There is no rule saying a player who hits somebody MUST be disqualified

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
Everything you said is correct, but I am concerned for you. The emotions shouldn't replace the discussion about what is good for the game.
Because you are always such a fair, objective poster who never gets in people's faces for almost nothing about once a day? Really?!?

Give me a break. I'm a guy on the internet. You're a guy on the internet. You don't really know me, I don't really know you, and the idea that you are "concerned for me" is a total crock.

This is about what is good for the game, and nothing that happened today is good for tennis.
 
Because you are always such a fair, objective poster who never gets in people's faces for almost nothing about once a day? Really?!?

Give me a break. I'm a guy on the internet. You're a guy on the internet. You don't really know me, I don't really know you, and the idea that you are "concerned for me" is a total crock.

This is about what is good for the game, and nothing that happened today is good for tennis.

I said that I see in your statement a lot of emotions that shouldn't be there for such a trivial thing as a sports forum, and I have always maintained the idea that I treat respectfully people that treat me the same way. Sad to read that from you, but then again, as you said, you are just a guy on the internet, and I don't owe you anything.

:cool:
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
So the tournament uses officials as billboards, and disqualifies people who form Associations. Shame on the USTA!

Lief Sharaf has just clarified that the sponsors have insisted that the line judges are used on the 2 show courts because of advertising their merchandise.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
What you see is affected by the "beam" you have in your own eye!

I said that I see in your statement a lot of emotions that shouldn't be there for such a trivial thing as a sports forum, and I have always maintained the idea that I treat respectfully people that treat me the same way. Sad to read that from you, but then again, as you said, you are just a guy on the internet, and I don't owe you anything.

:cool:
 

AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
At this point I think I hate almost everyone in this insane forum.

I've never been a Djokovic fan, and I'm certainly not now. I don't want to see him get the slam record. I'm a Fed fan and have been for years.

But my GOD, I didn't want to see him lose his chance at the record in this manner. I wanted to see him beaten by someone, fair and square. Not lose in this manner.

It's obvious to anyone who is not an SOB that he didn't mean to hit anyone.

All of you who are cheering at what happened to Novak should be ashamed of yourselves. This is horrible for tennis, horrible for the tournament. No one wins from this. If anything it points out the stupidity of an antiquated system that we don't even need any more. If what happened was truly dangerous then the same thing could happen 100 times in every match.

Get rid of lines people once and for all, use Hawkeye or whatever the call the system now. Move into the 21st century.

Then start knocking off points and games for ALL temper tantrums.

About the only top player I've not seen make one of these dick moves is Nadal, also by the way not my favorite player.

For any real tennis fan what happened today should be a depressing event and not a time for either celebration or throwing mud.

And, by the way, if you are a Djokovic fan and are trying to claim he didn't do anything wrong, you are just as crazy as the people who are taking joy in what happened.

I'm just sick about what happened because it's been an awful year for all of us, and this tournament was starting to be something good in a nightmare year for sports. Now there is a horrible stain on the men's side and everyone is going to wonder if someone could stop a man who was so far undefeated this year. NOTHING GOOD WILL COME OF THIS INCIDENT.

Not a fun loss at all but Noel had it coming considering he hits balls out of frustration regularly. Now he pays the price. If he hit the woman on the throat, DQ is right. Ideally she shouldn't have been there in the first place given the use of electronic line calling but it is what it is.
 

jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
Butt hurt thread. Deal with it. Djok could've killed that woman. He's an angry and dangerous man and should not be on any tennis court.
He could have killed that woman with this ball?!


If you can die if you are hit by a ball going 20-30 mph, then you probably shouldn't be in a line of work where balls fly around at 100+ mph
 

jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
Not a fun loss at all but Noel had it coming considering he hits balls out of frustration regularly. Now he pays the price. If he hit the woman on the throat, DQ is right. Ideally she shouldn't have been there in the first place given the use of electronic line calling but it is what it is.
Frustratingly dumb because he's come so close on so many other occasions but never learned the lesson. TBH not even the most egregious instance of him doing this that I've seen, and of course it happens to hit somebody in his best Slam draw in years
 

WhiskeyEE

G.O.A.T.
I just watched a couple angles of it and it's pretty pathetic he was DQ'd for that. Lines woman needs to grow a pair.
 

AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
Frustratingly dumb because he's come so close on so many other occasions. TBH not even the most egregious instance of him doing this that I've seen, and of course it happens to hit somebody in his best Slam draw in years

Yeah, my point too. Djokovic has hit balls in anger hundreds of times in his career. Not really surprising or unlucky he finally hit someone doing that. What's unlucky is that it happened at this particular tournament given the opportunity - maybe it works for the common good reminding players that hitting balls out of play with any extra pace is a pretty bad idea. His fault anyway. "Novak, you're a goddamn idiot" was my first reaction and still is.
 

alexio

G.O.A.T.
Not a fun loss at all but Noel had it coming considering he hits balls out of frustration regularly. Now he pays the price. If he hit the woman on the throat, DQ is right. Ideally she shouldn't have been there in the first place given the use of electronic line calling but it is what it is.
ерунда это все, где написано что в глотку все пиздец дисквалифай сразу? ..все зависело от ее реакции, можно и попасть в голову и посмеяться и играть дальше, в глаз тоже можно было попасть, то как она упала именно это и было причиной, страдания и боль, попало бы в шею и она бы не упала, по сути одно и то же было б,
 
I'll not be surprised if the lineswoman is exposed as a Nadal fangirl

Disgusting decision and slam is asterisked with the best player ousted bia nefarious means
 

AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
ерунда это все, где написано что в глотку все пиздец дисквалифай сразу? ..все зависело от ее реакции, можно и попасть в голову и посмеяться и играть дальше, в глаз тоже можно было попасть, то как она упала именно это и было причиной, страдания и боль, попало бы в шею и она бы не упала, по сути одно и то же было б,

Ну а чего ты хочешь от старушки-пенсионерки. Можно сказать, что пенсионерам не место на корте, но такова реальность, с которой Джокович согласился своим участием в турнире.
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
I said that I see in your statement a lot of emotions that shouldn't be there for such a trivial thing as a sports forum.
What should or should not be here is none of your busine
Not a fun loss at all but Noel had it coming considering he hits balls out of frustration regularly. Now he pays the price. If he hit the woman on the throat, DQ is right. Ideally she shouldn't have been there in the first place given the use of electronic line calling but it is what it is.
No questions about the DQ. It was immediately obligatory and had to happen. But think about the eventual winner. Will he always have to live with the result of knowing the guy who was undefeated was eliminated in a fluke? Wouldn't any true fan have preferred to see Novak rightfully defeated in a close match? Or even having to default because of a physical problem from playing?

I have no idea who will eventually win this open, but I was personally hoping someone other than the Big 3 would prevail. Now with Rafa not even here, Fed still questionable even in the future and Novak DQed, the whole thing for me becomes like a Masters with 5 sets instead of 3. It's inevitable that the winner will have an asterisk added to his name, not officially, but in the minds of fans. If the winner then prevails again in the future, in full fields, then the win will probably ultimately be vindicated.
 

racquetreligion

Hall of Fame
For those who point out the Nalbandian or Shapovalov incidents, I will leave the videos here. Hopefully you can appreciate the difference between what they did, and what happened here

Shapovalov hit a ball at 80-90 mph straight into the umpire's eye socket. He had to go to the hospital:

Nalbandian kicked a wooden board loose, hitting the linesman on the shin, drawing blood:

And what happened here:

There was hardly any anger or intent, this kind of thing is done by every player
but having so much on your mind shows what I predicted all along.
To win under this self imposed pressure under this tyranny is simply a miracle.

The old bleached thing pretended she was dying FFS it was nothing but
the snowflakes on this board just show how weak and controlled their
mass media minds are to anything sensible or logical.
She should have said Im alright like my 90 plus year old granny in law
would have done after heaps of incidents with her age.

soft bellied mutton harden up stop being such little nancies
 

jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
No questions about the DQ. It was immediately obligatory and had to happen.
I mean, it didn't have to happen... But as soon as she went down on the ground the chances for a different outcome became remote. In a different world where this hits her on the shoulder and she just shrugs it off we probably would've had threads saying Novak should have been disqualified and was given preferential treatment
 

AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
No questions about the DQ. It was immediately obligatory and had to happen. But think about the eventual winner. Will he always have to live with the result of knowing the guy who was undefeated was eliminated in a fluke? Wouldn't any true fan have preferred to see Novak rightfully defeated in a close match? Or even having to default because of a physical problem from playing?

I have no idea who will eventually win this open, but I was personally hoping someone other than the Big 3 would prevail. Now with Rafa not even here, Fed still questionable even in the future and Novak DQed, the whole thing for me becomes like a Masters with 5 sets instead of 3. It's inevitable that the winner will have an asterisk added to his name, not officially, but in the minds of fans. If the winner then prevails again in the future, in full fields, then the win will probably ultimately be vindicated.

I kind of see this in the same boat as retiring because of a physical injury, only the cause is mental rather than physical. Lack of discipline, giving himself the leeway to hit angry balls. Normally nothing happens but not this time.

I'm sure whoever wins this will end up winning more slams in the future, so it will be fine. Of course you could ask if they could win any at all if not for this title giving them confidence, but then we move to the terriitory of diminishing Fedovic's RG titles because Nadal was injured.
 

Swingmaster

Hall of Fame
What should or should not be here is none of your busine

No questions about the DQ. It was immediately obligatory and had to happen. But think about the eventual winner. Will he always have to live with the result of knowing the guy who was undefeated was eliminated in a fluke? Wouldn't any true fan have preferred to see Novak rightfully defeated in a close match? Or even having to default because of a physical problem from playing?

I have no idea who will eventually win this open, but I was personally hoping someone other than the Big 3 would prevail. Now with Rafa not even here, Fed still questionable even in the future and Novak DQed, the whole thing for me becomes like a Masters with 5 sets instead of 3. It's inevitable that the winner will have an asterisk added to his name, not officially, but in the minds of fans. If the winner then prevails again in the future, in full fields, then the win will probably ultimately be vindicated.
Everything is flukey. Federer had an open court to win Wimbledon. Nope, a few inches off. Djoker mightve gone out with an injury today, anyway. There have been a handful of fairly recent finals affected by injury. Would Stan have beaten Nadal?Is injury an acceptable kind of fluke? Was Fed’s French Open worth less? What a boring post I’m sending here, I just realized.
 

Zoolander

Hall of Fame
OP is right. Even the wording of the rule is clear. There was no intent and it certainly wasnt dangerous or reckless hitting of the ball. Careless, yes, but thats not immediate DQ.

If the previous one that he smashed into the courtside had hit someone then yep, that was a DQ. But this was pretty weak
 

hoodjem

G.O.A.T.
I understand the reason for disqualifying but taking all the other points that he won fair and square in the tournament is completely unjustified and unjustifiable. Anything to hurt his ranking by hook or by crook right? :rolleyes:
This part is not a judgement call. It is specified exactly in the rule book:

T. DEFAULTS
The Referee in consultation with the Grand Slam Chief of Supervisors may declare a default for either a single violation of this Code or pursuant to the Point Penalty Schedule set out above.
In all cases of default, the decision of the Referee in consultation with the Grand Slam Chief of Supervisors shall be final and unappealable.

Any player who is defaulted as herein provided shall lose all ranking points earned for that event at that tournament and may be fined up to the prize money won at the tournament in addition to any or all other fines levied with respect to the offending incident.
 
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Nope, Bedene should have been disqualified too. Nothing that Novak did was gentle, he hit the ball hard out of frustration. Before you come in with it wasn't hard, tell that to the woman who couldn't breathe for moments and was knocked to the ground.

Agree about Bedene. A lot of people have been saying "then why wasn't Bedene DQ'd?". The answer is that he absolutely should have been.
 

Candide

Hall of Fame
Lets be very clear. If a FOOTBALL player would hit a referee with the ball with no ill intention, first of all: the chances of the referee falling down will be almost zero. Second of all, after a couple of minutes at most, the game would resume as if nothing had happened and the player won't be sanctioned whatsoever.
Let's be clear. If a football player petulantly kicked the ball in the direction of an official and it hit them in the face/throat - then intentionally or unintentionally they would be gone. How do I know? Because I've seen it happen. Any "violent behaviour" such as kicking the ball at someone (even if it does not hit them) is a cardable offence. Players have been sent off for just putting their hands gently on the referee - it's a no go zone. Djokovic was way in the wrong and the punishment fits the crime. It wasn't intentional but it was petulant and reckless and to be honest he has plenty of form in this area.

 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
It's a different kind of sport, and a team one at that. Why wasn't the team disqualified? Sending off is a small penalty. The team just plays defensively for the duration.

Let's be clear. If a football player petulantly kicked the ball in the direction of an official and it hit them in the face/throat - then intentionally or unintentionally they would be gone. How do I know? Because I've seen it happen. Any "violent behaviour" such as kicking the ball at someone (even if it does not hit them) is a cardable offence. Players have been sent off for just putting their hands gently on the referee - it's a no go zone. Djokovic was way in the wrong and the punishment fits the crime. It wasn't intentional but it was petulant and reckless and to be honest he has plenty of form in this area.

 

racquetreligion

Hall of Fame
Nice attempt to change facts and violent irreponsible actions of the guilty.
what? snowflake like ewe would end up in hospital from such a fairy kiss
what happened to those pretenders of men that are now even proud
to soccer dive any chance they get. Guts and strength will be fossilised
in the history books with this pandemic of shemales.
 

Candide

Hall of Fame
There was hardly any anger or intent, this kind of thing is done by every player
but having so much on your mind shows what I predicted all along.
To win under this self imposed pressure under this tyranny is simply a miracle.

The old bleached thing pretended she was dying FFS it was nothing but
the snowflakes on this board just show how weak and controlled their
mass media minds are to anything sensible or logical.
She should have said Im alright like my 90 plus year old granny in law
would have done after heaps of incidents with her age.

soft bellied mutton harden up stop being such little nancies

Wow, that's a super impressive level of toughness you've got on display there, anonymous internet guy. I'm ever so impressed.

cf7.jpg
 
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brinkeguthrie

Hall of Fame
The United States Tennis Association issued a statement saying that Friemel defaulted Djokovic "in accordance with the Grand Slam rulebook, following his actions of intentionally hitting a ball dangerously or recklessly within the court or hitting a ball with negligent disregard of the consequences."

They had no choice. He handed them the DQ on his racquet.
 

the Nadal hits child in the head with angry and unrealistic ROS attempt, the ball REALLY hitting her in the head HARD.

Nothing happens for the Mutant. No DQ. No fine.
Same as nothing happens when everyone knows he is on enought PED's to kill an elephant.

LOL at how the little girl didn't go down after that brutal hit, yet that vile old karen went down like Simo Hayha shot her, then put on a ridiculous and kamp expression of fear.
Lmao. I wouldn't put it past some Djokovic fans here to find out where she lives and...well...end her.
 

Valdez737

Rookie
For those who point out the Nalbandian or Shapovalov incidents, I will leave the videos here. Hopefully you can appreciate the difference between what they did, and what happened here

Shapovalov hit a ball at 80-90 mph straight into the umpire's eye socket. He had to go to the hospital:

Nalbandian kicked a wooden board loose, hitting the linesman on the shin, drawing blood:

And what happened here:

yea they should deff be ban and the guy who kick the old guy should be ban for a years what's the 3rd Vid dont wana play. That ball to the eye was crazy hard
 

jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
Nope, Bedene should have been disqualified too. Nothing that Novak did was gentle, he hit the ball hard out of frustration. Before you come in with it wasn't hard, tell that to the woman who couldn't breathe for moments and was knocked to the ground.
I would not call this gentle, but it certainly wasn't violent either. It was like a feed
 

PilotPete

Hall of Fame
I would not call this gentle, but it certainly wasn't violent either. It was like a feed

It could have been a lot worse if it hit her flush in the eye even at that speed. That's the point. That's why it's so serious, not because of what actually happened, but what could have happened. That's why players can get mad and break their racquets on the ground, but they can't propel dangerous objects at other people when the ball isn't in play.
 

amoguga

New User
Hit a ball with anger and injure someone and you're done..plain and simple. Djokovic got exactly what he deserved. He knows it and all of you that are trying to split hairs know it too.
 
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