Forehanderer
Professional
If you didn't want to respond, why respond then
Wimbledon forced to defend “dangerous” courts
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Bartelby
Bionic Poster
I didn't respond to his question.
If you didn't want to respond, why respond then
Forehanderer
Professional
Why do you have to have the last word in. Does it satisfy your ego that "I told him". If that's what you want, go ahead
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
What is "irrelevant" to the topic is your ignorant snub to the notion that those players may have worked extraordinarily hard to prepare for the tournament to see conditions beyond their expectations. Many of those fine pro athletes may not be in the position to just "skip the tournament". Would you not come to your office for the day, if you knew the floor was wet? Would you not come to work, if that meant you would not make money for that day?
Now, I believe that just about every pro tennis player has an insurance policy as much as the Wimbledon has one for itself. The authorities that approved Wimbledon's lab grass must have one fine carefully drafted insurance policy as well. Who is liable for the embarrassingly slippery grass conditions should not be decided by us.
right, let's blame the grass for ATP and ITF closing both eyes to:
- introduction of poly strings
- rackets with ever bigger head size
- rackets with ever increase stiffness
Forehanderer
Professional
Wet grass is slippery
. Oh my we should put a disclaimer on the big screen that it is slippery out there. Gimme a break. This is how it was and it will continue to be. Deal with it. Even Djokovic and Federer didn't blame Wimbledon on this issue. I'm more likely to take tennis related information from them than arm chair experts like you. As usual, you are resorting to different tangents. First it was playing on ice and now work place is wet. Stick to tennis Bart playing tennis?
with so much arguing on this board, I'd expect that Bart doesn't play ANY tennis in real life
Unintelligent! Here is your break. Wet grass is wet, as you say, but it dries in a timely fashion as the water gets absorbed. On the other hand, some lab grass does not dry well for it is genetically modified not to accept as much water as some other (more natural) grass does. Having GM grass that does not need regular watering is very convenient but also risky as this kind of grass may not only keep the natural moisture or drizzle on itself, it may differ in its consistency. Ignoring those facts about such GM grass is despicable, given that we have our great heroes and the finnest sport on the planet Earth affected to a dangerous extent.Wet grass is slippery
Players have always slipped at Wimbledon, nothing new. The only thing new is that, now they can play when the air is full of moisture, because of the roofs.
They are adults, who know full well of the risks involved, and are handsomely compensated. If the risks are too great for them, then don't play. Many others are only too willing to replace them, and assume the risks.
Athletes playing numerous other sports on grass fields also assume the same risks, even in pouring rain. The amateurs among them are not even paid a penny. Jesus, need everyone be treated like babies?
They are adults, who know full well of the risks involved, and are handsomely compensated. If the risks are too great for them, then don't play. Many others are only too willing to replace them, and assume the risks.
Athletes playing numerous other sports on grass fields also assume the same risks, even in pouring rain. The amateurs among them are not even paid a penny. Jesus, need everyone be treated like babies?
Forehanderer
Professional
Hey intelligent one, check your spelling first. Rest of your post is just mind numbing nonsense. Fail
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
I haven't played since covid. And not only do I play tennis, but I paid for all my own tennis lessons. I didn't have parents funding me.
congrats Bart!
now, would you mind telling to all the interested members of this forum how much experience with playing tennis on grass do you have?
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
And if there is moisture in the air, then it will also fall onto the grass.
The idea of 'voluntary responsibility of risk' is no excuse for irresponsible management.
The idea of 'voluntary responsibility of risk' is no excuse for irresponsible management.
should clay courts be banned?
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Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Risk minimisation is the name of the game, not risk elimination.
should clay courts be banned?
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Cupcake
Hall of Fame
This is the bottom line - the courts are too slippery for today's elite players.
Tne players are more important than the pretty green grass.
tennis tom
Legend
Ask for a refund, find a coach who knows how to teach tennis--you got taken.
tennis tom
Legend
The grass is your friend :
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Woodforde is a hero. Woodbridge not so much. Woodforde won't even talk to him. Obviously you'd like him.
No, the older generations of players were very athletic, quick as rabbits. Take a look at the footspeed of the great players of the fifties, very quick movers, Gonzales, Sedgman, Hoad, Rosewall, Laver, Gimeno, Olmedo, Segura, they knew how to get around. The Aussies under Hopman practiced sprints and long distance running.
The weight-lifting regimes of Sedgman and Hoad were legendary.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
The players were as small as rabbits but as slow as snails. Their whirring little legs just gave the impression of speed. Grass court tennis required nimbleness but not speed.
thanks for enlightening us
can I ask you what meds are you on?
or what are you smoking?
I would like to try that stuff as well
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
I've seen many old time matches. Those guys weren't quick. They were nimble, that's all. Newcombe used to win matches with a hangover, not even Krygios can do that.
Safin as well used to win matches with a hangover
Big 3 win matches even prior to stepping on the court
I recall, not that long ago, a Nole with shoulder injury, when he could barely serve, won a few matches at USO
and in 2021, a Nole with a serious injury won AO, so I guess current pro players 'aren't quick. They are nimble, that's all', right?
Spencer Gore
Legend
Far greater skills? You must be joking.
Off topic as usual
We need the tennis instructors to teach their students how to play on grass.
A great tennis player is incomplete if he cannot play on grass, the surface which was used by the great players of the recent past and distant past.
If today's greats want to be mentioned in the same category as the historic greats, they need to develop some basic tennis skills for tennis surfaces.
If today's greats want to ignore tradition, I do not want to hear them or their supporters making any claims about how they rank in historical perspective.
If you ignore tradition, you cannot make any historical comparisons or claims.
Cupcake
Hall of Fame
All the words in the world will not make playing on grass for todays elite, exceptionally athletic players any less dangerous.
And now, more rain and showers predicted for the next 5 days. That will really help, lol.
That said, grass at Wimbledon won't change in my life-time. Since the grass wears down so quickly anyway, let people play doubles on the succulent grass for a week or so before the tournament starts. Let them flatten and bruise it a bit. Instead of what they do now - one set of light ladies'doubles.
And now, more rain and showers predicted for the next 5 days. That will really help, lol.
That said, grass at Wimbledon won't change in my life-time. Since the grass wears down so quickly anyway, let people play doubles on the succulent grass for a week or so before the tournament starts. Let them flatten and bruise it a bit. Instead of what they do now - one set of light ladies'doubles.
Cupcake
Hall of Fame
It's all well and good to say players should learn to play on grass. But reality prevents that. Exactly where are today's current pros and up-and-comers supposed to learn to play on grass? And when? And who is going to pay for it? Ivan Lendl had a grass court built at his home so he could win Wimbledon. Didn't work. Nadal has those in Mallorca. And a few others places have local grass courts, and some academies. But for the most part, for the rest of the world, there are fewer and fewer grass courts in existence. It's a dying surface, in more ways than one. We had 6 in our tennis-oriented, wealthy community, but those were bulldozed a couple decades ago. (they were fun, but the upkeep
). We have at least 7 private tennis clubs in town, some quite hoity-toity, plus several public court enclaves. There is not a single grass court at any of them. Not one.Where are younger players who don't live in moist areas (where grass can grow in summer) going to practice. And when? The grass court season is about a month long, all the other events are clay or hardcourt. The thought is pretty that grass will still be important in decades to come. But the truth is it's an anachronism.
tennis tom
Legend
7 Times You’re Better Off Going Barefoot Than Wearing Shoes
It's not possible to go barefoot all the time, but do it as often as you can!
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"Did you know that the architecture of your feet is similar to that of your hands? Your feet actually have the ability to grip, bend and reach quite a bit! Or, should we say, had the ability, because wearing shoes all the time causes your feet to lose their ability to support themselves, making them dependent on artificial support."
"Your feet have around 72,000 nerve endings, but they start to die when you wear shoes for too long."
"Your feet are covered with perioreceptors, which communicate with your brain and give it feedback about your body’s position and alignment. Wearing shoes hampers these receptors and restricts the movement of the muscles and joints in your feet and legs as well. "
"...allowing your feet to come in contact with the floor will improve your stability, increase your range of motion..."
"Your feet have around 72,000 nerve endings, but they start to die when you wear shoes for too long."
"Your feet are covered with perioreceptors, which communicate with your brain and give it feedback about your body’s position and alignment. Wearing shoes hampers these receptors and restricts the movement of the muscles and joints in your feet and legs as well. "
"...allowing your feet to come in contact with the floor will improve your stability, increase your range of motion..."
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The use of hard rubber on cement is also a tough surface to endorse, the almost universal leg/knee injuries of the pros attest to that. I would not play on a hard rubber/cement surface.It's all well and good to say players should learn to play on grass. But reality prevents that. Exactly where are today's current pros and up-and-comers supposed to learn to play on grass? And when? And who is going to pay for it? Ivan Lendl had a grass court built at his home so he could win Wimbledon. Didn't work. Nadal has those in Mallorca. And a few others places have local grass courts, and some academies. But for the most part, for the rest of the world, there are fewer and fewer grass courts in existence. It's a dying surface, in more ways than one. We had 6 in our tennis-oriented, wealthy community, but those were bulldozed a couple decades ago. (they were fun, but the upkeep
Where are younger players who don't live in moist areas (where grass can grow in summer) going to practice. And when? The grass court season is about a month long, all the other events are clay or hardcourt. The thought is pretty that grass will still be important in decades to come. But the truth is it's an anachronism.
I recommend doing the right thing, bring back grass. Money is not the only consideration.
tennis tom
Legend
HEAR, HEAR! Yup! Baseball, football, soccer, golf are all played on grass! Tennis players and club owners are generally too cheap and shortsighted to support grass courts--it's a shame most players will not experience the joy of playing barefoot on grass courts.
TheMysteryofPenguin
Rookie
Who's that ?
Crazy Finn
Hall of Fame
Here's the skill set of modern players: Forehand, Backhand (probably), 1st Serve.
Older players practiced this thing called footwork that is in fairly seriously short supply on the current tours. It doesn't matter as on hardcourts, and you can slide your way around a clay court without it, but grass in unforgiving in that way.
Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
Player's Union should be required to sign off on these court conditions before playing.
That way, we will all be spared Kyrgios' incessant whining.
coolboarder
Rookie
The complaint showed us that they needed more warm-up tournaments or longer grass court season to gain more experience on this surface. 2-3 weeks of warm-up tournaments is not enough. You'll need more time with match play rather than practice. I think that Wimbledon needs to be flexible with their tournament schedule. A mid-July start rather than end of June start would be ideal. Grass court tournament is the only surface that provides variety on this court and most often showed shots of the year on this surface more so than other surface.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
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