Vliegen on Cañas!

Batoussai · May 31, 2007

Vliegen in his (dutch) press conference this week, after his win over Gasquet:

V: Cañas can play 10 hours... I can't play ten hours...

V: I don't like those people. It are the rules that when you do your time after being caught you can come back... But still I don't like those people.

V: It's an extra motivation for me to beat Cañas...

Some years ago, in 2005, Vliegen said something in the Belgian Press that he thought there was something fishy about Cañas and Puerta in their Semi-Final.

V: See I was right when I said they were doped...

So Vliegen hates Cañas' guts and he'll beter watch out because every ball will be coming 10km/h faster than normal...

GO VLIEGEN!

Ruud · May 31, 2007

i love that guy Vliegen. And hope he wins but i doubt it. Canas should be banned for ever. I think they should do that to everyone who uses drugs in tennis, soccer, basketball and so on

Jonny S&V · May 31, 2007

Ruud said:
i love that guy Vliegen. And hope he wins but i doubt it. Canas should be banned for ever. I think they should do that to everyone who uses drugs in tennis, soccer, basketball and so on

This has been discussed many times, and I do happen to believe that he accidentally took his wife's (GF?) medication on accident. Besides, they found that it was a masking agent, not actual juice. The fact that Canas was able to beat Federer twice in a months time is proof that he didn't mean to take the drugs.

Rhino · May 31, 2007

Cañas and Puerta played in the quarterfinal, 2005. In retrospect it's a match I'd quite like to see.
These comments do add a bit of spice to Cañas vs Vliegen, I'll look out for that one.

Andres · May 31, 2007

Maybe he's just pissed cause he has never defeated Cañas.
0-2, and most likely, a 0-3 after tomorrow

Batoussai · May 31, 2007

Nah, he's pissed because he hates people who use doping...

Very clean sportsman who cares about fairplay!

nikdom · May 31, 2007

Jonny S&V said:
This has been discussed many times, and I do happen to believe that he accidentally took his wife's (GF?) medication on accident. Besides, they found that it was a masking agent, not actual juice. The fact that Canas was able to beat Federer twice in a months time is proof that he didn't mean to take the drugs.

Get your facts straight. Canas was given cough/throat medicine by a tournament doctor at a tournament in Mexico that contained diuretics. Diuretics are medicines that induce increased urination and are used by dopers to mask the use of performance enhancing drugs. Canas successfully appealed the sentence on the basis that he did not take those drugs voluntarily and it was given to him by none other than a tournament director. The ATP still fined him with 15 months suspension because a player is responsible for taking meds even if others give it to him.

Rhino · May 31, 2007

^^^here we go again, Cañas honest or cheater, the battle rages on. *yawn*

nikdom · May 31, 2007

Rhino said:
^^^here we go again, Cañas honest or cheater, the battle rages on. *yawn*

I'm not discussing *WHETHER* he cheated or not, just the *STORY* surrounding it.

In other words, for people like Rhino that have poor comprehension skills, here's the dumbed-down explanation of what I said - "NOT GIRLFRIEND'S MEDICINE, DOCTOR GIVE MEDICINE"

malakas · May 31, 2007

Rhino said:
Cañas and Puerta played in the quarterfinal, 2005. In retrospect it's a match I'd quite like to see.
These comments do add a bit of spice to Cañas vs Vliegen, I'll look out for that one.

Ditto.This just makes the match more interesting.

Baghdatis72 · May 31, 2007

Canas will crush Vliegen for his childish accusations (if they are indeed true).

Batoussai · May 31, 2007

Rhino said:
^^^here we go again, Cañas honest or cheater, the battle rages on. *yawn*

Yeah Pointless... Everybody has a different opinion... But Vliegen thinks he was doped and it will be very interesting to see him getting pumped to beat Cañas...

Jonny S&V · May 31, 2007

nikdom said:
Get your facts straight. Canas was given cough/throat medicine by a tournament doctor at a tournament in Mexico that contained diuretics. Diuretics are medicines that induce increased urination and are used by dopers to mask the use of performance enhancing drugs. Canas successfully appealed the sentence on the basis that he did not take those drugs voluntarily and it was given to him by none other than a tournament director. The ATP still fined him with 15 months suspension because a player is responsible for taking meds even if others give it to him.

Sorry, wrong doper. Who was it that I was thinking of then?

ACE of Hearts · May 31, 2007

Vliegen will beat Canas.I am telling u.

malakas · May 31, 2007

Baghdatis72 said:
Canas will crush Vliegen for his childish accusations (if they are indeed true).

or Vliegen will be extra fired up about this match,and kick Canas out in 3!

nikdom · May 31, 2007

If Canas gets to the semis and so does Federer, it'll be interesting to see how Federer handles him.

Will he wilt under added pressure to avenge his earlier defeats? Will he step up and punish Canas for the earlier debacles?

I haven't seen Canas play thus far in the tournament, but if he does get to the semis, I think Roger might have to step it up a notch and bring his A game. (Which is about what he would need for the semis anyways)

Andres · May 31, 2007

Vliegen will be lucky to take 15 games off Cañas.
6-3, 6-4, 6-2. Straight sets for Willy

Richie Rich · May 31, 2007

Jonny S&V said:
Sorry, wrong doper. Who was it that I was thinking of then?

mariano puerta

Jonny S&V · May 31, 2007

Richie Rich said:
mariano puerta

Thank you. That was bothering me for the last 15 minutes.

J-man · May 31, 2007

He was doped so what! Get the hell over it. Some people continue to dwell on past things which don't make a damn difference when they step out on the court.

Batoussai · May 31, 2007

J-man said:
He was doped so what! Get the hell over it. Some people continue to dwell on past things which don't make a damn difference when they step out on the court.

So What???

That's a disgrace being doped, and we should care because those people ruin sports...

Heavy Metal Tennis Star · May 31, 2007

if canas should be banned forever, then so should that white ***** karatencheva.

crazysoccer00 · May 31, 2007

Jonny S&V said:
TThe fact that Canas was able to beat Federer twice in a months time is proof that he didn't mean to take the drugs.

I don't quite follow your logic...

Baghdatis72 · May 31, 2007

malakas said:
or Vliegen will be extra fired up about this match,and kick Canas out in 3!

If Vliegen

beats Canas

then Canas better not appear in public again.

Jonny S&V · May 31, 2007

crazysoccer00 said:
I don't quite follow your logic...

Well, when you come back to the tour after a 15 month layoff and you win one of the first tourneys you play (I think it was Buenos Aires), and then less then a month later you beat Roger Federer in a tourney that he has won the past 3-4 years (can't remember which one) and has a 50+ win streak on American soil. Then 3 weeks later, you beat him again and make it to the finals of a Masters Series Tourney. Then you go to Barcelona and you make another final, I'd say my logic isn't that far fetched.

jmverdugo · May 31, 2007

Vliegen has a very big mouth and always does child comments, I think it was at Rome or Monaco that he got to play Nadal a Vliegen said that everybody knows how Nadal plays and it was not going to be hard to beat him (Nadal), but he almost got bagelled, Im pretty shure he will lose to Willy...

crazysoccer00 · May 31, 2007

Jonny S&V said:
Well, when you come back to the tour after a 15 month layoff and you win one of the first tourneys you play (I think it was Buenos Aires), and then less then a month later you beat Roger Federer in a tourney that he has won the past 3-4 years (can't remember which one) and has a 50+ win streak on American soil. Then 3 weeks later, you beat him again and make it to the finals of a Masters Series Tourney. Then you go to Barcelona and you make another final, I'd say my logic isn't that far fetched.

So, according to you, beating a great player PROVES that you didn't mean to take the drugs?

Jonny S&V · May 31, 2007

crazysoccer00 said:
So, according to you, beating a great player PROVES that you didn't mean to take the drugs?

No, I am saying that he obviously has the talent to play at the top level without the help of doping (assuming that he is clean now, which he probably is).

ChipNCharge · May 31, 2007

Heavy Metal Tennis Star said:
if canas should be banned forever, then so should that white ***** karatencheva.

Legolas, I agree. Any player caught cheating should be banned forever. However, if this were the case Argentina probably wouldn't have enough players to field a Davis Cup team.

Andres · May 31, 2007

ChipNCharge said:
Legolas, I agree. Any player caught cheating should be banned forever. However, if this were the case Argentina probably wouldn't have enough players to field a Davis Cup team.

Acasuso, Zabaleta, Monaco, Nalbandian, Calleri, Gaudio, Del Potro, Prieto, Berlocq, Hartfield, Vasallo-Argüello and Roitman.

That sounds like a very good Davis Cup team. Specially Acasuso-Nalbandian-Calleri-Del Potro-Monaco and Prieto for the doubles.

ChipNCharge · May 31, 2007

Andres Guazzelli said:
Acasuso, Zabaleta, Monaco, Nalbandian, Calleri, Gaudio, Del Potro, Prieto, Berlocq, Hartfield, Vasallo-Argüello and Roitman.

That sounds like a very good Davis Cup team. Specially Acasuso-Nalbandian-Calleri-Del Potro-Monaco and Prieto for the doubles.

Uh, yeah. Other than Nalbandian and Gaudio, I'm not sure if I've ever heard of any of those guys. Sorry, I just don't hear much about Argentina tennis in the news, except when an Argentine is busted for cheating or for spitting at an opponent.

LarougeNY · May 31, 2007

Andres Guazzelli said:
Acasuso, Zabaleta, Monaco, Nalbandian, Calleri, Gaudio, Del Potro, Prieto, Berlocq, Hartfield, Vasallo-Argüello and Roitman.

That sounds like a very good Davis Cup team. Specially Acasuso-Nalbandian-Calleri-Del Potro-Monaco and Prieto for the doubles.

I say Nalby and gaudio (if he gets back to form) for singles and calleri and canas for doubles. They'd definitely win over almost any country.

And Go canas! He's taking out vliegen in 3.

Andres · May 31, 2007

ChipNCharge said:
Uh, yeah. Other than Nalbandian and Gaudio, I'm not sure if I've ever heard of any of those guys. Sorry, I just don't hear much about Argentina tennis in the news, except when an Argentine is busted for cheating or for spitting at an opponent.

Calleri, Cañas, Monaco and Nalbandian are Top40.

Heavy Metal Tennis Star · May 31, 2007

ChipNCharge said:
Uh, yeah. Other than Nalbandian and Gaudio, I'm not sure if I've ever heard of any of those guys. Sorry, I just don't hear much about Argentina tennis in the news, except when an Argentine is busted for cheating or for spitting at an opponent.

del potri is pretty good, shades of safin in him.

Heavy Metal Tennis Star · May 31, 2007

lol chip, u still remember legolas.

Heavy Metal Tennis Star · May 31, 2007

ChipNCharge said:
Legolas, I agree. Any player caught cheating should be banned forever. However, if this were the case Argentina probably wouldn't have enough players to field a Davis Cup team.

lol chip, u still remember my old self, legolas.

malakas · May 31, 2007

Baghdatis72 said:
If Vliegen

beats Canas

then Canas better not appear in public again.

Appearance doesn't matter!!
Like this guy.

Would you believe he's number 1 and only last week beat with a bagel this guy?

Baghdatis72 · May 31, 2007

malakas said:
Appearance doesn't matter!!
Like this guy.

Would you believe he's number 1 and only last week beat with a bagel this guy?

Of course because the man above looks wise and reminds me of Jack Sparrow on that photo

Boja · May 31, 2007

It's funny how people are so enraged about Canas' infraction even though the facts are clear that this agent was in a medicine given to him by and ATP trainer.

Even if he did dope on purpose (which he obviously did not!) shouldn't he deserve a second chance? People are acting like he killed someone.

I hope Canas beats Vliegen easily.

Fedace · May 31, 2007

Vliegan is going down in 3 sets. Canas is in best shape of his life, playing best tennis of his life, how can he possibly lose?

malakas · May 31, 2007

Baghdatis72 said:
Of course because the man above looks wise and reminds me of Jack Sparrow on that photo

I strive to see any similarity

diegaa · May 31, 2007

whats up with the smiley at the title?

oscar_2424 · May 31, 2007

Batoussai said:
Vliegen in his (dutch) press conference this week, after his win over Gasquet:

V: Cañas can play 10 hours... I can't play ten hours...

V: I don't like those people. It are the rules that when you do your time after being caught you can come back... But still I don't like those people.

V: It's an extra motivation for me to beat Cañas...

Some years ago, in 2005, Vliegen said something in the Belgian Press that he thought there was something fishy about Cañas and Puerta in their Semi-Final.

V: See I was right when I said they were doped...

So Vliegen hates Cañas' guts and he'll beter watch out because every ball will be coming 10km/h faster than normal...

GO VLIEGEN!

willy will kick that guy's ass

35ft6 · May 31, 2007

Ruud said:
i love that guy Vliegen. And hope he wins but i doubt it. Canas should be banned for ever. I think they should do that to everyone who uses drugs in tennis, soccer, basketball and so on

They'd be banning a lot of people. I'm one who believes that drugs and doping are much more common in sports than we're lead to believe. I still hear body builders deny using steroids.

RMB · May 31, 2007

Ruud said:
i love that guy Vliegen. And hope he wins but i doubt it. Canas should be banned for ever. I think they should do that to everyone who uses drugs in tennis, soccer, basketball and so on

Well, the '"drug" you are talking about was given to him by none other that the ATP itself!!!!

Baghdatis72 · May 31, 2007

malakas said:
I strive to see any similarity

They are the same person ^_^

oscar_2424 said:
willy will kick that guy's ass

Damn straight!

oscar_2424 · May 31, 2007

both of them look gay.

Baghdatis72 · May 31, 2007

oscar_2424 said:
both of them look gay.

Rofl :lol:

Federer has the edge though (as always)

edberg505 · May 31, 2007

Fedace said:
Vliegan is going down in 3 sets. Canas is in best shape of his life, playing best tennis of his life, how can he possibly lose?

I dunno, maybe the same way he lost in Rome and Hamburg. To be honest, I don't think it's left entirely up to him wether he wins or loses. He has to hope and pray that his opponent isn't on that day and hitting their shots.

David L · May 31, 2007

nikdom said:
Get your facts straight. Canas was given cough/throat medicine by a tournament doctor at a tournament in Mexico that contained diuretics. Diuretics are medicines that induce increased urination and are used by dopers to mask the use of performance enhancing drugs. Canas successfully appealed the sentence on the basis that he did not take those drugs voluntarily and it was given to him by none other than a tournament director. The ATP still fined him with 15 months suspension because a player is responsible for taking meds even if others give it to him.

Wrong. A lot of misinformation flying around. This has all been debated before, below. Canas lost his appeal, the original decision was upheld. He was never able to supply any proof to support his story, but the ATP generously gave him the benefit of the doubt out of compassion and reduced the duration of his ban. Also, the ATP did not supply the medicine he claims he took.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=126299

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