TRS: 2021 Cincinnati Masters 1000-general discussion

fundrazer

G.O.A.T.
Wow! Harris really should have finished off that point but that was an amazing backhand up the line from Zverev. Sprinting corner to corner and got the pass.
 

Gonzo_style

Hall of Fame
Is it still possible for Medvedev to get #1? Like say he makes the US open final and loses to Djokovic, can he still then? I've not been keeping track but i'm almost hoping he does in that specific scenario just to s*** all over how the rankings work.
If Med wins Cinci and USO and Djokovic loses before the QF in New York, Med is #1. For YE#1 is going to be tougher for him bc he will lose 1000 points from Shanghai, is defending Paris and some others small tournaments.

As you can see, both #1 and YE#1 looks unlikely for Med
 
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Harris is playing much better than I thought he would - glad that Zverev was able to win that tiebreak with no problems.

I am so not an Opelka fan - glad he's out of the tournament.

Simona Halep has withdrawn on the women's side with an injury ):
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
If Med wins Cinci and USO and Djokovic loses before the QF in New York, Med is #1. For YE#1 is going to be tougher for him bc he will lose 1000 points from Shanghai, is defending Paris and some others small tournaments.

As you can see, both #1 and YE#1 looks unlikely for Med
If Meddle loses 1K points from Shanghai then Joe Kovic would also lose his QF points that week AND his 500 points from Tokyo’19, effectively just a -320 effect on Meddle’s deficit?

This 2019 carryover and subsequent “disownment” of points is very confusing.
 

fundrazer

G.O.A.T.
Some pretty good points in this tiebreaker between Paul and Sonego. Paul just choked a fairly routine volley though.

5-4 Sonego on serve.
 
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Zverev won his match!

Now Isner and Sinner are in a second set tiebreak - if Sinner wins he wins the match, if Isner wins it goes to a third set. Come on, Sinner!
 

fundrazer

G.O.A.T.
These guys chanting for Paul in the crowd are really obnoxious. They shut up for a bit after Paul sprayed that one forehand though.

Sonego up a set and looking to go up early break to start the 2nd. Aaaaaand he does.
 
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I was really hoping Sinner could win in two straight sets. He still has a chance to win the third set though...

Really happy about Osaka's win today!!!!
 

Mark-Touch

Legend
Interesting they've got two matches scheduled for the same time, same court (3).
Round of 32·Court 3
6:15 p.m. *
O. Jabeur
6I. Świątek
Round of 32·Court 3
6:15 p.m. *
J. Pegula
12S. Halep
 
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Happy about Sonego's win but disappointed that it looks like Isner is going to defeat Sinner ):
 

fundrazer

G.O.A.T.
Welp...just got Shortsman and de Minaur left to go. No more bets for me unless I decide to hedge. Have two small parlays including these matches plus a single bet for de Minaur.

Pretty confident with de Minaur. Schwartzman maybe less so.
 

Mark-Touch

Legend
The gullible give up on a kid at 20 with every little stumble. I wasn’t here (was anybody?) before 2003 when someone who turned out to be pretty proficient had his share of defeats mixed with advances. I’m sure it would have been a forum full of shortsighted and bitter trolls with nothing better to do than cry, “Foul!”
I grant you that. I haven't seen much of Sinner yet but are implying that he might be as big as Fed some day?
You should commit one way or the other.
 
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I grant you that. I haven't seen much of Sinner yet but are implying that he might be as big as Fed some day?
You should commit one way or the other.
Why is your thinking all or nothing? He doesn't have to be as big as Federer someday to have a great career - after all, only Nadal and Djokovic are as big as Federer. Maybe Sinner will be as big as Ivan Lendl or Stefan Edberg, and have a substantial career - or perhaps not. Let it all unfold!
 

Lleytonstation

Talk Tennis Guru
I grant you that. I haven't seen much of Sinner yet but are implying that he might be as big as Fed some day?
You should commit one way or the other.
Why is your thinking all or nothing? He doesn't have to be as big as Federer someday to have a great career - after all, only Nadal and Djokovic are as big as Federer. Maybe Sinner will be as big as Ivan Lendl or Stefan Edberg, and have a substantial career - or perhaps not. Let it all unfold!
Yes, but the hype train is why people like me roll their eyes. Saying a guy has potential and is on a good path is one thing.

But people have been propping him up as a legit contender right now and a future atg. It is asanine considering all the failed players people have hyped for over a decade.

It is trollish level.
 

Mark-Touch

Legend
Why is your thinking all or nothing? He doesn't have to be as big as Federer someday to have a great career - after all, only Nadal and Djokovic are as big as Federer. Maybe Sinner will be as big as Ivan Lendl or Stefan Edberg, and have a substantial career - or perhaps not. Let it all unfold!
I agree that a Lendl/Edberg type career would be nothing to scoff at.
Tom had alluded to Fed specifically and so it led me to believe he was thinking Sinner could be another Fed.
I would never have made the statement he made, with reference to Sinner.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
I grant you that. I haven't seen much of Sinner yet but are implying that he might be as big as Fed some day?
You should commit one way or the other.
No, he has a lot more to go through before even mentioning a 1x slam winner in comparison, let alone a 20x titleist.

I’m just commenting now on how toxic this forum is to label a thread reporting the trials and tribulations in his short career as “propaganda.” If you don’t like him or his game, state your opinions but don’t lie or twist facts. Sinner is not slumping and Isner was not the favorite entering today’s match. And ATP500 Washington is not a “Mickey Mouse Clubhouse” tournament.

I said before that progress is rarely linear, especially at a tender age like 20. One of Sinner’s more frequent critics here claimed he was in a slump before today and is probably crowing about the loss today. Sinner was indeed in a slump from RG to Washington but cleaned that up with a title. Now he’s lost two of three matches. Is that even a slump to be 6-3 since his return to his preferred HCs? The last time he played the surface before Atlanta he made a M1K final. I’d give anything to be “slumping” like that. Just as I would give a fairly softball challenge here to anyone to remember the last teen to win three ATP titles (hint: one of his four as a teen was the aforementioned “Mickey Mouse Clubhouse” tournament.) Or name a current player that has gone from outside top 500 to top 15 in 2.5 years, half year wasted to factors beyond his control. That’s a real “slump.”
 

Mark-Touch

Legend
Well Korda blew that tie-break!
At 5-5, he had an easy put away at the net but allowed Tsitsi to hit a winner.

Also in the last two games alone, he missed three easy BH down the line into the net!
He doesn't seem adept at changing direction with the ball.
 

fundrazer

G.O.A.T.
I don’t see much enthusiasm here. Or is it just me?
I've been enjoying the matches, but I'm also betting which adds some extra "spice" I guess. Could have been a pretty good day for me, but Fognini had to be himself and lose to Pella. de Minaur loss didn't help either.

I think as we close in on the semis we'll see some more interest. Although at the same time a lot of folks are probably just getting ready for New York. In the grand scheme of things, a win here in Cinci probably isn't going to be a huge leap for anyone's career. And I say that expecting either Med/Tsits/Zverev to win (I'm thinking Zverev takes it all tbh). US Open is going to be the biggest story of the year now anyway with Novak going for 4 in a row.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
I've been working all day. Catching up on scores and news. USO wild cards are out.
Can’t believe Jacques Chaussette got yet another WC after quitting at 2-4 down first set in The Real Slam 1R of qualies after getting a WC into that match.

I can understand if he was a perennial second weekend achiever at Flushing but he has one 4R result five years ago.

When will this madness end?
 

Swingmaster

Hall of Fame
Can’t believe Jacques Chaussette got yet another WC after quitting at 2-4 down first set in The Real Slam 1R of qualies after getting a WC into that match.

I can understand if he was a perennial second weekend achiever at Flushing but he has one 4R result five years ago.

When will this madness end?
Howbout some dude named Sam Riffiss?
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Howbout some dude named Sam Riffiss?
That’s a tradiditional WC awarded to any American that wins the NCAA title. Do you have a problem with that of their other traditional reward that goes to the Kalamazoo Boys 18 champion? Both Riffice and Zachary Svajda have gotten in the same way many others before them. Sock is different. As I stated, Cincinnati gave him a WC into qualies, not main draw, and he didn’t finish a set. At #192, let him qualify or give him the same level reward that Cincinnati did if he failed to make the cut. Or a WC into dubs and mixed dubs. It’s outrageous to keep rewarding mediocrity that has devolved into being out-of-conditioning mediocrity.
 
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Of the 14 players I rooted for yesterday 9 of them won!

Today I like 14 of the 16 remaining players, some more than others. My 8 that I am rooting for today: Medvedev, Zverev, Tsitsipas, Schwartzman, Berrettini, Carreno Busta, Isner (only because he is playing Paire), and Isner (only because he is playing Monfils). I think most of these players will win today. I could see Hurkacz and Ruud winning though and I really like both of them too.
 
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