StrongRule
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We give credit, where it's due.......
We give credit, where it's due.......
Yeah, sure. Interesting enough, Djokovic fans get upset when someone hypes a win over even a decent version of Djokovic, forget about a bad one.
To me, his rivalry with them is better than the one they had with each other. Their rivalry pales in comparison in my opinion and is more media driven.
Basically this is what Djokovic is saying to Nadal...
The stone being the McDonald's of this world.
This comes from all fanbases, and sometimes the excuses are indeed valid. I wouldn't bring this up if Djokovic fans (and yes, THAT is done 99% of the time only by Djokovic fans) weren't trying to hype every win over an our of form opponent, no matter what. The purpose of this thread is basically to say that you don't care how terrible Nadal has been recently, Djokovic beating him 6-0 6-0 6-1 will still be epic.Some Djokovic fans, yes. But some Federer fans get upset also and bring age into it, some Nadal fans get upset also and bring injuries into it. Why are you making it out like only those that support Djokovic like to take the shine off wins over their favorite?
Djokovic and Nadal played 9 also and played 7 in a 4 year period.Fedal had 9 slam finals, all except one came in a period of 5 years.
Fedovic had 5 slam finals spreading over 11 years I think.
It is not difficult to guess which rivalry got the most attention.
This comes from all fanbases, and sometimes the excuses are indeed valid. I wouldn't bring this up if Djokovic fans (and yes, THAT is done 99% of the time only by Djokovic fans) weren't trying to hype every win over an our of form opponent, no matter what. The purpose of this thread is basically to say that you don't care how terrible Nadal has been recently, Djokovic beating him 6-0 6-0 6-1 will still be epic.
Djokovic and Nadal played 9 also and played 7 in a 4 year period.
They also played a whopping 11 Slam SFs. That's probably an Open Era record.
Yea we already know which one got the most attention.
Finals are the bigger matches but Federer and Djokovic played less finals mainly because of the draws.For casual fans and general public, semis don't cut as much as finals.
Djokodal got enough attention anyway but it came later.
Yeah, true goats forgot how to play tennis as soon as Novak started owning them.It was only in the media bc it was actually THAT good. Tennis hasn’t been on that level since.
But, but...#perpetualThey are both each other’s greatest rivals. Fedal is for the more occasional fan. But when you look at the numbers the true rivalry is revealed.
Finals are the bigger matches but Federer and Djokovic played less finals mainly because of the draws.
They are both each other’s greatest rivals. Fedal is for the more occasional fan. But when you look at the numbers the true rivalry is revealed.
Federer-Nadal and Nadal-Djokovic hit slightly better highs IMHO but couldn't keep it up as close and competitive for as long as Fedovic.Fedovic had the most interesting rivalry across all surfaces and yet have minimal respect or liking for each other so just **** all over it lol
Yea and all those matches with Federer and Djokovic at the USO were at least in the SF. 2 finals and 4 SFs.Djokovic has played Federer SIX times at USO, and some of those matches are historic
Djokovic has played Nadal THREE times at USO, all final
Federer and Nadal have played each other ZERO times at USO, yet they are the main rivals for each other.
Fascinating.
No, not at all all. Novak is at least as big a rival for Fed as Nadal is (or in both cases, was). If not bigger. Novak beat Fed more times at the slams than Nadal did (11 vs 10) and stopped him A LOT more times at Fed’s favorite slam surfaces (10 vs 4). Novak is also the only player to ever have beaten Fed at all four slams and Fed the only player to have beaten Novak at all 4 slams. Fedalovic played against each other 50 times, 10 more times than Fedal played each other. Only Nadalovic played more matchesFor Djokovic and Federer the answer simply is Nadal.
Nadal has the luxury to tease from time to time.
2-0 in their prime.I love how Novak fans throw grass in there like they’re not 2-2 against each other on the surface, with Novak’s last win 5 years ago being a 5 set nail biter.
Keep distorted and deluding, never change.
No, not at all all. Novak is at least as big a rival for Fed as Nadal is (or in both cases, was). If not bigger. Novak beat Fed more times at the slams than Nadal did (11 vs 10) and stopped him more times at Fed’s favorite slam surfaces (10 vs 4). Novak is also the only player to ever have beaten Fed at all four slams. and Fed the only player to have beaten Novak at all 4 slams. and Fedalovic played against each other 50 times, only Nadalovic played more matches
Not so long ago, Federer himself said that he played Djokovic mostly in semis. I don't think his views changed much from that after the last couple of meetings as a grandpa.
grandpa Fed easily beat Nadal at W19 but it was Novak that stopped Fed from what would have been one of his most historic achievements
LolAre you demanding that Federer mentions Djokovic as his biggest rival?
Otherwise he is lying?
He doesn't have to mention anything. The numbers tell a different story to the narrative.Are you demanding that Federer mentions Djokovic as his biggest rival?
Otherwise he is lying?
No one takes Nadal's place as my main rival ever, doesn't matter what Alcaraz does
OK, he didn't quite say those words.
Then I guess Nadal isn't a true tennis fan since he said last summer, "in a personal way, of course my personal relationship with Roger have been always great, and he's probably my greatest rival."Nadal’s main rival is Federer to the casual, his main rival is Djokovic to the true tennis fan.
Because he essentially dominated Federer, and thought that he would dominate the field..........Then I guess Nadal isn't a true tennis fan since he said last summer, "in a personal way, of course my personal relationship with Roger have been always great, and he's probably my greatest rival."
https://tennisbuzz.net/roger-federer-is-my-greatest-rival-and-i-am-missing-him-admits-rafael-nadal
In tennis there is a surface called clay and where one of the four Grand Slam events is played.The "rivalry"
Don't think there will ever be another year like 2012. Big 4 pushed eachother to ridiculous heights.Both matches Nadal won of course. Lol. I would think tennis peaked in 2012-2013 when Djokovic and Nadal were pushed to the brink by each other at their pet Slams, as well as the overall quality especially in 2012, but that's just my opinion.
A minor surface. Only the main surface/Wimbledon matters for goathood.In tennis there is a surface called clay and where one of the four Grand Slam events is played.
Roland Garros is its name.
Yea I agree. At least not for a very long time.Don't think there will ever be another year like 2012. Big 4 pushed eachother to ridiculous heights.
Do you think Rafa really thinks that? I'm pretty sure Rafa would rather lose to his friend Fred than his foe DjoAnd yet, Djokovic will still never be viewed as Nadal's main rival LOL
Imagine being both Federer AND Djokovic's main rival!?
#JustRafaThings
Is only Wimbledon worth it?A minor surface. Only the main surface/Wimbledon matters for goathood.
Don't forget hc. You know, the main surface.Is only Wimbledon worth it?
So, tennis must be reduced to those two weeks to define the Messiah.
We give credit, where it's due.......
Heard it. It was both a compliment and a warning to Nadal.
Nadal, obviously, likes to think Federer was his main rival........hahahahahaha.
Some people just don't get Nadal's mentality. He is just thinking about the next medical visit and the next practice session for now, and then the next tournament when he's ready. The French Open is 3 months away.Yeah I'm sure Nadal's shaking with fear everyday...
Didn't say he is shaking with fear. But there is no doubt he is thinking about it. Remember when he said "I will die for it", a few months back ?Yeah I'm sure Nadal's shaking with fear everyday...
"I will die for it".Some people just don't get Nadal's mentality. He is just thinking about the next medical visit and the next practice session for now, and then the next tournament when he's ready. The French Open is 3 months away.
Starting with Djokovic’s peak and excluding Rafa’s best surface, can it get more cherry-picked? What about their H2H pre-2011 on clay and grass only?The "rivalry"
Actually out of all three I liked the Fedovic rivalry most, even though it gets the least recognition. First of all it was great that there was some animosity between them other than with Djokodal or especially Fedal where you had the impression, they loved each other and were even happy sometimes for the other one to win.The rivalry is there, they wanted Fedal to be the rivalry of this time, but Djokodal and Fedovic became more historic.
No, he knows NEVER to underestimate Nadal. That is the ultimate sign of respect that even after the bad show of form these past few months, the real Nadal can come back, and Djokovic is fully expecting him to.
I think it is fair to bring in age in an intelligent way. For instance, looking back in time I don't think it was reasonable or expected for Djokovic to beat Federer most of the time before 2011. Statistics make it very clear that Djokovic was a different player from 2011 and forward. Statistics also make it clear that even in 2007 Federer was beginning to fade a bit, and that has nothing to do with his rivals. I personally believe that his level from 2004 to 2006 was unsustainable with the racket he was using, which was technically already outmoded. I think it is logical, rather, to think about how Sampras continued to win right up to the end even with old technology. Federer did the same thing. By 2007 the reflexes of a very young man were waning, and he needed the support of more modern technology. That support did not come until much later when he was very obviously no longer the same physical specimen that he was up to 2006.Some Djokovic fans, yes. But some Federer fans get upset also and bring age into it, some Nadal fans get upset also and bring injuries into it. Why are you making it out like only those that support Djokovic like to take the shine off wins over their favorite?
Not prime & not the main surface. Clay is 8-11, nothing to brag about for Nadal.Starting with Djokovic’s peak and excluding Rafa’s best surface, can it get more cherry-picked? What about their H2H pre-2011 on clay and grass only?
15/16 is also not prime for Nadal so you can reduce your H2H stats by seven Djokovic wins. Novak in 2007/08 was way better than Rafa in 15/16 so what you are arguing is a moot point. As for 8-11 on clay: I was asking their H2H on grass and clay prior to 2011. Let me help you here, it is 11-0 in favour of Nadal, see how easy it is when you cherry pick.Not prime & not the main surface. Clay is 8-11, nothing to brag about for Nadal.