Federer should retire after Rotterdam

TheFifthSet · Feb 17, 2018

20 years into his career and people still don't get that, in addition to wanting to achieve various goals, the guy just likes playing tennis. He just likes it, lol. And it's better for tennis that he's there.

It would make no sense for him to stop now. He seems intent on squeezing out every last bit of quality tennis his body will allow him to play. If that arrangement makes himself, his family, the vast majority of tennis fans and everyone else happy, the only thing left to consider is your own idea of how he should retire. Nobody else seems on board.

noobforehand20 · Feb 17, 2018

he should ask to play for no points, so people stop caring about "going out on top"

VladBurn · Feb 17, 2018

You miss the point, it's not really about achieving more great results, I mean sure that's a big bonus and motivation, but the guy simply loves the sport and cant live without it. I think that is the biggest reason why he plays.
And then we have other reasons like money and lately success, why would someone quit if all he does is win trophies ? Every trophy + is another great thing to add in his inventory.

Pheasant · Feb 17, 2018

Federer is content at being good enough to get to slam semis and hanging around in the top 5.

Federer still has some more records to break anyway. I believe that Rod Laver was the oldest man to be ranked world #3. He was 36 years and 8 months old. Fed will break that record by Wimbledon.

I would also like to see Federer get to 100 career titles, 3 more masters titles, and 1 more slam.

It even if Fed does none of the above, he has still had a pretty decent career.

metsman · Feb 17, 2018

WhiskeyEE said:
lol. How did that work out for Sampras?

Agassi's end of career was more memorable than Pete's was.

being able to barely move and crying in front of 23000 people after some guy named Benjamin Becker beats you in the 3rd round vs winning a GS when no one thought you'd make the 2nd week by serving and volleying people off the court?

Sudacafan · Feb 17, 2018

Terry Tibbs said:
Seriously what else is there for the guy to achieve? The only way is down from here. What better than to bow out right at the very top as the world number one and Wimbledon and Australian Open champion. He will have to retire soon so why not now whilst he's at the very top? Don't get me wrong it will be a sad day when he does retire and I would hate to be watching the slams with no Federer but this will have to happen soon. It's ridiculous what he has done over the last year but everything has its limits. Surely he won't be able to win slams in 2 years time so why delay retirement.

Until Federer doesn’t beat Nadal in RG I wanna see him play.

accidental · Feb 17, 2018

i would prefer he keeps going until he's no longer capable f even qualifying futures anymore, around age 60 or so

Mike Sams · Feb 17, 2018

Terry Tibbs said:
Seriously what else is there for the guy to achieve? The only way is down from here. What better than to bow out right at the very top as the world number one and Wimbledon and Australian Open champion. He will have to retire soon so why not now whilst he's at the very top? Don't get me wrong it will be a sad day when he does retire and I would hate to be watching the slams with no Federer but this will have to happen soon. It's ridiculous what he has done over the last year but everything has its limits. Surely he won't be able to win slams in 2 years time so why delay retirement.

You should retire from posting

BeatlesFan · Feb 17, 2018

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abmk · Feb 17, 2018

BeatlesFan said:

I LOL'ed

smoledman · Feb 17, 2018

As long as Mirka enjoys this run, he's going to continue going out there.

Federev · Feb 17, 2018

Terry Tibbs said:
Seriously what else is there for the guy to achieve? The only way is down from here. What better than to bow out right at the very top as the world number one and Wimbledon and Australian Open champion. He will have to retire soon so why not now whilst he's at the very top? Don't get me wrong it will be a sad day when he does retire and I would hate to be watching the slams with no Federer but this will have to happen soon. It's ridiculous what he has done over the last year but everything has its limits. Surely he won't be able to win slams in 2 years time so why delay retirement.

GS record is nowhere near safe from Rafa.

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Gary Duane · Feb 17, 2018

smoledman said:
As long as Mirka enjoys this run, he's going to continue going out there.

Ah, someone who REALLY understands how marriages work.

PrinceMoron · Feb 18, 2018

rossignol said:
Really really really it’s time,he start loosing his hair and to me he doesn’t look like 36 year old(at least 45) time to enjoy in his life

He must be really bored beating Nadal 5 times in a row

zagor · Feb 18, 2018

Mike Sams said:
You should retire from posting

If only we could be so lucky.

arvind13 · Feb 18, 2018

if federer truly wants to set a challenge for himself that is difficult to achieve, try winning french open. If fed wins another french open, he can retire right there

Tennis_Hands · Feb 18, 2018

Purplemonster said:
I hope he does. More so because of his annoying child like fans than his increasingly mind numbing arrogance.

Mind numbing arrogance?

I take it you never saw Ali?

Or Armstrong in more recent times?

Rafa4LifeEver · May 19, 2023

Terry Tibbs said:
Seriously what else is there for the guy to achieve? The only way is down from here. What better than to bow out right at the very top as the world number one and Wimbledon and Australian Open champion. He will have to retire soon so why not now whilst he's at the very top? Don't get me wrong it will be a sad day when he does retire and I would hate to be watching the slams with no Federer but this will have to happen soon. It's ridiculous what he has done over the last year but everything has its limits. Surely he won't be able to win slams in 2 years time so why delay retirement.

Given what happened to the Swiss from march 2018 to July 2021, this sounds about right.

nolefam_2024 · May 19, 2023

Hahaha. How would he have won those coveted 8 more weeks at number 1 lol.

This was the point of Federer's destruction. Nothing good happened beyond this point.

nolefam_2024 · May 19, 2023

MeatTornado said:
However unrealistic, there are a thousand things still left to achieve
-6th & 7th YE #1
-6th USO
-7th AO
-His own grass "la decima" (Halle & Wim)
-Beating Rafa at USO
-110 titles
-30(?) Masters titles (idk what the record is)
-6th Indian Wells
-Surpassing Mac's 1984 record
-Reclaiming the H2H with Novak
-Win the USO w/o losing a set

Those are just off the top of my head

I am getting joker type of laughs on this one.

None of this was achieved. Absolutely none. Novak came back and Federer was over.

nolefam_2024 · May 19, 2023

The Green Mile said:
Right now, I struggle to see who could dethrone Federer at Wimbledon. He is the heavy favorite there, early days for sure...

KANDO

SonnyT · May 19, 2023

Rafa4LifeEver said:
Given what happened to the Swiss from march 2018 to July 2021, this sounds about right.

But Federer thought he had one more Wimbledon in him. And he was almost right, plus taking out his two rivals B2B!

nolefam_2024 · May 19, 2023

Taking trip down the memory lane. Counting only the most important losses which did nothing to progress his legacy.

IW 2018 Choked vs Delpo
Miami 2018 Choked vs Kokkinakis
Halle 2018 Loss to Coric
Wimbledon 2018 Choke to Anderson
Cincy 2018 lost perfect 4-0 H2H vs Novak (King is back)
USOpen 2018 John Millman something something
Australian Open 2019 Choked vs Newbee Tsitsipas
Indian Wells 2019 Choked vs eternal choker Dominic Thiem
Wimbledon 2019 Ultimate choke vs Djokovic. Did it hurt legacy or raised? I think it really hurt but some may disagree.
Cincy 2019 Rublev beatdown Getting sad now
USOpen 2019 baby fed beat Fed wow
Wimbledon 2021 got bageled on his favorite surface

Federer was already a choker. But after this Rotterdam loss, he was gifting the tour left and right. Come and get presents from Roger.

Another L

Conclusion? Should have retired after Rotterdam.

jl809 · May 19, 2023

After this post was made, Fed won 1 more M1000, beat Nadal at Wimbledon and Djokovic at the ATP finals. But he didn’t win another slam, took 3 more HC losses to Djoker to further imbalance the H2H and his fans had to endure 40-15 and all that came with that. Plus his final set at Wimbledon being 0-6.

i guess the question for Fed fans is whether being stuck wondering “what if” and getting to talk up hypothetical 18-19 Fed would have been better than the real thing. For me the answer is still clearly no as I would always rather see my favourite player playing tennis than not tbh

Deleted member 629564 · May 19, 2023

He should have just won one of these bloody two match points on his own serve at SW19 in 2019.
Underarm serve, body serve, lucky net cord, drop shot, not to mention another quality forehand winner into the corner. Nothing special.
Anything.
Anything but not like that what happened.

Eternal tennis paradise was wide open. There are ghosts instead. And crying in the locker room.

MeatTornado · May 19, 2023

nachiket nolefam said:
I am getting joker type of laughs on this one.

None of this was achieved. Absolutely none. Novak came back and Federer was over.

Not sure why you would laugh so hard when my post said it was unrealistic, not things that I actually expected to happen.

And Novak wasn't the reason for a single one of those things not happening.

nolefam_2024 · May 19, 2023

MeatTornado said:
Not sure why you would laugh so hard when my post said it was unrealistic, not things that I actually expected to happen.

And Novak wasn't the reason for a single one of those things not happening.

You know, I can't control it. I feel Federer undeservedly had resurgence in 2017/18.
Do you not see the huge coincindence between Novak's bad years and Federer's good years in this period? Between 2014 to 2016, how many times was Federer a cut above the rest just to fall short to Novak.

Just like Nadal winning AO22 irked me to highest degree, this one did as well. But to smaller extent as Novak was injured and not outright banned.

Rune and Alcaraz should not be losing to a guy 16 years elder when they are in their peak. And similarly Nole shouldn't be losing to a guy 6 years elder when Nole was in his peak. And Nole didn't. I am very proud of him. The rest of the tour though, showed their belly to a 35+ Federer.

BB said the same.
"Roger is the lead of the pack, Novak had wonderful words about him, having such a long career, everybody is watching him, everybody means Novak, everybody means Rafa, everybody means Andy, they don't want to lose to an older player."

Novak was the only one who crushed Roger time after time post 2012 so Roger had to find his chances when Novak was taken out. Rotterdam 2018 one such thing.

Razer · May 19, 2023

No regrets needed, Federer did right thing to continue..... the 2019 wimbledon brought him so close to beating both of his rivals back to back at 38 .... it is sad that he failed.
In an ideal world I would like Roger to have won wimbledon 2019 and wimbledon 2020 being held to compensate for the loss to Novak,... that would have been good.

Third Serve · May 19, 2023

The last few posts have revealed quite a lot about the mentality of some Djokovic fans.

MeatTornado · May 19, 2023

nachiket nolefam said:
You know, I can't control it. I feel Federer undeservedly had resurgence in 2017/18.
Do you not see the huge coincindence between Novak's bad years and Federer's good years in this period? Between 2014 to 2016, how many times was Federer a cut above the rest just to fall short to Novak.

Just like Nadal winning AO22 irked me to highest degree, this one did as well. But to smaller extent as Novak was injured and not outright banned.

Rune and Alcaraz should not be losing to a guy 16 years elder when they are in their peak. And similarly Nole shouldn't be losing to a guy 6 years elder when Nole was in his peak. And Nole didn't. I am very proud of him. The rest of the tour though, showed their belly to a 35+ Federer.

BB said the same.
"Roger is the lead of the pack, Novak had wonderful words about him, having such a long career, everybody is watching him, everybody means Novak, everybody means Rafa, everybody means Andy, they don't want to lose to an older player."

Novak was the only one who crushed Roger time after time post 2012 so Roger had to find his chances when Novak was taken out. Rotterdam 2018 one such thing.

Roger probably doesn't have the same success in 2017 with Novak still around, but that's a different argument. I'm referring to the things on the list I made, since that's what you decided to bump. Novak didn't stop him from accomplishing any of them other than reversing the H2H.

Federer started dropping off after winning that final major in Jan 2018 all on his own before Novak had his resurgance in the summer. They barely even played each other for the rest of Roger's career.

Pheasant · May 19, 2023

Fed left nothing on the table and he played as long as he possibly could have. That makes me very happy as a fan. And it's stupid to be greedy, given his resume. I would have been much more upset when Borg retired, had I been a Borg fan.

Hey, if my next favorite guy even has half the career of Federer, I'll be very excited. But I won't hold my breath!

nolefam_2024 · May 19, 2023

MeatTornado said:
Roger probably doesn't have the same success in 2017 with Novak still around, but that's a different argument. I'm referring to the things on the list I made, since that's what you decided to bump. Novak didn't stop him from accomplishing any of them other than reversing the H2H.

Federer started dropping off after winning that final major in Jan 2018 all on his own before Novak had his resurgance in the summer. They barely even played each other for the rest of Roger's career.

I bumped because i am just happy he couldn't achieve any single of these things. Obviously when you made the list, that time it was high possibility.

It is a great list. Too bad for Roger that he couldn't do it.

nolefam_2024 · May 19, 2023

Third Serve said:
The last few posts have revealed quite a lot about the mentality of some Djokovic fans.

That we are jealous of Roger? Oh believe me, every single Nolefam, and I am not projecting here, was jealous of Federer.

ND-13 · May 19, 2023

As a Djokovic fan, it was little sad RF got his pay back , at YEC in a straight set thrashing in 2019. Winning every match at major and only to lose to old Rog every now and then in BO3 proved that the young legs were the reason with the BO5 turnaround from 2014.

I feel RF only added to his legacy at Wimb 2019. Beating Rafa in 4 and being the better player against ND in the final for the most part is no joke.

ND-13 · May 19, 2023

nachiket nolefam said:
That we are jealous of Roger? Oh believe me, every single Nolefam, and I am not projecting here, was jealous of Federer.

I agree. How can we hide the fact that the h2h flipped only when Roger was 34 or 35, even though there were like 10 years of rivalry at that point.

abmk · May 19, 2023

nachiket nolefam said:
You know, I can't control it. I feel Federer undeservedly had resurgence in 2017/18.
Do you not see the huge coincindence between Novak's bad years and Federer's good years in this period? Between 2014 to 2016, how many times was Federer a cut above the rest just to fall short to Novak.

djoko's prime years ended in 16. deal with it man. you can't expect it to go much further than that when it started in 11.
as it is djoko got very lucky with facing off vs older federer
and has vultured THE Most in this inflation/asterisk eras, but you talk about federer resurgence in 17/early 18 being undeserved? when Fed won AO 17 beating Nadal/Wawa/Nishi/Berdych. when he won Wim 17 without dropping a set and playing at worst at similar level to Djoko Wim 18? and significantly better than Djoko's weak Wimbledons in 19/21/22?

nolefam_2024 · May 19, 2023

ND-13 said:
As a Djokovic fan, it was little sad RF got his pay back , at YEC in a straight set thrashing in 2019. Winning every major there, only to lose to old Rog every now and then in BO3 proved that the young legs were the reason with the BO5 turnaround from 2014.

I feel RF only added to his legacy at Wimb 2019. Beating Rafa in 4 and being the better player against ND in the final for the most part is no joke.

Honestly the YEC match had pretty small significance. Nole won another YEC Tying the record, he ended 2 more years at number 1 another record.

We nolefams want to win every single match but we wouldn't trade even a QF win over Federer in slams for a RR loss in YEC. Fed had nothing to hurt Nole at this rotterdam time. He could go so close, like in Bercy, like in Wimby, but he was going to lose.

And yes, young legs was definitely one of the reasons Nole won so many times. Nole and Roger technically are at the same level. How can you have 100% win record vs a player you are on equal footing on? Roger won most big matches when he was at his peak and Nole was young and Nole won 100% big matches when he was at peak and Roger was young. It was poetic justice.

nolefam_2024 · May 19, 2023

ND-13 said:
I agree. How can we hide the fact that the h2h flipped only when Roger was 34 or 35, even though there were like 10 years of rivalry at that point.

Why hide. Young Novak was falling behind in H2H. It was poetic justice that peak Novak took old Roger to cleaners. It is justice.

abmk · May 19, 2023

nachiket nolefam said:
Why hide. Young Novak was falling behind in H2H. It was poetic justice that peak Novak took old Roger to cleaners. It is justice.

yeah, 2 matches in 3 of federer's best years in 2004-06 and 18 matches in 3 of djoko's best years (11/12/15).
same thing.

nolefam_2024 · May 19, 2023

Talking about winning match on legs. We won this match purely on legs. Technically both Roger and Novak were 1 set a piece. Nole SHOULD have taken set 2 but Roger was very clutch in the tiebreak. But after set2 , Roger was going to be tired. He was not playing an old Rafa in Wimby, but peak god mode Nole. And that God mode included his ability to get to all rallies. Nolefams don't be ashamed ever. Our guy made us proud.

SonnyT · May 19, 2023

abmk, Djoko had the hardest path towards his slams, as proven by quantitative analysis. If he had vultured some, then his two rivals vultured more.

If Djoko had been healthy in 2017, chances were he would take that championship as well.

nolefam_2024 · May 19, 2023

SonnyT said:
abmk, Djoko had the hardest path towards his slams, as proven by quantitative analysis. If he had vultured some, then his two rivals vultured more.

If Djoko had been healthy in 2017, chances were he would take that championship as well.

Is abmk still commenting? I ignored him in 2018 or something. Weak era Fedfan

SonnyT · May 19, 2023

Djokovic had defeated more T10 and T5 opposition, and had better winning % than his rivals.

So if he vultured some, his 2 rivals had vultured even more!!!

The only post-'11 slam that Federer won with a healthy Djokovic, was '12 Wi! Talking about vulturing!!!

Sephiroth · May 19, 2023

MeatTornado said:
However unrealistic, there are a thousand things still left to achieve
-6th & 7th YE #1
-6th USO
-7th AO
-His own grass "la decima" (Halle & Wim)
-Beating Rafa at USO
-110 titles
-30(?) Masters titles (idk what the record is)
-6th Indian Wells
-Surpassing Mac's 1984 record
-Reclaiming the H2H with Novak
-Win the USO w/o losing a set

Those are just off the top of my head

bro got so greedy, goddamn!

MeatTornado · May 19, 2023

Sephiroth said:
bro got so greedy, goddamn!

I wasn't asking for or expecting any of those things. That's not greed.

I could make the same type of list for Djokovic right now if someone said there's nothing left for him to accomplish (assuming he gets to 23 first).

duaneeo · May 19, 2023

Rafa4LifeEver said:
Given what happened to the Swiss from march 2018 to July 2021, this sounds about right.

He showed at 2019 Wimbledon how weak grass had become during the 2010s. The last Wimbledon tournament of the decade had four semifinalists who were in their 30s, Federer faced ATG Nadal while Djokovic faced Tier-3 Agut, and it took a choke from the nearly 38 year old Federer for the decade's best player to win the title.

Tennfan123 · May 19, 2023

It’s good he stayed around. His continued success affirmed the weak era of all time. WEOAT.

nolefam_2024 · May 19, 2023

Tennfan123 said:
It’s good he stayed around. His continued success affirmed the weak era of all time. WEOAT.

For that he needed to succeed. He could have showed weak era in 2017 to 2018 Rotterdam. From this point onward he becomes Santa, bringing gifts to all players. Blown leads , chokejobs and what not.

Rafa4LifeEver · May 19, 2023

Third Serve said:
The last few posts have revealed quite a lot about the mentality of some Djokovic fans.

Yes, the worst tennis fanbase is at it again, insulting Fedal. Additionally, now I feel bad about having dug this thread out of past archives of this website.
I didn't mean any hatred towards the Swiss or his fans really.

nolefam_2024 · May 19, 2023

Rafa4LifeEver said:
Yes, the worst tennis fanbase is at it again, insulting Fedal. Additionally, now I feel bad about having dug this thread out of past archives of this website.
I didn't mean any hatred towards the Swiss or his fans really.

Fedal or Federer

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