No he's not
The Holy Trinity of the 4 slams...
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BauerAlmeida
Hall of Fame
Last year he won the Masters beating Sinner and Alcaraz back to back with a total demolition against both.
He almost repeats the feat at Wimbledon too.
Holmes
Hall of Fame
In the Eye Test Era (ETE) he is not.
Nope. He's the last person to win 3 FO. Any player who has won 3 before him is ahead. The follower/chaser doesn't get the nod.
Wimbledon, it's tricky between Borg and Djokovic, but my opinion Borg 5 straight Wimbledon was more impressive with great matches against Mac, Connors, Tanner, Ashe, Nastase....
BauerAlmeida
Hall of Fame
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Clowns everywhere
Yeah, shamelessness by you quoting only part of my context.
"I reason why I have Federer at #1 at the USO is because of he won 5 consecutive times, and made 6 consecutive finals. Keep in mind in 2010 & 2011 he had match points in the semifinal, very easily he could have made 8 straight finals!"
You're an Djokovic fanboy, I can understand you want to put more weighed on the player who tie the record over the prior player who set the benchmark.
And context is important which you conveniently ignore
I don't care what you think because in your eyes you can only see Djokovic.
There are other players have stronger case for the 3rd spot
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Uh oh, you got him. He didn't fully think that through.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
We’ve reached the “Japanese soldier fighting in the jungle“ phase. The war is over, almost everyone has moved on, but a small band of crazies won‘t accept reality.
Novak has won (almost) everything of note. The slam race, most WTFs, most masters, most time at number 1.
Time to let it go
Novak has won (almost) everything of note. The slam race, most WTFs, most masters, most time at number 1.
Time to let it go
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Well, you're responding to someone who drowns in his own tears over the fact Federer was never a GOAT player, failed to win the Grand Slam, and watched Djokovic surpass him where it mattered most for Federer fanatics who habitually used majors count as the GOAT distinction. Now that Djokovic left Federer in the dust, in comes the daily goal-post moving, revisionist history, contradictory statements and lies.
Federer was not the best of his own era, and certainly not all time. A certain someone needs to invest in more cases of Kleenex for his tears.
I've already explained that
Federer at FO- NO way. He never came close to beating Nadal there and never won there before Nadal appeared.
So, a 5-time winner tops a 7-time winner, especially since Novak beat Federer in their 3 finals there? In reality, at Wimbledon: Federer, Sampras, Djokovic, then Borg.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
That's typical from someone desperate to force-fit Federer into some category he either did not earn (take your pick) or creates self-defeating "rules" to place the long-surpassed Federer at the top of a list. Astoundingly pathetic,
Agree, but the OP is really one of a kind, the king of Bozos...
duaneeo
Legend
2018: Sandgren, Zeballos, Edmund, Khachanov, Nishikori, Old-dal, Anderson.
2019: Kohlschreiber, Kudla, Hurkacz, Humbert, Goffin, Agut, Old-derer.
2021: Draper, Anderson, Kudla, Garin, Fucsovics, Shapovalov, Berrettini.
2022: Kwon, Kokkinakis, Kecmanovic, Van Rijthoven, Sinner, Norrie, Kyrgios.
2019: Kohlschreiber, Kudla, Hurkacz, Humbert, Goffin, Agut, Old-derer.
2021: Draper, Anderson, Kudla, Garin, Fucsovics, Shapovalov, Berrettini.
2022: Kwon, Kokkinakis, Kecmanovic, Van Rijthoven, Sinner, Norrie, Kyrgios.
Holmes
Hall of Fame
And needless, for as long as tennis is discussed among true fans the name of Roger Federer will be up there with the Perrys, the Rosewalls, the Connors etc. Guys who were a key part of their eras.
Only 3 (07 WB, 12 WB, 17 AO) of 20 slams were over tough opposition. That was 17/20 over weak opposition.
All of Djokovic's pre-Covid slams were over tough opposition. That was 7/24 over weak opposition.
Read post #359
I'm not going to repeat it again Herald
Quality matters and Borg at Wimbledon was more impressive than Djokovic
No context? Haha.
Ok Herald
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic won 1 RG title and 3 Wimbledon titles in his 20s.2018: Sandgren, Zeballos, Edmund, Khachanov, Nishikori, Old-dal, Anderson.
2019: Kohlschreiber, Kudla, Hurkacz, Humbert, Goffin, Agut, Old-derer.
2021: Draper, Anderson, Kudla, Garin, Fucsovics, Shapovalov, Berrettini.
2022: Kwon, Kokkinakis, Kecmanovic, Van Rijthoven, Sinner, Norrie, Kyrgios.
Djokovic won 2 RG titles and 4 Wimbledon titles in his 30s.
The Serbian player did not equal but improved his efficiency in GS events on natural surfaces in his late stage.
What does that tell you?
abmk
Bionic Poster
djoko beat mug fields in Wim 21/22. and fed was nearly 38 in Wim 19 (federer having to beat nadal on the way while djokovic had to face RBA)
his levels in Wim 19/21/22 are amongst the worst in open era (excl 73 boycott one). maybe only Alcaraz Wim 23 comes close.
djoko's only non-inflation Wimbledons at prime or prime-ish level are 11/14/15/18.
Borg won 5 Wimbedons in a row and only lost to peak Mac in 4 tight sets in 6th final.
Djokovic won 3 out of 6 at his prime from 11-16, losing to Murray in straights, querrey in 4, fed in 4.
even if we 4 out of 8 to include 18, that's still lesser than Borg.
Borg wins over peak Mac in Wim 80 final and Connors+gerulaitis in 77 > any win for Djoko at Wim (considering actual form of opponent, stop taking just names)
borg > djokovic at Wimbledon.
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abmk
Bionic Poster
2018: Sandgren, Zeballos, Edmund, Khachanov, Nishikori, Old-dal, Anderson.
2019: Kohlschreiber, Kudla, Hurkacz, Humbert, Goffin, Agut, Old-derer.
2021: Draper, Anderson, Kudla, Garin, Fucsovics, Shapovalov, Berrettini.
2022: Kwon, Kokkinakis, Kecmanovic, Van Rijthoven, Sinner, Norrie, Kyrgios.
18 is fine since Nadal played well and djoko did too.
19/21/22 are the 3 worst Wimbledon winning levels in open era apart from maybe Alcaraz Wim 23 (excluding boycott Wim 73) and easy/mug draws.
all 3 inflation slams.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Indeed. Thankfully, recorded history does not recognize the self-deceiving rants of Federer fanatics.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Beating Federer at Wimbledon also doesn't mean much, even when he hit around 100 winners.
History remembers that Djokovic has 7 Wimbledon titles and could have the record tied before he retires.
BauerAlmeida
Hall of Fame
2021: Draper, Anderson, Kudla, Garin, Fucsovics, Shapovalov, Berrettini.
2022: Kwon, Kokkinakis, Kecmanovic, Van Rijthoven, Sinner, Norrie, Kyrgios.
Those were indeed weak draws.
However, 2021 was the first time ever he didn't have to beat a top 4 seed at a slam. And in 2022 the first time he didn't have to face a top 8. None of those ever happened again.
So they were anomalies and not the norm. And nonetheless, Sinner and Kyrgios are not as weak as some would like to pretend. Kyrgios was always considered a top guy on the surface and very dangerous, same for Berretini.
Holmes
Hall of Fame
History remembers Inflatovic as talentless workaholic who lucked his way to 7 Wimbledon titles, including 3 finals wins over Federer unlike Federer who greased his palms and wiped tears to defeat Roddick 3 times in finals and get an injured Cilic in his 8th win.
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Holmes
Hall of Fame
He's trolling you. Not cleverly of course, but still amusing.
Holmes
Hall of Fame
I miss his goat avatar since I'd sometimes confuse it for a donkey.
duaneeo
Legend
Not really true. In winning 2011/2014/2015 WB, Nole faced his top contemporaries (Nadal/Murray/Wawrinka) a combined one time.
Holmes
Hall of Fame
Facing Federer and Nadal in 3 out of 3 runs is more difficult than facing Roddick 3 out of 3 runs.
InsuranceMan
Hall of Fame
zakopinjo
Rookie
This tells us that Novak has a fantastic body and mindDjokovic won 1 RG title and 3 Wimbledon titles in his 20s.
Djokovic won 2 RG titles and 4 Wimbledon titles in his 30s.
The Serbian player did not equal but improved his efficiency in GS events on natural surfaces in his late stage.
What does that tell you?
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