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Why does everyone keep on insisting Nadal was exhausted. After all he only played one set more than Federer in the Semi finals. Surely that would exhaust the "Beast" , the "Bull".
Why the fatigue excuse for Nadal
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Swissv2
Hall of Fame
Nadal gets more tired than any other player in the history of the game. He is just a world of tired tiredness when he is tired. It's tiring watching how tired he moves his tired body when hes exhausted. If he encounters and Djokos or Murrays or makes it to the final round, you can guarentee hes exhausted unlike any others.
Nadal_Freak
Banned
A 2 hour match with Verdasco and a 4 hour match with Djokovic in back-to-back days did the trick. Too bad there wasn't a day between the Semis and Finals. I think the top players that have byes should start on Tuesday and have Saturday off to recover after 4 straight days of tennis so we see a high level final. 
datsveryinterestin
Professional
My personal opinion is that he was tired and his leg was not 100%.
He "could" have tried harder, but I think he was advised by his team to not go "all out" and risk his record 5th consecutive French Open title. He competed, and was outplayed by Federer, but I think we shall see the real Rafa return at Roland Garros.
That Djokovic semi-final was the final for Rafa. He was pushed to the limit and found a way to win, but it cost him because it took a lot out of him and strained his legs. If Roger had mis-fired on serves and backhands and shanked forehands, Rafa still could've won, but an improved Federer against a sluggish Rafa and I am pretty sure he was told not to push it into a marathon 3 set battle.
In the process, he gives Roger a trophy, which no champion wants to do, but Rafa's eyes are on the prize at the end of the RG2009!
Summary : rafa gave roger a wedding present!
He "could" have tried harder, but I think he was advised by his team to not go "all out" and risk his record 5th consecutive French Open title. He competed, and was outplayed by Federer, but I think we shall see the real Rafa return at Roland Garros.
That Djokovic semi-final was the final for Rafa. He was pushed to the limit and found a way to win, but it cost him because it took a lot out of him and strained his legs. If Roger had mis-fired on serves and backhands and shanked forehands, Rafa still could've won, but an improved Federer against a sluggish Rafa and I am pretty sure he was told not to push it into a marathon 3 set battle.
In the process, he gives Roger a trophy, which no champion wants to do, but Rafa's eyes are on the prize at the end of the RG2009!
Summary : rafa gave roger a wedding present!
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
They are just Nadal Haters who want us all to believe the most fit guy on tour is a wuss. >>>> I'm not buying.
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
A 2 hour match with Verdasco and a 4 hour match with Djokovic in back-to-back days did the trick. Too bad there wasn't a day between the Semis and Finals. I think the top players that have byes should start on Tuesday and have Saturday off to recover after 4 straight days of tennis so we see a high level final.
We did. Unfortunately for you, the high level of play came from the new KING OF CLAY.
datsveryinterestin
Professional
For those unaware, Drakulie stalks and trolls me daily and posts lies about me daily!!!
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
bluetrain4
G.O.A.T.
There's been about a hundred threads relating to the the "fallout" from the Madrid Masters on every possible subject regarding Nadal and Fed. Legitimate discussions, impassioned arguments, and, unfortunately, direct and indirect attacks on Fed and Nadal and their fans.
I have to laugh because I don't think I've ever seen a match of this relative insignificance (key word: relative. I'm not saying it wasn't significant, but in the larger context of Slams and the players' entire careers, it was relatively insignifcant), cause such a fervor.
I have to laugh because I don't think I've ever seen a match of this relative insignificance (key word: relative. I'm not saying it wasn't significant, but in the larger context of Slams and the players' entire careers, it was relatively insignifcant), cause such a fervor.
King of Aces
Banned
I have note heard anyone use that reason.
Voltron
Hall of Fame
Agreed, doesn't it seem strange that some people on this forum will speak of Nadal being the most fit on the tour and exhausted by a normal schedule in the same breath.
Yep, Roger finally did it. :lol:
vtmike
Banned
Oh really........:roll:
Heres another one in case you are "tired"...
datsveryinterestin
Professional
we shall see on May 31st!
i am THRILLED that federer might be back though. i hope he enjoyed his wife-taking/baby-making vacation!!!!
i am THRILLED that federer might be back though. i hope he enjoyed his wife-taking/baby-making vacation!!!!
King of Aces
Banned
Well I do not agree that Nadal was tired.
Nadal lost for 4 reasons:
1- Federer was the better player that day
2- The conditions favored Federer as the altitude of Madrid makes the ball fly a bit quicker
3- The clay in Spain is very different than the clay in France. In spain its sort of a dusty sandy surface but in France it is crushed brick
4- Nadal was tired....JUST KIDDING .
Heres another one in case you are "tired"...
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S
Serendipitous
Guest
Nadal was tired. He said himself he wasn't at 100%. End of discussion.
http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/1/en/news/newsarticle_3698.asp
Let's not argue with Nadal, okay?
http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/1/en/news/newsarticle_3698.asp
Let's not argue with Nadal, okay?
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
Then next time,dont argue when Roger says he had bad back , mono or whatever.
He too has a right to give his reasons.
S
Serendipitous
Guest
Lol, I never said anything about Roger giving excuses. I have no doubt that he was injured when he said he was injured.
You really need to chill. No one's dissing Roger.
I think he played well and deserved the title.
I'm just saying Nadal wasn't at 100%.
How can you say Roger was deserving if the other player was hurt or tired?
S
Serendipitous
Guest
Roger played very well.
But according to you that "very well" play was only possible in the context of Nadal being tired or hurt. So it's not a genuine "very well".
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
OK we agree then
A match contains various components and if Nadal says he was tired I'll take his word for it.
His fans need to stop going overboard though.
S
Serendipitous
Guest
Okay, if you insist.
Nadal's energy level has no affect on Federer's play. Federer can play badly or he can play very well. That day he played very well.
So he won.
S
Serendipitous
Guest
OK we agree then
A match contains various components and if Nadal says he was tired I'll take his word for it.
His fans need to stop going overboard though.
Good! I'm glad we agree!
Life is good when people agree.
Does being tired during this match reflect negatively on Nadal as a tennis player in any way? That is the real question.
Does being tired mean that we didn't see the "real" Nadal which means there is nothing negative about being tired.
Or does being tired mean that Nadal has a flaw as a player, which is 1) his fitness is sub-par for his style of game or 2) Nadal is not capable of winning in a more efficient way as to preserve energy because he is not that much better than his opponents?
Does being tired mean that we didn't see the "real" Nadal which means there is nothing negative about being tired.
Or does being tired mean that Nadal has a flaw as a player, which is 1) his fitness is sub-par for his style of game or 2) Nadal is not capable of winning in a more efficient way as to preserve energy because he is not that much better than his opponents?
I didn't insist anything. I'm just trying to clarify your contradictory statements. Of course Nadal's energy level would affect how well Federer plays. If he's tired and can't reach certain balls, those shots by Federer would appears as winners whereas normally they would not. Thus making Federer's play appear better that it is. Just be consistent in your analysis.
gj011
Banned
I have yet to see Federer fan give Djokovic credit for wins in Miami and Rome SFs.
These were both clean wins against rested opponent.
S
Serendipitous
Guest
It sounds as if you're saying that Federer didn't deserve the victory.
I said Federer deserved it and you're arguing with me.
I'd say it reflects very negatively. Fitness is a part of tennis just as natural skill is. It just goes to show how hard he has to push to match the best players (and beat them at the moment). He will eventually not be able to maintain this level and will fall off sooner than someone like Fed who expends a lot less energy to accomplish similar feats.
I'm not saying anything. I'm trying to make your words consistent. You can't on the one hand claim Nadal was tired (i.e. did not play his best) and then in the next breath say Fed deserved it. Would you feel deserving if you beat your rival but he was playing with a broken toe?
I do think Fed deserved it, but I don't believe Nadal was tired, I believe he was outplayed. Do you see the consistency? Try it, you might like it.
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S
Serendipitous
Guest
Please - we don't need those little snide comments.
Nadal wasn't at 100% (as he himself said).
Federer played very well. He served well and hit his ground strokes well.
Federer deserved it because he played very well.
Done.
You just don't seem to get it. Ok forget it.
FuriousYellow
Professional
Why the doubt? It wasn't just the extra time he put in Madrid. He played in the Finals of Rome, Barcelona, Monte Carlo, and Indian Wells and the semis in Miami. That's a lot of tennis for two months.
S
Serendipitous
Guest
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
That's very true. Djokovic got no credit at all.
kraggy
Banned
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=261643
Bad case of amnesia for you Agony, you even posted in this thread?! Be careful when you make blatant statements.
King of Aces
Banned
I have.
Federer won because he was the better player that day on those courts in the best of 3 sets.....
Federer played great!
