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If this doesn't get you pumped up nothing will.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5ua4SnMLj4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5ua4SnMLj4&feature=related
And how is that?Epic video, but honestly 13-6 is not a rivalry.
Epic video, but honestly 13-6 is not a rivalry.
Yeah and you have to remember it would be ALOT closer if Nadal was as good as Federer on hard and got to as many finals as Fed has.you're right, it no longer is. However, if you take out the clay, where rafa is far superior to roger on that surface, it would be a lot closer.
Well nadal has virtually taken of to another planet. He has wiped the floor with roger the last five times they have played and has no defeated federer in the final of every slam except the USO. I mean they are tied 3-3 on hardcourts and Federer is the most accomplished player on hardcourts with 8 slams. "Domination" is the right word when I see the H2H rec. with that being said, I have not lost hope in Roger. This years wimbledon is going to be very very crucial! If federer wins, he will get a huge burst of confidence.And how is that?
Yeah and you have to remember it would be ALOT closer if Nadal was as good as Federer on hard and got to as many finals as Fed has.
well Agassi won a substantial amount of matches. 14 against the best of generation is very good. With Roger, I think he wont be winning many more against nadal and nadal will just tally up more and more wins. I mean Federer hasn't won a match since 2007. Agassi beat Sampars almost every year of their rivalry. So this isnt looking good for fed. Nadal has single handedly ruined the conception that federer is the GOAT. I was adamant that federer was the GOAT until I saw Nadal destroy fed on every surface.Well all their matches are generally close aswell. Nadal wins 66% of all their matches so its not TOO bad. Sampras and Agassi was 20-14 would you call that a rivalry?
Yes good point but remember that Federer was far more dominant on Hard a few years ago when they would of competed on it (I will leave out Grass as not enough chances for them to play on it). So if they played 9 Hard matches it would be like 6-3 in Fed's favour.Nope. Still won't be close. Suppose Nadal makes 9 extra finals on non-clay surfaces. Current the ratio of Nadal vs Federer on non-clay surface is 5-4 so we will assume that Federer will win 5 and Nadal will win 4 of those extra 9 finals. The total H2H will be 17-11 which still wouldn't be close. However you look at it, Nadal is still the better of the two.
You're being very biased toward your favorite player. If you want to play that game, a person who favors Nadal can choose to use the ratio based one their first ever meeting alone in which a 17 year-old Nadal beat Federer in straight set. So Nadal will have the tendency to win the match with 100% probability. The fact is if you're going to choose only a certain time period, then the comparison wouldn't be fair. Hence the most logical ratio to use is the current 5-4 ratio. Let's not even go on the future tendency that Federer will most likely lose to Nadal in any surface from now on.Yes good point but remember that Federer was far more dominant on Hard a few years ago when they would of competed on it (I will leave out Grass as not enough chances for them to play on it). So if they played 9 Hard matches it would be like 6-3 in Fed's favour.
Epic video, but honestly 13-6 is not a rivalry.
Yeah and you have to remember it would be ALOT closer if Nadal was as good as Federer on hard and got to as many finals as Fed has.
Nadal is better than Federer on hard. Have you ever heard of the Australian Open? And where was Federer in the Indian Wells final, or Toronto last year, or the Olympics, or Miami last year? Funny, it looks like Federer's the one who's not making the hard court finals. Finals he would've lost if he made it to anyway. Federer should be thankful that he sucks on hard court, or he'd make it to the final more often and have an even worse record against Nadal.
well Agassi won a substantial amount of matches. 14 against the best of generation is very good. With Roger, I think he wont be winning many more against nadal and nadal will just tally up more and more wins. I mean Federer hasn't won a match since 2007. Agassi beat Sampars almost every year of their rivalry. So this isnt looking good for fed. Nadal has single handedly ruined the conception that federer is the GOAT. I was adamant that federer was the GOAT until I saw Nadal destroy fed on every surface.
Epic video, but honestly 13-6 is not a rivalry.
-8 GS Hacdcourt titlesNadal is better than Federer on hard. Have you ever heard of the Australian Open? And where was Federer in the Indian Wells final, or Toronto last year, or the Olympics, or Miami last year? Funny, it looks like Federer's the one who's not making the hard court finals. Finals he would've lost if he made it to anyway. Federer should be thankful that he sucks on hard court, or he'd make it to the final more often and have an even worse record against Nadal.
Epic video, but honestly 13-6 is not a rivalry.
Nadal is better than Federer on hard. Have you ever heard of the Australian Open? And where was Federer in the Indian Wells final, or Toronto last year, or the Olympics, or Miami last year? Funny, it looks like Federer's the one who's not making the hard court finals. Finals he would've lost if he made it to anyway. Federer should be thankful that he sucks on hard court, or he'd make it to the final more often and have an even worse record against Nadal.
Depends on what your definition of rivalry is.
-8 GS Hacdcourt titles
-10 Hardcourt Masters titles
-Longest hardcourt winning streak 56 matches
Where was Nadal in Federers USO wins in 05,06,07,08? How about his AO wins in 06,07? Or how about his numerous HC master series wins and finals? The fact that you think Federer sucks on HC is laughable. You name 4 HC finals that Nadal made and Federer did not in Masters and GS events. I can name 6 GS finals and 11 Master series finals that Nadal has not made since 2005 but Federer has.
nadal is better than federer (who won 8 of his 13 slams on hardcourts) yet he sucks on hardcourts? care to enlighten me on that one?
Too bad Nadal couldn't have made it to more non-clay finals during Fed's peak years. The first two Wimbledons that the two played are a good indication of how THAT would have played out.
Yeah and you have to remember it would be ALOT closer if Nadal was as good as Federer on hard and got to as many finals as Fed has.
-8 GS Hacdcourt titles
-10 Hardcourt Masters titles
-Longest hardcourt winning streak 56 matches
Where was Nadal in Federers USO wins in 05,06,07,08? How about his AO wins in 06,07? Or how about his numerous HC master series wins and finals? The fact that you think Federer sucks on HC is laughable. You name 4 HC finals that Nadal made and Federer did not in Masters and GS events. I can name 6 GS finals and 11 Master series finals that Nadal has not made since 2005 but Federer has.
how does he suck on hardcourts? he is the Australian Open champ idiot.
that said, if they had met more on hard a couple of years ago when fed was playing better tennis I think the head to head wouldn't be so lobsided for nadal.
So you name 7 masters events + the extremely prestigious Olympics and I name 6 GS finals and 11 Masters finals I also forgot his 4 YEC and 1 YEC runner-up which Nadal can't even get to a final of. But you still think that you have a better point than me hmm...Oh really???
Well I see...
2005 Montreal (Hard)
2005 Madrid (Indoor Hard)
2007 Indian Wells (Hard)
2007 Paris (Indoor Carpet)
2008 Miami (Hard)
2008 Toronto (Hard)
2009 Indian Wells (Hard)
7 masters finals plus the 2008 Beijing Olympics where Nadal was in the final and Roger was NOT on the other side of the net. Also Nadal is 3-1 vs Roger on hardcourts outdoors, and the match Rafa lost he led 6-2,7-6,4-1. So your point would be......????
Yeah and you have to remember it would be ALOT closer if Nadal was as good as Federer on hard and got to as many finals as Fed has.
If this doesn't get you pumped up nothing will.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5ua4SnMLj4&feature=related
So you name 7 masters events + the extremely prestigious Olympics and I name 6 GS finals and 11 Masters finals I also forgot his 4 YEC and 1 YEC runner-up which Nadal can't even get to a final of. But you still think that you have a better point than me hmm...
Also Fed didn't compete at 2005 Montreal, 2005 Madrid so its not like he could of made the final. I must admit though Nadal also didn't compete in 2006 AO but its still very compelling in Fed's favour.
Yeah and you have to remember it would be ALOT closer if Nadal was as good as Federer on hard and got to as many finals as Fed has.
Well nadal has virtually taken of to another planet. He has wiped the floor with roger the last five times they have played and has no defeated federer in the final of every slam except the USO. I mean they are tied 3-3 on hardcourts and Federer is the most accomplished player on hardcourts with 8 slams. "Domination" is the right word when I see the H2H rec. with that being said, I have not lost hope in Roger. This years wimbledon is going to be very very crucial! If federer wins, he will get a huge burst of confidence.
Lol, welcome to the team of nadals freak, veroniquem, therafa and morrissey...congratulations-you are an idiot
Oh really???
Well I see...
2005 Montreal (Hard)
2005 Madrid (Indoor Hard)
2007 Indian Wells (Hard)
2007 Paris (Indoor Carpet)
2008 Miami (Hard)
2008 Toronto (Hard)
2009 Indian Wells (Hard)
7 masters finals plus the 2008 Beijing Olympics where Nadal was in the final and Roger was NOT on the other side of the net. Also Nadal is 3-1 vs Roger on hardcourts outdoors, and the match Rafa lost he led 6-2,7-6,4-1. So your point would be......????
Funny you don't mention their indoor matches in 2006 and 2007, which in the later Nadal got spanked hard.
Fed's H2H with Nadal tells nothing about the real story of their rivlary. it had more to do with Federer choking than Nadal truly beating him.
Rome 2006: Fed choked after a huge lead (2 match points)
Monte Carlo 2008: Fed choked (after leading by a double break)
Hamburg 2008: Fed choked (after having a set point leading 5-1 in the 1st set)
Wimbeldon 2008: Fed choked (after leading by a break in the 2nd, he lost it)
AO 2009: Super choke from Fed (billion BPs, Fed had all of the first four sets won, yet he couldn't convert or hold serve because he choked)
If had didn't choke, he might still have lost some of these matches, but I truly think he'd won at least 2-3 of them, makingthe H2H more like 10-9 or 11-8 than what it is now.
Nadal is a superior mental player. He is not a superior tennis player.
i was asking the same question idiot! go back to your preschool class and ask your teacher to have a 24/7 lesson on reading comprehension!