Imagine if you are Koepfer in this situation

Jokervich

Jokervich

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He must be so annoyed. Lost to Federer, only for Federer to withdraw pretty much straight after the match and give Berrettini a walkover. Who knows whether Koepfer could have beaten Berrettini and then maybe given Djokovic a tricky match. Federer most likely knew he was going to withdraw mid-way through the tournament as well, which makes it even worse - using RG as "practice" (disrepectful to the tournament) and screwing over whichever opponent he played, in this case Koepfer.

What do you think? It's not a good move to make in my opinion. If he wanted practice, he could have found a smaller tournament I'm sure, or just skipped RG and played Halle.
 
I Am Finnish

I Am Finnish

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Krish872007 said:
If I was Koepfer, I would ashamed of rewatching the video clip of me crossing over to the opponents side and spitting on a line. As well as spitting incessantly throughout the match.
And I'd also be pretty annoyed at failing to beat someone who made 63 unforced errors
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skip1969

skip1969

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Koepfer had his chances last night, against an error machine. He blew it. Too bad for him.

Why do some of you people act as though you've never seen a retirement/walkover/withdrawl between rounds before? It's not a big deal. Misfortune for one player and a lucky break for the other.
 
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Hamnavoe

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When a player withdraws from a tournament it makes sense to put the player who they defeated into the next round, but the defeated player should not receive the points that their conqueror would have.

So Federer should get the 180 4R points but Koepfer with 90 points should be allowed to play the 4R match, and, should he win, get the 360 quarter-final points.
 
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ChrisRF

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Hamnavoe said:
When a player withdraws from a tournament it makes sense to put the player who they defeated into the next round, but the defeated player should not receive the points that their conqueror would have.

So Federer should get the 180 4R points but Koepfer with 90 points should be allowed to play the 4R match, and, should he win, get the 360 quarter-final points.
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I don’t see any reason why this should be done. Koepfer lost in R3, and just like any other R3 loser he won’t play R4.
 
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Gerco

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He had his chance, was playing great, Roger was gassed but let him get back into the match. Great effort by Roger though..
 
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ChrisRF

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Hamnavoe said:
Players pull out of tournaments all the time and lucky losers are allowed into the draw in their place. In what way would this be any different?
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This is only in the first round. The qualification doesn’t count as the real tournament but rather as method to reach the field of 128 players. Another method are wildcards, which also go to players who shouldn’t really play. So a Lucky Loser is kind of a wildcard player.

But you cannot go further. Imagine a SF player who straight-setted his opponent pulls out of the final because of let’s say a practice injury on the next day. Wouldn’t feel right to have the loser play the final then.
 
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Coulnd't Fed at least wait another day...he still had 1 night of recovey. Depriving the fans of a potential Djoko-Fed clash just because he was tired is very disappointing. At least we get Tsitsipas - Medvedev QF
 
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Hamnavoe

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ChrisRF said:
This is only in the first round. The qualification doesn’t count as the real tournament but rather as method to reach the field of 128 players. Another method are wildcards, which also go to players who shouldn’t really play. So a Lucky Loser is kind of a wildcard player.

But you cannot go further. Imagine a SF player who straight-setted his opponent pulls out of the final because of let’s say a practice injury on the next day. Wouldn’t feel right to have the loser play the final then.
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Points are awarded for qualifying just as they are for main tournament matches, and it's played on the same courts in front of the same people with everybody looking to progress in the same tournament.

An advantage of putting the previous round's loser through would also be to give any fans who had tickets to the match a chance to actually see play rather than be disappointed.

I don't have much to say beyond that so we will probably have to agree to disagree.
 
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Arak

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I think it’s the organizers fault. They had him play a late night match in very slow conditions against a fierce opponent. Had the match taken place in daytime, it would be straight sets for Federer and he wouldn’t have retired.
 
NAS

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Arak said:
I think it’s the organizers fault. They had him play a late night match in very slow conditions against a fierce opponent. Had the match taken place in daytime, it would be straight sets for Federer and he wouldn’t have retired.
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I said it before and will say again, Novak and Fed both would have loved to play on SL instead of PC in daytime.
I seriously don't want any night match for Novak
SL is really helping the strong servers, Med fired today 14 ace
 
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Arak

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NAS said:
I said it before and will say again, Novak and Fed both would have loved to play on SL instead of PC in daytime.
I seriously don't want any night match for Novak
SL is really helping the strong servers, Med fired today 14 ace
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Exactly. And Federer’s serve was totally ineffective in these conditions. They definitely will not suit Djokovic either.
 
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Sorry_to_tell_you_mate

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Hamnavoe said:
When a player withdraws from a tournament it makes sense to put the player who they defeated into the next round, but the defeated player should not receive the points that their conqueror would have.

So Federer should get the 180 4R points but Koepfer with 90 points should be allowed to play the 4R match, and, should he win, get the 360 quarter-final points.
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No, it doesn't. I would set a dangerous precedent. Top guys would come to an agreement with pesky low-ranked guys gitfing them a guaranteed win in a tanked encounter as long as they withdraw after that. These journeymen would get the points and the money and the top guys will get the spot in the next round without breaking a sweat.
 
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Arak

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To tell you the truth, I went to bed last night at the end of the second set. I thought it was all finished. I was shocked to find out he won when I checked the score in the morning. I’m happy he taught that ahole a lesson, but it was obvious it would be his last match at FO21.
 
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Hamnavoe

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Sorry_to_tell_you_mate said:
No, it doesn't. I would set a dangerous precedent. Top guys would come to an agreement with pesky low-ranked guys gitfing them a guaranteed win in a tanked encounter as long as they withdraw after that. These journeymen would get the points and the money and the top guys will get the spot in the next round without breaking a sweat.
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That's an interesting point.
 
alexio

alexio

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it doesn't matter already what fed does after the match, he lost fair and square, end of story
 
bnjkn

bnjkn

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He was schooled. He's tennis is very limited. Pretty much a ball basher, and not a very good one at that.
 
SardinesForDinner

SardinesForDinner

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Koepfer lost. If he didn’t wanna feel so gutted maybe he should have focused on winning the match instead of spitting at ball marks.

Also #1 ”straight after” = the day after when he has had time to know how his body reacted.

Also #2 If Federer withdrew before his match against Koepfer, haters would have complained and said he should have retired before his second round match against Cilic. And if he retired before that one people would have felt oh so sorry for giant slayer Istomin. And if Federer wouldn’t have showed up you’d all ask for retirement LOL ”why does he even practice if he doesn’t bother playing”.
 
ghostofMecir

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Jokervich said:
He must be so annoyed. Lost to Federer, only for Federer to withdraw pretty much straight after the match and give Berrettini a walkover. Who knows whether Koepfer could have beaten Berrettini and then maybe given Djokovic a tricky match. Federer most likely knew he was going to withdraw mid-way through the tournament as well, which makes it even worse - using RG as "practice" (disrepectful to the tournament) and screwing over whichever opponent he played, in this case Koepfer.

What do you think? It's not a good move to make in my opinion. If he wanted practice, he could have found a smaller tournament I'm sure, or just skipped RG and played Halle.
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He had his chance to beat a 40 year old man who has barely played in 18 months and has had 2 knee surgeries. He couldn't. Additionally, he acted like a dick while losing.
 
El_Yotamo

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No, if I were Koepfer I'd be upset at myself for losing. Of course if I were Zverev then yeah I'd find anyone else to be mad at and blame
 
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PilotPete

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Koepfer lost didn't he? He had 0 chance of beating Berettini, since he lost the previous. When you lose a match at a slam, you are removed from the tournament, in case you didn't know.
 
Sudacafan

Sudacafan

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Jokervich said:
He must be so annoyed. Lost to Federer, only for Federer to withdraw pretty much straight after the match and give Berrettini a walkover. Who knows whether Koepfer could have beaten Berrettini and then maybe given Djokovic a tricky match. Federer most likely knew he was going to withdraw mid-way through the tournament as well, which makes it even worse - using RG as "practice" (disrepectful to the tournament) and screwing over whichever opponent he played, in this case Koepfer.

What do you think? It's not a good move to make in my opinion. If he wanted practice, he could have found a smaller tournament I'm sure, or just skipped RG and played Halle.
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Would you take offense on me if I say your OP is absolute nonsense?
 
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Crazy Finn

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All Koepfer had to do was win 2 more sets to get to the 4th round.

Couldn't do it, doesn't deserve to be there.

I'm sure Fed didn't enter RG assuming he'd withdraw 3 rounds. I'm sure he thought he'd play until he lost or felt it was unwise to continue. Since the latter happened after 3 rounds, he withdrew.

The original question is silly. Who cares how Koepfer felt, he lost.
 
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