nadalwon2012
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You people sure know how to make a fool of yourselves....if I was another poster it would be multiple accounts which is a ban as far as I know. So you have already been disproved.
Rafael Nadal's road to No. 1 in 2012: Reprise edition
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You people sure know how to make a fool of yourselves....if I was another poster it would be multiple accounts which is a ban as far as I know. So you have already been disproved.
billnepill
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quite knowledgeable for a new poster.
You can hide your IP after 10 min work, but you already know that.
nadalwon2012
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No I do not know that, I'm no computer binary code genius.
Well I keep hearing posters here refer to multiple accounts as an offense, and I've been on other forums where it actually says it in the policies too. It's pretty obvious.
If you thinking I'm the other poster then prove it. Get his quotes and show mine are the same. It's really simple, and much more effective than making a fool of yourselves like someone having hallucinations (and in a rather obsessive way too).
Cup8489
G.O.A.T.
Never heard of sarcasm? *******s make that argument all the time, and you brought up the point of Federer in the first place, so, imaginary conversation it was not. You actually posted that, as you quoted yourself.
Understand now?
Forehand Avenger
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I think you should save your 19th Century Old Wife Victorian moral outrage for when somebody has the courage to call Nadal and Henin scum in an internet forum. Oh, wait, that's what f-burg just did earlier.
Cup8489
G.O.A.T.
lol. Looks like I win, you were banned xD
An article from the same guy. It seems he wants to see Rafa beat Djokovic, even though he's a Federer fan. Weird. 
http://blog.oregonlive.com/tennis/2012/01/down_in_the_dumps_with_rafael.html
http://blog.oregonlive.com/tennis/2012/01/down_in_the_dumps_with_rafael.html
DjokovicForTheWin
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I really don't understand this thinking. How is it that Nadal only needs belief to beat Djoker? Isn't it possible that he had belief all along but Djoker was simply better? What makes people think that Nadal should even be beating Djoker now? Does anyone gasp in disbelief if Donald Young were to lose to Djoker? Why not?
Why does the author think that the status quo should be Nadal beating Djoker? Based on what? 10 slams in which Djoker had not reached his peak yet? Methinks ****s have a hard time letting go.
Why does the author think that the status quo should be Nadal beating Djoker? Based on what? 10 slams in which Djoker had not reached his peak yet? Methinks ****s have a hard time letting go.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Yup. A lot of these clowns who write these stupid articles have never lifted a tennis racquet in their lives. They don't even realize what's actually going in these matches between Nadal and Djokovic. They can't see Djokovic's strengths come into effect and how his backhand can nullify Nadal's main weapon and how his return of serve can immediately put Nadal into a defensive position and how his speed and ability to defend makes it difficult for Nadal to get the ball past him.
These idiots only think "If I believe then it must happen!" :lol:
A lot of guys in tennis believed they could beat the top players. But it's not that simple to simply believe. There's a thing called match-ups and styles.
TheMusicLover
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An article from the same guy. It seems he wants to see Rafa beat Djokovic, even though he's a Federer fan. Weird.
It's only weird for those who think it's 'impossible' to be a fan of both.
Fortunately I know plenty of these 'weird people' in real life (I see one in the bathroom mirror every morning
). Somehow most of them choose not to be very present on tennis forums - and somehow I can well understand why. Well said.
The whole 'belief'-thinking is hugely overrated. Of course, one has to have a bit of 'belief' in order to become a top sportsman in the first place, but it isn't some kind of deus-ex-machina when things just won't go your way at times, as some journo's (and a lot of fans as well) seem to think.
MichaelNadal
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An article from the same guy. It seems he wants to see Rafa beat Djokovic, even though he's a Federer fan. Weird.
http://blog.oregonlive.com/tennis/2012/01/down_in_the_dumps_with_rafael.html
This article is so dead on, he needs to be fighting for his legacy and fighting to beat Novak, not saying "I may lose 100 more times"
Clarky21
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How can you expect him to do that when he doesn't have the fight in him anymore to do it? He's mentally done so there is little more he can do at this point.
nadalwon2012
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Belief is overrated? :lol:
Everyone knows the mental influence of tennis is far greater than the physical. Djokovic himself has said how confidence was the big difference this year. And Nadal played his best set of the year at Indian Wells, was a tie-beaker away from beating Djokovic in Miami, and then got progressively worse after that. That is a confidence issue.
Gil Reyes emphasized to Agassi that anyone can dream while they are asleep, but who can dream while they are awake? 'Dream while you are awake', that is the key. Players have to believe in their dreams first and foremost. That attitude alone is what won Agassi Wimbledon after losing 3 grand slam finals.
Everyone knows the mental influence of tennis is far greater than the physical. Djokovic himself has said how confidence was the big difference this year. And Nadal played his best set of the year at Indian Wells, was a tie-beaker away from beating Djokovic in Miami, and then got progressively worse after that. That is a confidence issue.
Gil Reyes emphasized to Agassi that anyone can dream while they are asleep, but who can dream while they are awake? 'Dream while you are awake', that is the key. Players have to believe in their dreams first and foremost. That attitude alone is what won Agassi Wimbledon after losing 3 grand slam finals.
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Lsmkenpo
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Doesn't matter who he is a fan of, he has limited technical knowledge of the sport if he believes the only thing that changed in Djokovic's game was his fitness. Do you believe this? or just grasping for straws posting some fools opinion backed by zero facts, hoping and praying he is right.
Wake up , Djokovic improved his first serve percentage, his forehand consistency and his movement on natural surfaces that coupled with his new everlasting stamina equals a Nadal ass kicking machine.
Anyone who doesn't recognize Djokovic improved more than just fitness is in denial and living in the past.
It takes a shotmaker to beat Djokovic now, not a defensive grinder. Nadal is 4th or 5th down the list of players who have the best chance to beat Djokovic.
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Lsmkenpo
Hall of Fame
When Nadal's gets enough "I Think I Can" to start serving aces, flatten out his ground strokes with more aggression and depth to push Djokovic off the baseline, and learns to take the ball on the rise wake me up. That's what it will take for him to overtake Djokovic.
Nadal has to " I Think I Can Be Federer in his Prime" to challenge Djokovic because the " I Think I Can from Nadal " won't work.
Nadal has to " I Think I Can Be Federer in his Prime" to challenge Djokovic because the " I Think I Can from Nadal " won't work.
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Mike Sams
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So basically you're saying Nadal needs to morph into a completely different player to contend with Djokovic. :lol:
namelessone
Legend
But here's the thing, besides the whole mental thing, you need THE SHOTS that can beat Djokovic, that is what Rafa is missing most of all. We are not talking about the past Djoko, that would dump a shot into the net every now and then and who was having trouble keeping up physically after two sets and a half. Djokovic is VERY SOLID on both sides now and his serve has improved to almost 2008 levels, not to mention that he has a awesome BH(probably the best on tour) and terrific return.
To beat this kind of player you need to take time away from him, that's why Federer,DelPo and Murray have been the guys to push or even beat him throughout the year. Rafa actually gives Djoker more time when he plays against him because of his shots and Djokovic has a major safe zone(Nadal's BH) while Nadal has none against Novak. The reason why Nadal pushed Djokovic at the beginning of 2011 more(and Novak was playing better at that time than at the end of the year IMO) was because Nadal had more confidence and executed certain vital shots better.
You need belief and re-tooling of your game. Belief alone ain't gonna cut it if you run into the same problems when on the same court with your adversary.
Also, I don't know what you mean by legacy. Nadal is easily in the top 10 of ALL TIME in this sport if he retires tomorrow. Sure, it won't look good in the end if he gets beat by Djoko but every career out there has holes in it.
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But the forehand consistency and better movement could be the result of the improved fitness.
And I don't think Rafa needs to become Federer to have a chance to beat him. He just needs to stop moonballing the backhand and serve better.
It's actually impressive that he managed to reach all those finals last year with just a decent forehand and nothing else. The other parts of his game were terrible. Yesterday he was hitting his backhand much better and I think he's trying to play more aggressive.
Clarky21
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To say that Norman's improved out of nowhere fitness has nothing to do wiith his success last year is silly. That is the biggest difference by far. It's easy to play his Gumby like game when you never tire,and can run for hours and hours without fatigue. To suggest otherwise is pure bs.
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DjokovicForTheWin
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I see, so a person in a wheelchair who believes can beat in tennis a walking person with no belief?
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DjokovicForTheWin
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Well if it was a chess game he believed he was going to win...why not?
If it's a chess game then not knowing anything about either person a priori, it would be 50-50 as to who wins.
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Deleted member 77403
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Yep. That is true. But I guess if you know the person, know a bit about how they play, it does help. Of course it does not guarantee you'll win though.
DjokovicForTheWin
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I guess you could argue the guy in the wheelchair would be more apt to take up chess given his condition.
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Deleted member 77403
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Possibly. Also depends on the personality of the individual.
nadalwon2012
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Some posters take every word literally, kind of like 5-year-olds.
DjokovicForTheWin
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Thanks for admitting physical > mental
nadalwon2012
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Why don't you argue with Djokovic, as it was he who I quoted, as well as Gil Reyes.
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Do you believe that Nadal will beat Djokovic in a slam this year?
nadalwon2012
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Yes I do, I think Djokovic's days of dominance over Nadal are over. All it took was some extra weight on Nadal's shots.
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Deleted member 77403
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You mean all it will take is some extra weight. You speak as if the dominance is in the past, at the moment it is very much the present.
Do you think that Nadal will win their next match if they played in a slam? Such as the AO final?
nadalwon2012
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Yes I think Nadal would win (even though he is still adjusting to his new racquet weight). Nadal won't be perfect necessarily, but he will have enough to win.
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Nice to know you are positive.
Okay, another question for you. Do you think anyone can beat Nadal in a grand slam this year?
nadalwon2012
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Yes, every player in the world can beat every player in the world, in any event any day, depending on each players performance. That is why I guarantee nothing.
MichaelNadal
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There's way too much of a mismatch in mental fortitude right now for Nadal to beat Djokovic on a big stage until Djokovic's level drops, Nadal's rises, or both happen.
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Do you think it can happen as quickly as an AO final?
MichaelNadal
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Heck no. Nothing has changed since the USO final basically. Nadal still serving like a care bear and Djokovic still GOATing. Nadal needs to beat Novak at IW or Miami first.
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Deleted member 77403
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I am actually concerned for Nadal, should he lose the AO final to Djokovic. He has taken some serious body and head shots, more than he has ever taken. I think what stunned him most was, that Djoker forgot to read the script, in the sense, that ALL major matches were won by Nadal pre-2011. And it has been the exact opposite. If they had shared a couple, that would have been okay, but this is shell shocking for sure.
I don't know how he will be able to pick himself up for the rest of the season, if he watches another slam trophy presentation with an on-court view.
tennis_pro
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Actually I would like to see Nadal get beaten by Djokovic in the 2012 Australian Open final not because I can't stand the guy but just to see how he reacts afterwards. If he somehow started to lose in the 1st or 2nd rounds of the next tournaments, his mental toughness bubble would burst in a second.
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He has the cracks showing already. Do you think if he does lose to Novak in AO, and slumps, that his legendry mental strength would be tarnished?
tennis_pro
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In a way I think so. Obviously, nobody will take away all the titles he has gathered in his career, some of them thanks to his tough mentality but people will really start to question it, like when it was all going well he was tough but once a new player emerged who had the perfect countergame he began to struggle, suspicious, isn't it?
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Yeah, you can't take away from the amazing things he has done. But if he fails to solve the Joker problem, where Novak has been using him as a stepping stone in recent matches to reach greater heights, there could be questions arising.
tennis_pro
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Federer faced the same problem a couple of years ago. Nobody could really question his mental toughness because he had virtually "no" rivals in his peak years (he lost some crazy 5-setters but many considered them as one-offs , f.e. vs Nalbandian at the MC, Safin at the AO), the only player who could consistently beat him was Nadal on clay but that was due to the match-up, much less lack of mental toughness from Fed's side. Then suddenly in 2008/2009 Federer lost some thrillers to Nadal at Wimbledon and the Australian Open and look what happened, Fed who was considered pretty tough mentally was dissed for both losses "due" to lack of toughness.
We all know he reacted well after those losses, winning the very next major both times. The problem for Nadal is that Djokovic is consistently reaching finals, thus can't avoid him if he wants to taste more glory.
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jackson vile
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If he can't make it past Novak it is game over for him, and if Novak is knocked out it will be a hallow victory for sure. Really I think Novak is going to be taking Nadal out and Federer will take Novak out at some point unless his has more mental problems.
It is going to be an interesting year for sure and Federer returning to #1 won't seem so far fetched although it is very unlikely, more likely Nadal will drop down to #3 if he don't get it together.
And with all that going on an inspired Murray just might surprise us all, heck if Tsonga can do more of what he did last year we might have a couple surprises.
It is going to be an interesting year for sure and Federer returning to #1 won't seem so far fetched although it is very unlikely, more likely Nadal will drop down to #3 if he don't get it together.
And with all that going on an inspired Murray just might surprise us all, heck if Tsonga can do more of what he did last year we might have a couple surprises.
MichaelNadal
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It would destroy him. Literally.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Wow, it actually makes sense!
On a serious note, I think if Nadal is ever going to regain some of his old form back, he has to beat Djokovic in their first match of 2012, regardless of the surface. If Novak beats him in Australia, IW, FO or wherever they play their first match, it really looks like game over for Nadal.
jackson vile
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Yep, we all to well remember ever single time it was game over for Nadal and how 1 match is what will decide it all:roll:
You only like the post because I say good things about Federer and bad things about Nadal LOL
Mustard
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beast of mallorca
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tennis_pro is always melodramatic with everything about nadal. No question there.
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