TimeToPlaySets
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When I got off sugar, cravings dropped after 7 days.
After a few weeks, they were 99% gone.
One week is the magic detox
After a few weeks, they were 99% gone.
One week is the magic detox
Obsessing over technique and never playing matches
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I don't think there's a "one size fits all" solution. Both work so it's a matter of figuring out, based on the person, which method is more likely to succeed in the long-run. What's the use of quitting cold turkey if they can't take the withdrawals? That person has a much higher chance of success doing it gradually. For people who can take the sudden shift, so much the better [I'm not aware of any health problems caused by suddenly reducing carb/sugar intake; I would think most would feel dramatically better, especially those on the insulin roller coaster. But I'm no health expert so take my musings with a grain of...wait, not necessarily a good saying. "Be skeptical and do your own research."
R1FF
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It’s because the withdrawals & cravings are going to happen either way. You can choose for it to be a painfully long process. Or a painfully short one.
Too my knowledge nobody effectively quits alcohol or any other narcotic by slowly tapering off. You bite the bullet & go cold turkey if you’re serious.
Not everyone puked from sugar withdrawals but EVERYONE gets what is called “keto flu”. It’s basically the same as a hangover. For some it only lasts a few hours. For others a few days. That’s why during the withdrawals phase it’s common to see people recommend you treat it like a hangover and eat greasy foods. The headaches instantly go away. But not everyone pre-emptively heeds this advice.
And salt is super essential and good for us. Dont worry about that “grain of salt” saying.
R1FF
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I avoided any keto flu symptoms by starting off my journey with a 3-day fast. Only water & salt for 72 hours. This is a violent/abrupt way to kick your body into ketosis immediately. But not something I would advocate to anyone who isn’t experienced in fasting. I’d been doing it monthly since 2012 and worked my way up to 72 hrs.
And then I just started pounding avocados & greasy burger patties & dairy. Even if I wasnt hungry. I stuck to the script. No flu symptoms.
Not everyone is that disciplined to follow the directions.
And then I just started pounding avocados & greasy burger patties & dairy. Even if I wasnt hungry. I stuck to the script. No flu symptoms.
Not everyone is that disciplined to follow the directions.
What I do off the tennis court to train is just as important as the on court. For every hour on the court I spend an hour in the gym, plyometrics, footwork or agility drills. Normally only play one match a week. It’s all finding the balance that works. Can tell you that doing nothing but going out and playing doubles matches you will slowly but surely see yourself getting worst over the years.
Low carb 85% of the time. Get 100% of the benefit without depriving yourself.
1 Week (This week)
Mon: Ground Strokes/Patterns of play (1hour)
Tues: Serve/Returns (1hour)
Wed: Weights/ Upper Body (Circuit Train) (1 hour)
Thurs: Weights/ Lower Body (Circuit Train) (1hour)
Fri: Agility/ Footwork/ Quick Volley Drills (1 hour)
Sat: Singles/Doubles (2.5 hours)
*some weeks mix in cycling,spinning, soccer, flag football, etc. Keep mixing it up and keep it fun.
Low carb 85% of the time. Get 100% of the benefit without depriving yourself.
1 Week (This week)
Mon: Ground Strokes/Patterns of play (1hour)
Tues: Serve/Returns (1hour)
Wed: Weights/ Upper Body (Circuit Train) (1 hour)
Thurs: Weights/ Lower Body (Circuit Train) (1hour)
Fri: Agility/ Footwork/ Quick Volley Drills (1 hour)
Sat: Singles/Doubles (2.5 hours)
*some weeks mix in cycling,spinning, soccer, flag football, etc. Keep mixing it up and keep it fun.
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J011yroger
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Not teaching full time any more. Just working with select juniors and collegiate players from time to time. Working full time in another field now that will normally allow me an hour a day workout. Three kids playing sports now.
R1FF
Professional
Im on the court 14-18 hours per week. No less than 750 serves / week. I play less matches lately because my hitting partners arent helpful. But Im doing more drills & getting reps in. The hitting wall has become my best friend and it’s translating to much better match performances. Appx 6000 strokes per week against the wall.
And my diet is uber strict. I track everything I eat (macros & total calories/expenditure). Mostly fat. Moderate protein. Little to no carbs. Daily intermittent fasting. Losta red meat & dairy.
11% body fat and my limit is about 6-7 hours of tennis in a day if I can line up 3 different hitting partners back-to-back-to-back.
Im really enjoying tennis at the moment.
J011yroger
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J011yroger
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I don't really count work, even if the kids are good. It helps me keep my feel, and maybe groove my shots but I'm definitely not getting better.
J
R1FF
Professional
I dont know anymore. Im just really enjoying tennis because at this rate Im seeing tangible improvement every couple days. It’s very fun to be playing tennis this well and I just wanna see where it leads.
Originally my goal was to get to 5.0 level tennis. The guy who got me into tennis told me I’d never be able to do it, since I started playing too late. So I set that as my goal but I kept getting hurt. My first 2 years I spent about 10 months unable to play due to weird injuries. In 2018 I changed my nutrition and the injuries stopped. So starting this January I’ve been able to consistently play 6 days/week. This year has had some serious low points but since discovering the hitting wall everything just “clicked”.
I dont know if I’ll ever reach 5.0, and I dont care anymore. Im just having a lot of fun getting better. Im competitive versus 4.5’s right now and that is a heck of a accomplishment. If I can notch a win before the end of the year, I’ll be plenty satisfied (until next Spring LOL).
TimeToPlaySets
Legend
That is the right attitude.
You need to be in love with the process.
The process is the end goal.
Outcome will be incidental.
Would love to see video of you playing against 4.5 players
You need to be in love with the process.
The process is the end goal.
Outcome will be incidental.
Would love to see video of you playing against 4.5 players
tennis tom
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FiReFTW
Legend
What kind of nutrition did u have before and what kind after?
Any supplements?
Any workout fitness plan you do and/or stretching?
R1FF
Professional
Before? Trained 6 hrs per day. Burning 4000+ calories. Ate relatively standard American diet on cheat days. Paleo most of the week. Did nothing but continue to get fatter.
Then went full keto. But this year switched over to carnivore. Basically, keto is a fat based lifestyle, instead of sugar. And carnivore cuts out all the veggies, because Im learning veggies might not be so healthy. Also cut out all vegetable & seed oils.
No supplements anymore. Not needed. They’re not efficient anyways. Eating organ meat (ie: liver) is far better.
Macro ratios aside, all I worry about is if Im getting enough calories. 2200+ is my tipping point necessary to maintain sustainable energy levels. Nutient dense calories.
No more workout or training plans. Although, prior to switching up my nutrition, it took a solid 60-90 minutes of stretching just to get out of bed every morning. No more. I feel like a teenager.
I never stretch because Im never sore. A large part of that is diet related. It’s also because I dont push past my limits. I do in a day what I can repeat the next day.
The lone exceptions are that I do pullups/hanging therapy to keep my shoulders & back healthy. Essential considering the # of serves Im doing per week. I also started a routine of doing pushups every day. But more for the discipline. Each week I add another rep. Im 64 weeks in. So I do 64 pushups in a row every day. Next week will be 65. Original goal was 52. Now it’s 100. Next year it will probably be 200 LOL. I don’t consider that training.
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chatt_town
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We are on the same page with this. I've seen those guys as well....hitting on the wall...looking for perfection in shots and then don't know how to use them. I believe to it's only one true way to learn how to play tennis and that's to play. Spending 100's if not 1000's of dollars on lessons and then you don't know how to defend someone lobbing over your bh side is crazy. I rarely practice. It's mostly brain with me at this point. lol I love it though when I do get guys like this on the court. People expect you to lose because he looks like Warinka hitting his bh or Isner with his serve...then when that **** comes back he's like..."what am I supposed to do now"....Not only does he need to play. He needs to play people with different styles. It will teach you how to play different types of games...how to defend...and when to be agressive.
chatt_town
Hall of Fame
So you saying you aren't as sore anymore because you changed your diet? So you aren't stretching you say? How old are you now and how old were you when you started?
chatt_town
Hall of Fame
So what did you replace the sugar with?
R1FF
Professional
Correct. The soreness I was feeling was due to inflammation caused from a high carb diet.
Im 38 years old. Going on 2 years. And I consider myself a better athlete today than I was in my early 20’s. Granted, the ceiling is lower, but Im better informed today than I was then.
No need to stretch. It’s my understanding that pulling muscles and whatnot are more related to improper nutrition, hydration, and salt levels. I manage those, and the stupid injuries stopped.
R1FF
Professional
Fat. Lots of it. Fat from dairy & red meat.
The body does need glucose. But I get that from excess protein that the liver naturally converts into glucose. This is the proper way to get glucose since it wont throw you out of ketosis.
Without sports, 1200-1400 calories per day is perfectly sufficient. 80% fat / 20% protein.
But with all this tennis, I’ve found my protein needs to be bumped up to 30%. And calories in the 2200-3000 range.
FiReFTW
Legend
Thats quite high protein intake for a keto diet.
That being said eating no vegetables is pretty st*pid since they not only are mineral/vitamin dense but also have alot of fiber and phytonutrients which are important for health in the long run.
R1FF
Professional
More protein is necessary for athletics. I’ve spoken to several other athletes about this. We all struggled when we let it drop to a “normal” level.
Vegetables have vitamins/minerals but they are not in a format that is easy to metabolize. We dont have the stomachs. Same vitamins & minerals are available in organ meat. Far denser. And far easier to metabolize. And without the toxic lectins. Vegetables are not healthy. The ones we find at grocery stores were specially bred just to be even palatable. They’re nothing like the bitter genetics they were in nature. When ruminants eat veggies, they take all those micro nutrients and put them in a format we can metabolize, meat.
Fiber being “healthy” is a myth. If we were meant to eat it, we’d be able to metabolize it. Instead, it just passes thru our system. It offers zero nutritional value and Ive read where it might actually be unhealthy.
What is “stupid” is merely a subjective matter of research. And what we’ve been told by Harvard & every other health association the last 50 years has gotten such bad results, listening to them would be stupid imo.
FiReFTW
Legend
Most research shows that meat is unhealthy in big quantities and that vegetable is extremely healthy even in massive quantities.
But no point arguing u prolly read some books or articles about what you say and are convinced no matter what.
I just hope ur health wont suffer in 10 or 20 years.
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
The more fiber I eat, the leaner I get, and the healthier I feel.
Passing more fiber through your digestive tract has the hidden benefit of limiting and slowing absorption of calories from other foods you eat, especially from carbs.
R1FF
Professional
Have you ever dug deep into that “research”? I have. It changed my opinion. Reconsider who you think is the stubborn one on this.
Yes, Ive read many books, and articles, and the 50 yr old studies that the nutrition “experts” regurgitate. Not sure how that makes me the stupid one here? The science simply doesnt back up the flawed claims of those crappy studies.
My health will be fine. Cant say the same for most Americans. Heart disease is a leading killer and it’s no surprise to me that the founder of the vegan movement died of a heart attack at age 66.
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
atkins diet and life expectancy - Google Search
www.google.com
R1FF
Professional
Lean can mean a variety of things. Not a definitive marker of health either.
And since I dont eat carbs, Im not looking to have stuff pass thru me quickly. I want full absorption of the food I eat.
R1FF
Professional
Compelling evidence LOL.
A “study” that relies on what people THINK they ate. Awesome science. LOLOLOL.
If that article is what you call evidence, we can stop this discussion right now. Cmon man. That aint a study. It’s a survey with a loosely formulated correlation being turned into a click bait headline. Exactly the type of health advice I’d expect from the BBC no less.
Here is a real study....
Stopping or reducing dietary fiber intake reduces constipation and its associated symptoms
AIM: To investigate the effect of reducing dietary fiber on patients with idiopathic constipation.METHODS: Sixty-three cases of idiopathic constipation presenting between May 2008 and May 2010 were enrolled into the study after colonoscopy excluded an ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
OnTheLine
Hall of Fame
Yes Dr. Lector
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
So you’re saying a controlled study of 25,000 patients conducted by Harvard researchers and published in Lancet is not a real study?Compelling evidence LOL.
A “study” that relies on what people THINK they ate. Awesome science. LOLOLOL.
If that article is what you call evidence, we can stop this discussion right now. Cmon man. That aint a study. It’s a survey with a loosely formulated correlation being turned into a click bait headline. Exactly the type of health advice I’d expect from the BBC no less.
Here is a real study....
Stopping or reducing dietary fiber intake reduces constipation and its associated symptoms
AIM: To investigate the effect of reducing dietary fiber on patients with idiopathic constipation.METHODS: Sixty-three cases of idiopathic constipation presenting between May 2008 and May 2010 were enrolled into the study after colonoscopy excluded an ...
The results are extremely convincing - keto diets shorten your life by about 3 years.
R1FF
Professional
Yes. Did you look deeper into it? Relying on a survey of what people think they ate is flawed beyond measure. If that’s what you call a “controlled study” I think we need to re-evaluate the definition of that terminology.
And Harvard is hardly an expert in this field right now, or ever. They’ve been taking a serious beating lately, deservedly so. Their history of nutrition “studies” coming out of Harvard is pretty bad.
50 Years Ago, Sugar Industry Quietly Paid Scientists To Point Blame At Fat
Documents show that in the '60s, the sugar industry funded Harvard researchers who, examining risk factors of heart disease, dismissed concerns about sugar and doubled down on the dangers of fat.
www.npr.org
Harvard has a lot of blood on their hands. And rather than admit they were wrong, they’re just gonna double down.
tennis tom
Legend
I'm going for the steak! If you're building or replacing muscle cells amino acid is needed and red meats have the highest concentration of amino acids--you can get them in beans but then you're contributing to global warming through flatulence. Pound for pound red meat has the most muscle building/replacing protein/amino acid--Love Sizzler Restaurants, good cheap roadside steaks and their thick sliced garlic bread is to die for.
R1FF
Professional
The amino acids in beans are incomplete and not efficiently metabolized.
I do miss things like garlic bread & mashed potatoes sometimes. I dont miss the back pain at all though.
J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
I had 3 beers and a pint of cookie dough ice cream for dinner last night and am the odds on favorite to play circles around everyone in this thread.
J
J
J011yroger
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FiReFTW
Legend
Seems like they probably don't stress too much about food and drinks, and stress that something is unhealthy and might hurt them and worry about what diet and food choices to make in order to be healthy, but rather eat all sorts of foods in moderation and don't stress one bit about it.
R1FF
Professional
And also the odds on favorite for heart disease.
Not sure how your lifetime of tennis skills proves eating ice cream is healthy or helps your tennis. But considering that the Harvard study is found credible, heck, go for it! LOL
If we’re gonna measure outright athleticism, across a variety of sports, I’ll take the challenge. But it wont really prove anything. I was good at sports while fat & unhealthy. I just was ina lot of pain and didnt last as long.
The proof is in the fact that at my age I can play 6 hrs of tennis multiple days in a row without breaking down. Most people need a lot more rest & recovery. I know I sure did prior.
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R1FF
Professional
Who says I stress?
Studying topics is not stress. That’s pretty indicative of American culture these days that research is considered stressful. Lol
R1FF
Professional
Do they really tho?
And what other variables are you conveniently ignoring?
Balance is overrated. It’s a myth that was started with the four food groups.
No other species on the planet requires “balance”. Yet humans have convinced themselves that because balance is aesthetically pleasing, we’re somehow different than any other life form. LOL
FiReFTW
Legend
Eating ice cream is not unhealthy, no food in moderation is unhealthy.
I dare you to read this:
Why “Clean Eating” is a Myth – Complete Human Performance
completehumanperformance.com
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
I think this thread now desperately needs a poll asking who among the thread participants is most likely to suddenly keel over in 15 years.
R1FF
Professional
Eating ice cream is not unhealthy, no food in moderation is unhealthy.
I dare you to read this:
Why “Clean Eating” is a Myth – Complete Human Performance
I read it. There are multiple falsehoods & conclusions drawn that are inaccurate.
But if it makes you feel better, then that article has served its purpose.
I certainly wont use that poorly written article as a compass. Butvthen again, my agenda isnt to justify anything.
I just let the facts be the guide and I chanfe my behavior accordingly as I learn more.
Ice cream is super high in sugar. It is not healthy in any amount. Will it kill you to eat once in a small dose? Of course not. But neither will heroin. Repeated abuse is the problem.
FiReFTW
Legend
And theres absolutely nothing unhealthy about sugar, sugar is fuel and energy, athletes eat a ton of sugar in all forms.
Also
Avoiding specific foods or food groups without a rational reason is one of the defining characteristics of orthorexia nervosa, and is common in people with binge eating disorder and anorexia.(93-95)
R1FF
Professional
Or just look back at the past 50 years as evidence.
But I like your suggestion. Let’s take a random poll from people who skim headlines for their nutritional advice & subscribe to 50 yr old studies funded by the sugar industry. Most people of which are likely overweight or malnourished themselves. And let’s let the mob decide who is healthiest LOL.
I’d also like everyone to list the medications they’re on. Considering that 60% of American men suffer from low T. Or how about all the people on anti-depressants? That doesnt bode well for the majority in this thread, or their nutritional habits.
R1FF
Professional
I have rational reason. You have poorly written articles.
Sugar is but one form of fuel. And it is a poor one that has health consequences.
Do not confuse glucose with sugar in ice cream. You’re really showing how shallow you’ve dove into this topic.
FiReFTW
Legend
Athletes eat a ton of sugar and they are perfectly healthy, and theres alot of performance benefits to sugar as proven by science compared to not eating sugar.
R1FF
Professional
Perfectly healthy? Wrong.
The performance benefits of sugar have been debunked chief. There’s a reason the US military is going keto. The US cycling team did as well.
But if you wanna ride the insulin roller coaster, go for it.
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