Official Wilson Clash thread

liriel · Jan 11, 2020

Hey all, TagUrIt I'll PM you again because you all seem passionate. While reading some of the pages I've come to the conclusion that some of the critiques are perfect for me - I don't play well, like easy power (I found a lot of power and nice control), don't have health issues but I'm fragile enough to like "frame for old people". I couldn't demo L - 280g version but I had lots of fun and no pain with the regular Clash so I'd stick to it.
I was back on forth on Babolat PD and Clash sometimes felt I had more power with Clash but controlled and easier on the arm and easier to swing even though Clash was 10g heavier (if it's possible).
I'm posting this because I'll string it with Babolat VS touch, no hybrid for my first strings. (Would I see the difference between multi like NXT and Natural Gut)?
Caveat is - I probably played with dead poly. Power and control were perfect though. Less powerful racquets were a bit too underpowered while PD Aero the ball was sailing long. So I need to tell them how to string, in kgs, what's the happy medium for natural gut? Before I thought I was all "power" so wanted very low and now I need happy medium

I don't want to lose control which I had with the demoed version. Nor the power! Special feel is a nice bonus. I promise it'd be my (almost) last question!

vanworth · Jan 11, 2020

Bought two 98 Clashes, had a hit with my friends light version and even liked hitting with that so figure the weightier rackets will be even better.

liriel · Jan 11, 2020

22 or 23 kg with natural gut strings? anyone? (as short as possible

TagUrIt · Jan 11, 2020

liriel said:
22 or 23 kg with natural gut strings? anyone? (as short as possible

I think that’s fine. The best string setup is the one YOU like the most.

liriel · Jan 11, 2020

I never chose myself it's my first time.. Would you go for 22 or 23 personally? (remembering I'm way less powerful than you).

TagUrIt · Jan 11, 2020

I would say 23. It’s not a poly, so you can go on the higher side.

SPMoney · Jan 11, 2020

I’ve settled in on Luxilon ALU rough strung at 42 lbs in my Clash 100 Tour. I love this setup. But I’m still toying with the idea of trying Kevlar mains and zyex monogut crosses. Has anyone tried this in their Clash? I once loved that setup in my old ProStaff LS.

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liriel · Jan 11, 2020

TagUrIt said:
I would say 23. It’s not a poly, so you can go on the higher side.

Thank you!

Btw which bag did you choose? From the Clash line or another?

(I don't need the huge ones with spaces for 6 racquets!)

TagUrIt · Jan 11, 2020

I actually have one of those large bags.

I also carry 4 racquets, clothes, shoes, etc. It’s one of those situations where you don’t think you’ll need it, but really appreciate it when you have the space. If you’re only carrying two racquets and shoes, maybe look into a backpack. They’re a nice option if you don’t want to lug around a big tennis bag.

Erhard · Jan 11, 2020

liriel said:
22 or 23 kg with natural gut strings? anyone? (as short as possible

See #1,186

String Job Wilson Clash 100
Stringing Machine: Tecnifibre Ergo Pro ATP

Mains: Babolat VS Team Gauge 17 / 1.25mm 23.5 kp
Crosses: Babolat VS Team Gauge 17 / 1.25mm 22.5 kp
DT: 37 kp/cm² / RDC: 64

bwongman · Jan 12, 2020

TagUrIt said:
The Wilson Clash Tour has been renamed the Wilson Clash Pro. At least according to the Wilson website. Maybe they have an actual tour version that they’re working on.

I was wondering why my racquet didn't say tour when it arrived. I thought I got the regular version because it seemed a little off spec.

netlets · Jan 14, 2020

liriel said:
Thank you! Btw which bag did you choose? From the Clash line or another? (I don't need the huge ones with spaces for 6 racquets!)

I bought the Wilson Super Tour 2 Clash Black/Red 9-Pack when it first came out and my son bought me the Clash Duffel bag for Christmas! Woot!! Woot!! It's smaller than my Babolat 12 pack by a nice margin. I never needed all that room. If I need extra room for stuff I will bring my duffel to a tournament and put extra shirts, etc. in it.

netlets · Jan 14, 2020

TagUrIt said:
On of my first experiences with The Clash Tour was stringing it with Luxilon Smart at 48lbs. I absolutely hated the setup. The racquet was literally like a slingshot, it almost made me return my racquet. I had it restrung Alu Power and really enjoyed playing with it. Now I have it set up with gut/poly.

I liked my Clash Tour at 44 lbs with Luxilon Smart, but after the first few hours I started to dislike it. I tried Luxilon Alu Power Soft at 45 and like it, but will most likely settle in with Hyper G soft if it ever comes out. Much less money and no big difference in playability IMO.

netlets · Jan 14, 2020

sleepyeg said:
Please let me know how it works out for you. I just cut out hyper G 17 at 48/46 on my clash 98. Felt too boardy. Hyper g 17 48/46 is magical on my dr98.

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Yep - too tight. Full bed at 45 would work - I tried it on my Clash Tour and liked it.

netlets · Jan 14, 2020

TagUrIt said:
The Wilson Clash Tour has been renamed the Wilson Clash Pro. At least according to the Wilson website. Maybe they have an actual tour version that they’re working on.

Not sure that this is true. The specs certainly don't match up with the Clash Tour. They were more in line with the Clash 100.

TagUrIt · Jan 14, 2020

netlets said:
Not sure that this is true. The specs certainly don't match up with the Clash Tour. They were more in line with the Clash 100.

I wanted to be sure, so I contacted a representative from Wilson and they confirmed it. The Clash Tour is now the Clash Pro.

WNB93 · Jan 14, 2020

liriel said:
Thank you! Btw which bag did you choose? From the Clash line or another? (I don't need the huge ones with spaces for 6 racquets!)

I made the mistake of first buying a small bag just for the racket but the hassle of also always carrying a backpack everywhere and then also a shoe bag was just too much. I regretted not going for a bigger bag straight away.
I would suggest to get one with a shoe compartment and an isolated compartment for drinks.

toby55555 · Jan 15, 2020

WNB93 said:
I made the mistake of first buying a small bag just for the racket but the hassle of also always carrying a backpack everywhere and then also a shoe bag was just too much. I regretted not going for a bigger bag straight away.
I would suggest to get one with a shoe compartment and an isolated compartment for drinks.

I think they are bringing the six racket version out this year.

WNB93 · Jan 15, 2020

toby55555 said:
I think they are bringing the six racket version out this year.

Great! That's what I've been waiting for.

liriel · Jan 15, 2020

I'm loving my Clash 100 with natural gut!
Thank you all!The bought I bought is for 6 racquets.. I have an issue though..
I want to buy the second one. My friend wanted to help me get a discount (to my despair). Basically they told him at the shop that natural gut is the least durable, isn't worth the money and they recommend Wilson NXT. Not to mention they also told they don't string natural gut since it's expensive and can't do it properly as it often breaks when they string it.
I'll have to change a shop. Out of curiosity, could you compare NXT to natural gut?

grip · Jan 16, 2020

Talking about Wilson's quality control try googling "Wilson quality control tennis time". A guy weighed 10 new clash frames and they all were within 3g of each other(static weight). They obviously were all from the same production batch. I'm sure it would be a different story if you didn't buy them all at once.

toby55555 · Jan 16, 2020

liriel said:
I'm loving my Clash 100 with natural gut!
Thank you all!The bought I bought is for 6 racquets.. I have an issue though..
I want to buy the second one. My friend wanted to help me get a discount (to my despair). Basically they told him at the shop that natural gut is the least durable, isn't worth the money and they recommend Wilson NXT. Not to mention they also told they don't string natural gut since it's expensive and can't do it properly as it often breaks when they string it.
I'll have to change a shop. Out of curiosity, could you compare NXT to natural gut?

Gut is perfectly easy to string and is more durable than NXT by far, it is also more powerful and personally I have never been able to play with it. I’ve tried multis and gut with my Clash but have found they lack control, the racket needs poly in my book and fortunately this is the first racket that I’ve been able to use with poly with zero arm issues (YPTP 44lbs)

skeeter · Jan 16, 2020

toby55555 said:
Gut is perfectly easy to string and is more durable than NXT by far, it is also more powerful and personally I have never been able to play with it. I’ve tried multis and gut with my Clash but have found they lack control, the racket needs poly in my book and fortunately this is the first racket that I’ve been able to use with poly with zero arm issues (YPTP 44lbs)

Gut/poly to help keep some level of power but with manageable control?

toby55555 · Jan 16, 2020

skeeter said:
Gut/poly to help keep some level of power but with manageable control?

Didn’t work for me but worth a try.

TagUrIt · Jan 16, 2020

skeeter said:
Gut/poly to help keep some level of power but with manageable control?

For me it’s an ideal setup. Nice balance of spin, power and control.

5th_league · Jan 16, 2020

Hi all, I'm playing recreational tennis and I'm 44 years old....now I have Yonex Ezone DR98 (1 yellow and 1 blue) and I was mostly satisfied with the power and control since I have problems with the tennis elbow - so I really need to have the racquet with the low flex rating.
The only problems with Yonex are :
1) I cannot play defensive style with these 2 Yonex racquets against any aggresive players - each time, Yonex is "asking" to play aggresively back too, what I cannot do against better recreational players than me
2) I think these 2 Yonex have smaller sweet spot so I really need to hit the ball every time at the center - what I can't do so I need larger sweet spots, I guess also 98-inch is a problem with Yonex too

Do you think Wilson Clash would solve my 2 problems above?
I would appreciate honest & experiences feedback, thanks...

Flying_Axe · Jan 16, 2020

5th_league said:
Hi all, I'm playing recreational tennis and I'm 44 years old....now I have Yonex Ezone DR98 (1 yellow and 1 blue) and I was mostly satisfied with the power and control since I have problems with the tennis elbow - so I really need to have the racquet with the low flex rating.
The only problems with Yonex are :
1) I cannot play defensive style with these 2 Yonex racquets against any aggresive players - each time, Yonex is "asking" to play aggresively back too, what I cannot do against better recreational players than me
2) I think these 2 Yonex have smaller sweet spot so I really need to hit the ball every time at the center - what I can't do so I need larger sweet spots, I guess also 98-inch is a problem with Yonex too

Do you think Wilson Clash would solve my 2 problems above?
I would appreciate honest & experiences feedback, thanks...

I have played with ezone 98, clash 100 and 98 only.
For question one, it depands on what kind of defense you are seeking for. Clash 100 lacks some plow through to block with pace, but twist weight is pretty high, so it doesn't twist in my hand. That is saying by swinging low to high I can creat a high trajectory to buy me time, though hard to block back linearly.
For question 2, Clash 100 has very generous sweet spot, larger than ezone 98 in my opinion. Clash 98 has a little smaller sweet spot than 100, cannot compare it with ezone.
Overall, I suggest to demo Clash tour and 98. The 295g one is a little bit too light, but if you do customization, it is a great platform

sleepyeg · Jan 16, 2020

5th_league said:
Hi all, I'm playing recreational tennis and I'm 44 years old....now I have Yonex Ezone DR98 (1 yellow and 1 blue) and I was mostly satisfied with the power and control since I have problems with the tennis elbow - so I really need to have the racquet with the low flex rating.
The only problems with Yonex are :
1) I cannot play defensive style with these 2 Yonex racquets against any aggresive players - each time, Yonex is "asking" to play aggresively back too, what I cannot do against better recreational players than me
2) I think these 2 Yonex have smaller sweet spot so I really need to hit the ball every time at the center - what I can't do so I need larger sweet spots, I guess also 98-inch is a problem with Yonex too

Do you think Wilson Clash would solve my 2 problems above?
I would appreciate honest & experiences feedback, thanks...

To be honest, I don't think change of rackets will help you. I would spend that money on lessons/fitness coach to help with your footwork instead.

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5th_league · Jan 17, 2020

Thanks...my current Yonex racquets have unstrung weight 305g-310g so Clash has to be similar unstrung weight, so I see only Wilson Clash 100 Tour is 310g unstrung weight.

Wilson Clash 100 Pro (Tour) Racket | Tennis Warehouse Europe

www.tenniswarehouse-europe.com

Regular Wilson Clash 100 with unstrung weight 295g looks too light then compared to current Yonex racquets and I would prefer to avoid any customizations there...

Wilson Clash 100 Racket | Tennis Warehouse Europe

www.tenniswarehouse-europe.com

And I agree, my footwork has to be improved too

+ I plan to use Black 1.25/17 Volkl Cyclone on Wilson Clash 100 Tour for great spin...any experiences with that combination perhaps? Maybe thinner Volkl Cyclone would be better?!

racquetcollector · Jan 17, 2020

If you are 3.5-4.0, definitely try clash tour 100, which is the game changer, jewel of the clash family.

tonylg · Jan 17, 2020

5th_league said:
Thanks...my current Yonex racquets have unstrung weight 305g-310g so Clash has to be similar unstrung weight, so I see only Wilson Clash 100 Tour is 310g unstrung weight.

Wilson Clash 100 Pro (Tour) Racket | Tennis Warehouse Europe

www.tenniswarehouse-europe.com

Regular Wilson Clash 100 with unstrung weight 295g looks too light then compared to current Yonex racquets and I would prefer to avoid any customizations there...

Wilson Clash 100 Racket | Tennis Warehouse Europe

www.tenniswarehouse-europe.com

And I agree, my footwork has to be improved too

+ I plan to use Black 1.25/17 Volkl Cyclone on Wilson Clash 100 Tour for great spin...any experiences with that combination perhaps? Maybe thinner Volkl Cyclone would be better?!

The Clash 98 is in your spec range too. I have both the Tour and 98 and have used the Tour once in the last month.

OlivierJulienB · Jan 17, 2020

tonylg said:
The Clash 98 is in your spec range too. I have both the Tour and 98 and have used the Tour once in the last month.

Do you mean Clash 98 is better for you ?

How do they compare (control, power, spin, feel, tolerance) ?

tonylg · Jan 17, 2020

OlivierJulienB said:
Do you mean Clash 98 is better for you ?

How do they compare (control, power, spin, feel, tolerance) ?

Yes, I definitely prefer the 98.

Control - 98>>>>Tour
Power - Tour>98
Spin - Tour>98
Tolerance would be equal. The Tour has the bigger sweet spot, but I can't give it when the edge when the 98 is much more predictable.

vanworth · Jan 18, 2020

Tried Cyclone 17 not loving it. I don’t think shaped poly suits outdoor British conditions at this time of year though. Going to try a Sensation and Gut Power hybrid today. Also added some weight to the 98 to get it to 350g and 9pts HL. Let’s see if that helps.

AlexCross · Jan 18, 2020

I‘m struggling between regular and tour. Used 300g Babolat before so regular Clash would be the natural choice I guess (with some lead in the head, which I did with the Babolat as well). However the Tour plays very well, no issues with my arm but I am afraid what happens in longer matches (only played with the tour 30 minutes).

JOSHL · Jan 18, 2020

AlexCross said:
I‘m struggling between regular and tour. Used 300g Babolat before so regular Clash would be the natural choice I guess (with some lead in the head, which I did with the Babolat as well). However the Tour plays very well, no issues with my arm but I am afraid what happens in longer matches (only played with the tour 30 minutes).

At least there’s always the option of adding weight to the reg, which is what I did and it played great. You can’t really take weight off the tour.

weelie · Jan 18, 2020

sleepyeg said:
Please let me know how it works out for you. I just cut out hyper G 17 at 48/46 on my clash 98. Felt too boardy. Hyper g 17 48/46 is magical on my dr98.

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Finally got to try it, we played a doubles league match that we lost. Worked well enough, but the jury is still out, need to have more time hitting from the baseline. Never won against these guys anyways, it was a good match for us. Serves worked well, net play OK although I felt I was framing more often than usual.

Anyway, Kevlar Zyex 27kg/19kg on it now (we assumed 24kg poly would work... converted to Kev/ZX split tension, where as my previous racket (specs below) is 26kg for poly and for Kev/ZX 29kg/20kg). Thinking of adding a little lead to the hoop. Stock it is specwise close to my previous racket in some ways... same frame width, similar SW, ... but 100 instead of 102, 20g lighter (~335g vs 353g) and more muted. I now have two overgrips (instead of one in the match) on the Clash tour, as 3/8 with single overgrip (and my usual widened grip end) it felt too small in my hand, ...that added maybe 5g.

vanworth · Jan 19, 2020

vanworth said:
Tried Cyclone 17 not loving it. I don’t think shaped poly suits outdoor British conditions at this time of year though. Going to try a Sensation and Gut Power hybrid today. Also added some weight to the 98 to get it to 350g and 9pts HL. Let’s see if that helps.

Much much better with rounded strings for me. Feels like a Pure Aero 98 with more comfort. Was getting some pain on serve but am sure I can iron that out with some work on technique, I have found this is a more physically demanding racket than the DR98 in terms of strength so have dropped the weight a few pounds to around 340 total. I'm not talking comfort here but more arm strength.

I feel the Clash 98 is a great racket for pulling out a winner or getting back on top of a point when you are scrambling and on the defence. It takes a little more work to hit consistent winners when on the front foot though but once that is dialed in I feel you can hit bigger winners. I'm going to try RS Lyon at 22kg next as that is my favourite string in the DR98 and I think it will work very well for the Clash 98.

billfoc · Jan 19, 2020

5th_league said:
Thanks...my current Yonex racquets have unstrung weight 305g-310g so Clash has to be similar unstrung weight, so I see only Wilson Clash 100 Tour is 310g unstrung weight.

Wilson Clash 100 Pro (Tour) Racket | Tennis Warehouse Europe

www.tenniswarehouse-europe.com

Regular Wilson Clash 100 with unstrung weight 295g looks too light then compared to current Yonex racquets and I would prefer to avoid any customizations there...

Wilson Clash 100 Racket | Tennis Warehouse Europe

www.tenniswarehouse-europe.com

And I agree, my footwork has to be improved too

+ I plan to use Black 1.25/17 Volkl Cyclone on Wilson Clash 100 Tour for great spin...any experiences with that combination perhaps? Maybe thinner Volkl Cyclone would be better?!

I used to play with dr98 in autumn until i had an arm injury.Now i mainly play with clash 100.More manoevrability ,more power ,more comfort,less control .When i play against heavy players i allways come back to yonex.In yoonex you just aim and the ball goes in the target.You can easily change angles.But in clash i found new shots to play with more spin.Additionaly in clash volkl cyclone doesnt fit, it seems like it looses all its flexibility.

5th_league · Jan 21, 2020

Thanks.... but I'm really not sure why are you saying that Clash loses all its flexibility if Volkl Cyclone is used ?! It should be quit opposite...

Volkl Cyclone 17/1.25 String - Tennis Warehouse

www.tennis-warehouse.com

Volkl Cyclone Tour 1.25/17 String | Tennis Warehouse Europe

www.tenniswarehouse-europe.com

billfoc · Jan 21, 2020

5th_league said:
Thanks.... but I'm really not sure why are you saying that Clash loses all its flexibility if Volkl Cyclone is used ?! It should be quit opposite...

Volkl Cyclone 17/1.25 String - Tennis Warehouse

www.tennis-warehouse.com

Volkl Cyclone Tour 1.25/17 String | Tennis Warehouse Europe

www.tenniswarehouse-europe.com

Thats my personal experience.the raquet played muted and there was not this uniqe vibration when hitting the ball.

tlm · Jan 22, 2020

I’m using the clash 100 light because I found that this one has the best control of the clash line. Although I have added weight so it close to the regular clash 100, I’ve went through a bunch of different string set ups and the best for me we’re nxt power at 58 lbs. or Signum Pro Micronite at the same tension. Both of those play well in the clash, also full ALU plays good But my best set up is Pro Supex blue gear 16 gauge with ALU 17 gauge cross.

This set up is great very good spin with excellent control, I can take big swings and still keep the ball in with this set up. Having good control is my first priority and a lot of people say the clash lacks control which can be true until you dial in the correct string set up. I just love the feel of this racket very comfy with a unique feel.

netlets · Jan 22, 2020

racquetcollector said:
If you are 3.5-4.0, definitely try clash tour 100, which is the game changer, jewel of the clash family.

I would say Clash 100 Tour is for 4.5 and higher, unless the 4.0 plays with nice spin - good modern technique.

weelie · Jan 22, 2020

weelie said:
Finally got to try it, we played a doubles league match that we lost. Worked well enough, but the jury is still out, need to have more time hitting from the baseline. Never won against these guys anyways, it was a good match for us. Serves worked well, net play OK although I felt I was framing more often than usual.

Anyway, Kevlar Zyex 27kg/19kg on it now (we assumed 24kg poly would work... converted to Kev/ZX split tension, where as my previous racket (specs below) is 26kg for poly and for Kev/ZX 29kg/20kg). Thinking of adding a little lead to the hoop. Stock it is specwise close to my previous racket in some ways... same frame width, similar SW, ... but 100 instead of 102, 20g lighter (~335g vs 353g) and more muted. I now have two overgrips (instead of one in the match) on the Clash tour, as 3/8 with single overgrip (and my usual widened grip end) it felt too small in my hand, ...that added maybe 5g.

Had a 1h match yesterday... started with the Clash tour (two overgrips and added flare, but otherwise stock). Balls were sailing on me. So switched back to my old Head Graph S 102 and got the control back. I guess I need to go to (Crossfire ZX 17) 29kg/20kg (regular 20% stretch on the zyex), which is the same as on the Head 102, or some cheap soft poly at 26kg. Also realized that the 16x19 around the center of the racket is tighter on the Head than on the Clash Tour, don't know if that makes any difference. Tempted to go for the Clash 98 now, actually.

mchardwick · Jan 23, 2020

for 2020- the clash tour has become the clash pro.....any differences in the 2019 tour version and 2020 pro version????

skeeter · Jan 24, 2020

I've been using a gut/poly in the Clash 98; feels great but the gut may be a bit too powerful, even as a hybrid. Anyone try other poly hybrids (full poly for me is not kind to my arm) that have worked? I can always up the tension a bit (currently 52/48), and working on my topspin probably wouldn't hurt either, but curious what others my be using.

weelie · Jan 25, 2020

skeeter said:
I've been using a gut/poly in the Clash 98; feels great but the gut may be a bit too powerful, even as a hybrid. Anyone try other poly hybrids (full poly for me is not kind to my arm) that have worked? I can always up the tension a bit (currently 52/48), and working on my topspin probably wouldn't hurt either, but curious what others my be using.

This may have been beaten to death already, but I would suggest you check Crossfire ZX (Kevlar + Zyex) hybrid (with large differential), there is a looong thread already about it. I used to play soft poly, elbow issues, moved to Crossfire zx 17 a couple of years ago... to me it has the poly spin and control, with comfort and feel of more traditional strings. Not available in reels, though.

billfoc · Jan 26, 2020

I just strung my 100 with oehms black pearl rough 1.21 in 22 kilos.More spin more comfortable more power than YPTP 1.20 but same string movenent.We ll see how it holds all this characteristics.

Wheelz · Jan 28, 2020

Got to hit with my Clash (after a while) but for the first time strung with Babolat Pro Hurricane (@55). I seemed to remember a high launch angle (but at least spin was easy to come by) and sometimes tougher to control, but with that setup didn't feel that as much. Control was pretty good, but I'd like to continue to test it with different hitters. I have tried before Alu soft, Hyper G (that was good, great when fresh) and tour bite soft on that frame. Is the Hurricane considered lower power ? more round shaped than the other strings ?

vanworth · Jan 28, 2020

I defo think rounded strings offer more control in the 98s I have tested. Infact the control is very good when considering these are not noodle frames. Kind of what I always wanted from a Pure Aero but never really got, along with arm comfort of course. I like the racket a lot on returns and serves, two areas of my game that have improved since switching. Also it is very good on defensive back foot shots where you can lash out and hit winners or at the very least get back on top of the rally from an out of court position.

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