Lew II
G.O.A.T.
So did who thought the Earth is round some centuries ago.
Being popular doesn't make you right.
Djokovic on hardcourt > Nadal on clay?
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Being popular doesn't make you right.
Phoenix1983
G.O.A.T.
Yes, because that's obviously an exact analogy to Nadal and Novak Djokovic's relative superiority on clay and hard courts.
Sunny014
Legend
As if anyone can beat Nadal by re-strategizing ?
Nadal every year comes and wins the barcelonas, monte carlos types along with FO.
He is that damn good, there are no off days, there is no lapse of form that ok he won barcelona and MC so he wont win french or he wins french or doesnt win the other ones.....
So whatever strategy you do, he will bulldoze you.
Why ?
Because he is the GOAT (on clay), thats why.
He is just BETTER everyday.
His 2nd highest gear on clay would be higher than the highest possible gears of his opponents, thats how good he is and when pushed to the limit he has extra gears too that he is yet to unlock ...... there is no beating him.
CYGS
Legend
Why not? more incentive to be a clay specialist than hard given that there would be more slams to be won.
Sunny014
Legend
So you cannot score in maths and yet you say "Hey, I will write the paper twice and will top it twice" ???
Nadal's competition are unable to beat him even once in an year, the clay courters from spain and other countries who grew up on clay have no answer to hi brutal power and topspin and yet you expect federer or novak to come up with some special formula to beat him if they played more on clay ?
Naa ..... not happening.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
What else is new?
mike danny
Bionic Poster
OP, the poll options are wrong. Instead of 'No', it should be 'Hell No.'
CYGS
Legend
That’s the current setting - if the number of clay slams increases, the incentive to be a clay specialist increases and thus the clay competition improves. Simple human behavior.
Sunny014
Legend
Nadal is so great apart from 13 Frenchs he has 11 Barcelona, 11 MC and 9 Rome.
Playing multiple tournaments in the clay season he wins them all back to back to back to back and you think more clay slams will make others win ?
Ha Ha Ha
Dude, thanks your stars that there are no 2 slams on Clay.
Or else Nadal would have been the Slams leader FOR SURE, Federer would have remained behind Nadal and Djoker a distant 3rd.
Novak is lucky his fav turf is HC where there are 2 attempts an year and on Grass nobody born after 1990 knows how to play on it.
Sunny014
Legend
Novak already is at an advantage with 2 HC slams an year.
If there were 2 Clay Slams an year instead of HCs (US Open being the HC slam played and Aus becomes clay)
Rafa - 30-32 Slams
Federer - 15 Slams
Djokovic - 8-9 Slams
If there were 2 Grass Slams an year instead of HCs
Federer - 23 Slams
Nadal - 17 Slams
Djokovic - 12-13 Slams
If there were 2 Clay Slams an year instead of HCs (US Open being the HC slam played and Aus becomes clay)
Rafa - 30-32 Slams
Federer - 15 Slams
Djokovic - 8-9 Slams
If there were 2 Grass Slams an year instead of HCs
Federer - 23 Slams
Nadal - 17 Slams
Djokovic - 12-13 Slams
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CYGS
Legend
Doesn't address anything I said.
CYGS
Legend
Humans are known to react if the incentive system changes. Learn pyschology 101.
RS
Bionic Poster
Players would improve but they won’t all of sudden be as good as Nadal on clay.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Ummm, HC is much tougher to dominate than clay and grass.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
lol
ADuck
Legend
Many players have dominated hard and grass courts, only 2 have dominated clay, so no.
If clay would be main surface like HC, there would be different results.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Well, it wouldn't necessarily be the case though. There are 2 HC slams and Rafa still hasn't exactly dominated on HC, so don't see why that would change with clay.
If there's a second clay slam with Hamburg like clay, then yeah, Rafa could be more vulnerable there. Same way the HC slams are different to one another.
LoveTheGreatOne
Semi-Pro
Delete your account, please.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Oh great, he's back
Checkmate
Legend
Statistician Lew is dead serious about this topic.
It doesnt make sense to concentrate mostly on surface which has least tournaments and only one slam. But yes Nadal did that and made successful career, but probably will end as second best. Djokovic and Federer playing smarter tennis, but still all 3 players are insteresting.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
GOATY
Try again
Beckerserve
Legend
It is laughable.
RelentlessAttack
Hall of Fame
lmfao in your dreams lewis
RelentlessAttack
Hall of Fame
if there were two slams on clay Nadal would have roughly 26 of them and the entire tour would have retired in despair
NoleIsBoat
Hall of Fame
Nadal on clay is better, but it’s closer than you think. His clay competition has been a joke compared to Novak’s HC and grass comp.
Turning Federer and Djokovic into jokes is BOATy.
NoleIsBoat
Hall of Fame
Their weakest surface. Djokovic was more respectable, reaching 5 set and winning in 2015. Federer was owned by baby Nadal over and over.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Insisting they're anywhere close to each other should be a bannable offense honestly
Gluten-free Djoko ate a bagel.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Antonio Puente
Hall of Fame
One thing is certain: if there were a second clay slam, Nadal wouldn't have a 3-5 slam final record in it.
JoelSandwich
Hall of Fame
Nadal would have like 50 slams if two slams were on clay
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Deleted member 688153
Guest
no lol
also dal has more slams with only one available per year while djok has two lmao
also dal has more slams with only one available per year while djok has two lmao
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Sunny014
Legend
Not 50 ... he would have close to 30
On Grass and HCs he is significantly weaker than Federer + Djokovic, so in a 2 slams scenaio the other 2 slams would be fast, Nadal would not win in the presence of them.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
Ban something you disagree with? You're so open to dialogue...
titoelcolombiano
Legend
lol - no
Rafa has lost twice in 16 years at RG, has won the one slam 13 times and also has ridiculous title counts at Monte Carlo, Barcelona and Rome.
Rafa has lost twice in 16 years at RG, has won the one slam 13 times and also has ridiculous title counts at Monte Carlo, Barcelona and Rome.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
I know that. But I'd like some people to address the competition argument.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
With two clay Slams most players would be claycourters, therefore the competition would be higher on clay and lower and hardcourts.
Djokovic might have 13 AO titles and Nadal might have a 3-5 score in finals at one of the clay Slams, as far as we know.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
It's 7 a.m here.Lew, go to bed
MichaelNadal
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