
Legend
We live in the real world....yes some people don't like them purely cuz they are black. I have respect for many black atheletes.
They have been more cordial over the past few years, but not when they first came out. They were obnoxious and utterly annoying with their statements about dominating and other things. I did say I have laxed on my dislike....
The Venus thing was Wimby (in 05??) and yes it bothered me and millions of other people. I remember ESPN and other radio shows were all over her for that. It was too much...over the top. Why did Davenport not have an issue...because she has class. Lindsay always had it and always will. Evenm though she was roated for years about her body and face. The poor girl took it all and always walked the high road. The Williams family did not such thing. If anything, Richard has made a few rascist remarkes himself.
As for that "heckler" a few weeks past. Other people sitting within feet from him claim he did not make a rascist remark and was basically just taunting her and calling her stupid names like "outta shape" and "loser"...nothing rascist.
Kaptain Karl
Hall Of Fame
I'd better start with a disclaimer. I don't hate or even "dislike" the Williamses. I wish Serena would take the game seriously for three or four more years. I'm disappointed that she is so cocky she thinks she can dabble in all her other interests ... AND be consistently competitive. I believe she can rewrite the Record Books and make people forget all about Court, Navratilova and Graf ... if she applies herself.
Your post is *loaded* with preconceptions. (Emphasis will be mine....)
[I have listened to all of about 20 seconds of Imus' show over ALL these years. But I have been closely listening to many observers' comments since his stupid remark.] I tend to agree with those who think Imus was just an out-of-touch 60-something who was ignorantly trying to "sound hip" with that remark. (But ... I don't know ... and neither do you.)
Here's my post in a thread asking TT-ers' views of the best Slam Final of the decade...
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I actually think Venus' reaction was precious. Her unbridled *joy* was infectious. I loved that match and her delight.
- KK
Your post is *loaded* with preconceptions. (Emphasis will be mine....)
With the bolded section, your assertion is ... tautologous.
You have absolutley ZERO insight into (that dope's) mind. Your assertion is without merit.
[I have listened to all of about 20 seconds of Imus' show over ALL these years. But I have been closely listening to many observers' comments since his stupid remark.] I tend to agree with those who think Imus was just an out-of-touch 60-something who was ignorantly trying to "sound hip" with that remark. (But ... I don't know ... and neither do you.)
And when people order Rye instead of Wheat with their sandwhich, there's "more going on." (IOW ... huh?)
Wow! I think you're either uniformed ... or being especially KIND to them. I -- who want to see both girls do really well -- would say they are "respectful and cordial" about 25% of the time. IMO, the other 75% of the time they are "legends in their own minds."
I'd reverse that entirely. There are about 12 cases (each) when they were gracious in either defeat or victory.
I suppose they do mean that (great) victory.
Here's my post in a thread asking TT-ers' views of the best Slam Final of the decade...
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laurie said:
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I actually think Venus' reaction was precious. Her unbridled *joy* was infectious. I loved that match and her delight.
That has just gotten me grinning from ear to ear for Venus ... again!
Here, we agree. (But her name is "Lindsay".)
- KK
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theballboy
Rookie
I have a plausible reason for all the hate. It's from another thread on this site, about Federer:
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
RafaN RichardG
Semi-Pro
lol so does this mean that since you do have an issue, that you don't have class? jk
but like i said, it wasnt a big deal, a young woman celebrating her great victory, blown out of proportion, as how i said before things surrounding the williamses often are.
im pretty sure someone here heard him say "negro", however that was just an example i gave, but like i said, thats a whole other story, which i dont feel like getting into, because neither of us was there(right?), and either of us probably don't know any more about the situation that the other, so i don't wanna go there...
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Azzurri
Legend
im pretty sure someone here heard him say "negro", however that was just an example i gave, but like i said, thats a whole other story, which i dont feel like getting into, because neither of us was there(right?), and either of us probably don't know any more about the situation that the other, so i don't wanna go there...[/QUOTE]
I agree, you and I were not there. I am just going by what was reported and the people sitting near him were interviewed after the match and not one said he used a racial slur. I wish I had the web site where I read that but I don't. It believe it was just a blurb anyway.
I agree, you and I were not there. I am just going by what was reported and the people sitting near him were interviewed after the match and not one said he used a racial slur. I wish I had the web site where I read that but I don't. It believe it was just a blurb anyway.
It was brought up in a post match interview, serena made no mention of the comment until a reporter asked her.
No one besides serena heard the racial comment, they did however hear everything else he was saying (the members of this forum who were at the match).
Azzurri
Legend
People on this forum were at the match? Do you know what was supposedly said?
As for the no comment.....NO WAY. She refused to play until he was removed. She was very clearly heard to claim rascist remarks were made and she felt threatened. I heard her myself. She went on and on. Not sure what you mean about the post match interview, but anyone watching the match could clearly hear her talking to the ref about this guy.
Azzurri
Legend
Right..that's what I heard. I did not hear (from radio or ESPN) that he called her "Negro" or anything else rascist. I think its funny now. If he indeed was just messing w/her and Serena brought up the race card than I am once again going to hate on her. She can't help herself...she's Richard's daughter...EEEEWWWWW.
Hey...This is my 500th post...Do I get something from TW? Breakpoint, what did you get for 10,000? A watch?
Kaptain Karl
Hall Of Fame
Chadwixx is repeating "the big lie" every time he sees a discussion about that incident.
Witnesses were quoted as hearing the racial comments from the idiot. Other TT-ers have posted links. Chadwixx chooses not to believe it.
- KK
Witnesses were quoted as hearing the racial comments from the idiot. Other TT-ers have posted links. Chadwixx chooses not to believe it.
- KK
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
To the original question, why do you hate the Williams Sisters?
1. Because they're rich and famous.
2. Because they get more attention than their fair haired counterparts.
3. Because they are touted as all-time greats.
4. Because their rise has been so remarkable.
5. Because they are ratings winners.
6. Because they are beautiful.
7. Because whenever they're around the talk is all about them.
8. Because they shut up the doubters mouths time and time again.
9. Because of what they've done they never have to hit another yellow ball.
10. Because they're international tennis stars.
11. Because tennis isn't their whole life and they dare to have other interests.
12. Because they are gracious and kind.
13. Because they also know how good they are.
These are some of the real reasons. Come on, admit it!
1. Because they're rich and famous.
2. Because they get more attention than their fair haired counterparts.
3. Because they are touted as all-time greats.
4. Because their rise has been so remarkable.
5. Because they are ratings winners.
6. Because they are beautiful.
7. Because whenever they're around the talk is all about them.
8. Because they shut up the doubters mouths time and time again.
9. Because of what they've done they never have to hit another yellow ball.
10. Because they're international tennis stars.
11. Because tennis isn't their whole life and they dare to have other interests.
12. Because they are gracious and kind.
13. Because they also know how good they are.
These are some of the real reasons. Come on, admit it!
tenniskid3119
Semi-Pro
I like serena, venus could use a little work. but i dont hate 'em
pirateofthecarribean
Hall of Fame
Serena is the best! We whoov you!
Objective Danny
Hall of Fame
The Williams Sisters embody everything that's wrong with Pro Sports.
They are the T.O. (Terrell Owens) of the WTA.
They are the T.O. (Terrell Owens) of the WTA.
Serena... Is that you...???
Get off it man we all know they can play, its their excuses and approach that rubs me the wrong way...
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