Can Federer win the French again.

Can Federer ever win the French again?

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navratilovafan

navratilovafan

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Now that he has gotten the monkey off his back does anyone think it is possible for Federer to win the French again in his career? I personally think it is possible although it will be hard. Nadal's dominance on clay could easily be resumed but until we see the start of next year we cant say with total certainty. Especialy if the questions on his health continue, and I like Rafa so I hope they do not but that is reality until a bit more time passes. Del Potro is a huge up and comer on clay and hard courts. Djokovic is still and up and comer and threat on clay. Murray could develop into one although he isnt seriously a big one yet. Soderling I bet proves to be a one event wonder but we will see. So can Federer win the French again now that he has the monkey off his back finally.
 
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Serendipitous

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Probably not.


I feel like he would have less motivation, having won it already.
 
navratilovafan

navratilovafan

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I think it will be easier for him to play the French in the future. He doesnt have that pressure having never won it, he can just swing out and swing freely. He already has 5 straight years of semis-final-final-final-champion so has easily proved his consistency and longevity on the surface too. If he plays Nadal in the final he would realize beating Nadal to win another French would just be the icing on the cake and he could play stress free moreso than in their past finals. He could just go for everything, atleast I would like to think he feels that way.
 
thalivest

thalivest

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I hope he doesnt since I want Nadal to win the next 3 to get the record before he gets too old, and I would even rather Del Potro than Federer as I like him alot. However I would have to say yes it is a possability. Not a certainty, a possability.
 
boredone3456

boredone3456

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thalivest said:
I hope he doesnt since I want Nadal to win the next 3 to get the record before he gets too old, and I would even rather Del Potro than Federer as I like him alot. However I would have to say yes it is a possability. Not a certainty, a possability.
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Completely agree
 
shadows

shadows

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It's a definite possibility I think, Rafa may well resume his domination next year, or one of the other guys may step up to the plate, but if Roger is fit and healthy then without the pressure he's had on himself for the last few years I think he's still going to be a real contender.
 
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joeri888

G.O.A.T.
It's possible, but more likely no than yes. Nadal is likely to do better next year and so is Djokovic. He will be a bit more relaxed probably but he just matches up awfully against Rafa at the French. it's possible, but he's a big underdog still.
 
harrpau7

harrpau7

Rookie
Yes, I think now he has won it, he will have less pressure, and can defo win it again.

If he only has one more victory over Nadal ever in his career, I hope it's in the french open final next year.

But whoever he has to play in the future, he can definitely win it again.

Federer = GOAT
 
Turning Pro

Turning Pro

Hall of Fame
Unlikely if he faces Nadal. 50/50 if he has to face Djoker. 60/40 if he faces Murray/Del Potro and very likely against everyone else.
 
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flying24

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Djokovic is so overrated it isnt even funny. Murray as well. Murray 40% chance vs Federer in a slam semi or final on clay, ROTFL!!!
 
Turning Pro

Turning Pro

Hall of Fame
flying24 said:
Djokovic is so overrated it isnt even funny. Murray as well. Murray 40% chance vs Federer in a slam semi or final on clay, ROTFL!!!
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Djoker recently beat Fed on clay, in fact, he's 1-0 on federer this yr on clay. Murray simply because of his H2h v's Fed and he's improving all the time.
 
Rhino

Rhino

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It's definitely possible. I would say it is probably unlikely, but it can be done, he's proved that.
Maybe he'll now do an Agassi and suddenly get even stronger in his later years. Who knows.
 
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flying24

Banned
Turning Pro said:
Djoker recently beat Fed on clay, in fact, he's 1-0 on federer this yr on clay. Murray simply because of his H2h v's Fed and he's improving all the time.
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Wawrinka is 1-0 vs Federer on clay this year, that is a fact. I guess he is 50-50 to beat Federer at the French next year too. :lol: Murray has proven squat on clay, playing Federer in small tournaments on hard courts when you are a hard court specialist to playing him in a big tournament on clay when you arent even a formidable clay courter is night and day.
 
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Tennis_Bum

Professional
navratilovafan said:
I think it will be easier for him to play the French in the future. He doesnt have that pressure having never won it, he can just swing out and swing freely. He already has 5 straight years of semis-final-final-final-champion so has easily proved his consistency and longevity on the surface too. If he plays Nadal in the final he would realize beating Nadal to win another French would just be the icing on the cake and he could play stress free moreso than in their past finals. He could just go for everything, atleast I would like to think he feels that way.
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It's possible. Why not considering your points about having already won the FO. Sure, he's not really over the hill yet and his fitness is right up there against the top players. On most days, I would argue that he was fitter than most of them. But let's see what will happen next year.
 
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Enigma_87

Professional
highly doubt so. I won't vote for it, as anything is possible, but Rafa is coming back strong next year, and Federer is getting closer to his 30's.

Funny enough I can see him beating Rafa there, as the monkey is off his back(having won), but I doubt that Soderling, Del Potro,Murray, Djokovic etc, won't improve and give him even more torrid time.

I reckon he'll have much tougher time reaching those finals next year.
 
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ghostbear

Rookie
Probably not. Even if you're a Fed fan, you have to admit everything went right for Fed for him to finally win the FO, as #1, 3, 4 all went out. Yet he still struggled against other players and even went as far as facing five points away from defeat. Fed knows he probably won't beat Nadal in the FO final. It's good for him to seize the opportunity this year, but I don't expect the same to happen next year.

"I knew the day Rafa won't be in the finals, I will be there and I will win. I always knew and that I believed in it. That's exactly what happened. It's funny. I didn't hope for it, but I believed in it."
 
GameSampras

GameSampras

Banned
Nah this was the perfect opportunity for Fed to win with Djoker and Nadal getting taking out. He will never have a chance like this again most likely. If he runs into Djoker and Nadal especially b2b he is toast. Would have been this year, the way he was playing narrowly avoiding losing to the likes of Haas and Del Potro.

This will be the only RG title I think.
 
GameSampras

GameSampras

Banned
ghostbear said:
Probably not. Even if you're a Fed fan, you have to admit everything went right for Fed for him to finally win the FO, as #1, 3, 4 all went out. Yet he still struggled against other players and even went as far as facing five points away from defeat. Fed knows he probably won't beat Nadal in the FO final. It's good for him to seize the opportunity this year, but I don't expect the same to happen next year.

"I knew the day Rafa won't be in the finals, I will be there and I will win. I always knew and that I believed in it. That's exactly what happened. It's funny. I didn't hope for it, but I believed in it."
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LOL.. I bet Fed hoped for it behind closed doors. He didnt want a buttwhoopin again from Nadal.
 
kimbahpnam

kimbahpnam

Hall of Fame
who thought that Roger had a chance this year after last year's final???

Roger just proved everybody that he can.
 
GameSampras

GameSampras

Banned
kimbahpnam said:
who thought that Roger had a chance this year after last year's final???

Roger just proved everybody that he can.
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Sure without having to deal with Djoker and Nadal. No way Fed would have got through both players IMO. He only had to deal with one top ten player at RG. Very fortunate.

Sure Fed can win it again. If he receives another draw like he did this year
 
thalivest

thalivest

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GameSampras said:
Sure without having to deal with Djoker and Nadal. No way Fed would have got through both players IMO. He only had to deal with one top ten player at RG. Very fortunate.

Sure Fed can win it again. If he receives another draw like he did this year
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Just like your beloved Agassi would have never won the 99 French if he had to deal with Kuerten or Rios that year. Just like he would have never won any French if he had to beat any of Kuerten, Muster, Bruguera, or prime Courier in a given year. Or the idea of Agassi ever winning a French over prime Nadal, hahahaha. Atleast Federer took his one great shot. Rather than losing out on to a 30 year old career journeyman (ok maybe a bit harsh, career second tier player and whooping boy for Lendl and others at the top) in one of his shots.

Oh yeah Djokovic finally posts 1 narrow win over a badly off form/choking Federer in a best 2 of 3 on clay, and suddenly Federer couldnt have beaten him? Federer has only achieved alot more on clay than Djokovic, still has a winning head to head with Djokovic overall and on clay, and is by far the better slam performer but Djokovic has it in the bag now. Delusional clown as usual.
 
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GameSampras

GameSampras

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Agassi did reach two other RG finals you know. Why are u dissing Andre? Was talking about Andre anyways?


And do u really believe Fed would have gotten through Djoker and Nadal b2b? BWAHAHA Please.. He narrowly escaped Tommy Freakin Haas and the 14 year old Del Potro just hitting puberty. Gimme a break man. Fed only dealt with one top 10 player the whole slam. If that isnt a cakewalk I dunno what is
 
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Enigma_87

Professional
GameSampras said:
Sure without having to deal with Djoker and Nadal. No way Fed would have got through both players IMO. He only had to deal with one top ten player at RG. Very fortunate.

Sure Fed can win it again. If he receives another draw like he did this year
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What's with all those Djokovic stuff?

Federer has 7-4 winning h2h against him, 2-1 on clay. You base the fact that he lost a tight match at Rome months ago that he won't get through him?

Have I missed something what has exactly Djokovic achieved in his career on clay? Straight setted each and every time by Nadal, beat the grand total of one top ten player in Paris - a tight 5 setter against Gonzo,didn't beat any top 20 player on his road to the title in Rome last year. Took only two sets off Nadal. Yet you are comparing him to 3 times RG finalist, only to lose to Nadal(1SF), 4 times Hamburg champion, Madrid champion, beating twice Nadal and giving him a bagel back then, twice finalist in Rome(having a match point against Nadal) losing a 5 setter against Rafa in tie break, three times back to back finalist in MC, only losing to Nadal.

Tell me in which parallel universe Djokovic had it all but wrapped up win against Federer in the RG SF? He lost comprehensively to Kohlschreiber who was easily brushed aside by a frieking Robredo.

On what grounds exactly is Djokovic a better clay court player than Federer? Hell Canas beat him back to back in Miami and IW, does this mean that we shouldn't count winning Flushing because he didn't met him there, and ultimately he's better than him on HCs?
 
kimbahpnam

kimbahpnam

Hall of Fame
GameSampras said:
Sure without having to deal with Djoker and Nadal. No way Fed would have got through both players IMO. He only had to deal with one top ten player at RG. Very fortunate.

Sure Fed can win it again. If he receives another draw like he did this year
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Your argument fails because you're blaming it on the draw. It's not the draw's fault. It's Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, whoever else that you seem to ignore...that deserves the blame for not making even to the quarters except murray...how sad.
 
GameSampras

GameSampras

Banned
Enigma_87 said:
What's with all those Djokovic stuff?

Federer has 7-4 winning h2h against him, 2-1 on clay. You base the fact that he lost a tight match at Rome months ago that he won't get through him?

Have I missed something what has exactly Djokovic achieved in his career on clay? Straight setted each and every time by Nadal, beat the grand total of one top ten player in Paris - a tight 5 setter against Gonzo,didn't beat any top 20 player on his road to the title in Rome last year. Took only two sets off Nadal. Yet you are comparing him to 3 times RG finalist, only to lose to Nadal(1SF), 4 times Hamburg champion, Madrid champion, beating twice Nadal and giving him a bagel back then, twice finalist in Rome(having a match point against Nadal) losing a 5 setter against Rafa in tie break, three times back to back finalist in MC, only losing to Nadal.

Tell me in which parallel universe Djokovic had it all but wrapped up win against Federer in the RG SF? He lost comprehensively to Kohlschreiber who was easily brushed aside by a frieking Robredo.

On what grounds exactly is Djokovic a better clay court player than Federer? Hell Canas beat him back to back in Miami and IW, does this mean that we shouldn't count winning Flushing because he didn't met him there, and ultimately he's better than him on HCs?
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Im not saying Fed couldnt beat Djoker at RG. But I think back to back against DJoker and Nadal would have been way too much for Roger to handle at the French. Thus why Fed's RG win was extremely fortunate.
 
thalivest

thalivest

Banned
GameSampras said:
Agassi did reach two other RG finals you know. Why are u dissing Andre?


And do u really believe Fed would have gotten through Djoker and Nadal b2b? BWAHAHA Please.. He narrowly escaped Tommy Freakin Haas and the 14 year old Del Potro just hitting puberty. Gimme a break man
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Federer did reach THREE other RG finals, more than Agassi and his career isnt even over yet. So why are you dissing Federer.

I am bringing up Agassi for the most obvious reasons. Everyone knows you are a lovesick Agassi/ Sampras fanatic. You gush over Agassi's career slam endlessly in the Former Pro Player Section in an attempt to buff up his career. Yet anything you are saying about Federer's French Open title could be applied to Agassi's even moreso. Agassi could only win a French avoiding 2 players that year he would have never beaten, he could only have a French that decade avoiding 4 or 5 different players he couldnt beat near their peaks on clay, his draw was even weaker than Federer's this year, his opponents gave him even more help. So you prove again what a delusional two faced clown you are by ripping on Federer's French Open title with your baloney excuses after pimping up Agassi's career slam feat for so long despite that his French Open title was an even bigger joke if you insist on looking at it that way.

You are the one who is a joke if you think Djokovic is suddenly some lock to beat Federer on clay. What a tool. Djokovic doesnt even scrape the surface of Federer's clay court achievements. Djokovic has a losing head to head with Federer overall and on clay both. His one win over Federer was in a best 2 out of 3 where Federer played awful and still had to choke away a set and break lead vs an in form Djokovic. Federer is by far the bigger grand slam performer of the two. Djokovic has beaten only one top 50 player at the French since 2006, and couldnt even get a set when he faced another one in Kohlschreiber at this years French. Yet he was going to beat Federer at the French this year. Like I said you are and will always be nothing more than a delusional clown.

As for Nadal, I am a huge Nadal fan but he got his butt kicked by Soderling who in turn got his butt kicked by Federer. Federer beat Nadal in straight sets only a couple weeks ago. It doesnt matter who you think would have won if they played here, Federer > Nadal on clay these last few weeks without question.
 
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JeMar

JeMar

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GameSampras said:
Im not saying Fed couldnt beat Djoker at RG. But I think back to back against DJoker and Nadal would have been way too much for Roger to handle at the French. Thus why Fed's RG win was extremely fortunate.
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It's not Federer's fault that Nadal and Djoko weren't good enough this week to get to the semis and final.
 
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Enigma_87

Professional
GameSampras said:
Agassi did reach two other RG finals you know. Why are u dissing Andre? Was talking about Andre anyways?


And do u really believe Fed would have gotten through Djoker and Nadal b2b? BWAHAHA Please.. He narrowly escaped Tommy Freakin Haas and the 14 year old Del Potro just hitting puberty. Gimme a break man. Fed only dealt with one top 10 player the whole slam. If that isnt a cakewalk I dunno what is
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so in 97 Sampras didn't beat any top 20 player during his SW19 win. He struggled with Petr Korda.We should put an * because he didn't met Krajicek?
Next year he won it without beating any top 10 player as well, should we put an * again?

The last SW19 he won, the highest seeded he beat was #21 Rafter in the final, the list goes on and on.

The draw is as it is. Soderling beat comprehensively Nadal, and was the best in form player to be in that final. Same goes for Delpo and Monfils for the SF and QF in Rogers half.
 
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BigServer1

Legend
GameSampras said:
Sure without having to deal with Djoker and Nadal. No way Fed would have got through both players IMO. He only had to deal with one top ten player at RG. Very fortunate.

Sure Fed can win it again. If he receives another draw like he did this year
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Monfils is #10 in the world so with him and Delpo it was technically 2 top 10s. If we're going by seeds, I concede the point.

With that said, the highest seed that Nadal faced was #23 (now 12 in the world, to be fair), and Djokovic faced Kholi (#31), and imo, Monfils/DelPo is tougher than Davydenko/Gonzo, so of the players left in the draw, Federer definitely had the harder path to the win.

Will he ever do this again? Probably not, but who the hell knows? After the last three years, I never expected him to do it once...
 
GameSampras

GameSampras

Banned
thalivest said:
Federer did reach THREE other RG finals, more than Agassi and his career isnt even over yet. So why are you dissing Federer.

I am bringing up Agassi for the most obvious reasons. Everyone knows you are a lovesick Agassi/ Sampras fanatic. You gush over Agassi's career slam endlessly in the Former Pro Player Section in an attempt to buff up his career. Yet anything you are saying about Federer's French Open title could be applied to Agassi's even moreso. Agassi could only win a French avoiding 2 players that year he would have never beaten, he could only have a French that decade avoiding 4 or 5 different players he couldnt beat near their peaks on clay, his draw was even weaker than Federer's this year, his opponents gave him even more help. So you prove again what a delusional two faced clown you are by ripping on Federer's French Open title with your baloney excuses after pimping up Agassi's career slam feat for so long despite that his French Open title was an even bigger joke if you insist on looking at it that way.

You are the one who is a joke if you think Djokovic is suddenly some lock to beat Federer on clay. What a tool. Djokovic doesnt even scrape the surface of Federer's clay court achievements. Djokovic has a losing head to head with Federer overall and on clay both. His one win over Federer was in a best 2 out of 3 where Federer played awful and still had to choke away a set and break lead vs an in form Djokovic. Federer is by far the bigger grand slam performer of the two. Djokovic has beaten only one top 50 player at the French since 2006, and couldnt even get a set when he faced another one in Kohlschreiber at this years French. Yet he was going to beat Federer at the French this year. Like I said you are and will always be nothing more than a delusional clown.

As for Nadal, I am a huge Nadal fan but he got his butt kicked by Soderling who in turn got his butt kicked by Federer. Federer beat Nadal in straight sets only a couple weeks ago. It doesnt matter who you think would have won if they played here, Federer > Nadal on clay these last few weeks without question.
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Sure Nadal got beat by Soderling. Any news on how bad Nadal's knee is? Was this the same Soderling in the final that we saw vs. Nadal? I didnt watch the Nadal-Soderling match but from the opening point on today in the finals , Im still scratching my head to even understand how Soderling even made the finals. His movement was crappy, his 1st service percentage was TRASH and he couldnt even return a Fed serve to save his life. He was making Fed's serve look like Sampras' or Karlovic's.

Now this kind of strikes me as either:

A:) Nadal was just having an off day and Soderling was on fire

B:) There is really something seriously wrong with Nadal physically

C:) Soderling just laid an egg in the final and folded like a cheapsuit under pressure

Because what I saw of Soderling today, no way did he look like a player that should have been in the finals. Totally unimpressive and looked like he didnt even belong there
 
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Enigma_87

Professional
GameSampras said:
Im not saying Fed couldnt beat Djoker at RG. But I think back to back against DJoker and Nadal would have been way too much for Roger to handle at the French. Thus why Fed's RG win was extremely fortunate.
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Aham. So your point is that Federer would be too tired to beat Nadal and Djokovic? Never mind he played 2 five setters and 2 4setters, along the way. Not that he played like 3.30 hrs 5 setter in the semi and looked much, much fitter than Soderling today, not to mention that we never saw even a fringe of him looking tired at any point of todays match or against Monfils after the 5 setter against Haas.

At AO he played a tight 5 setter against Berdych coming from 2-0 behind, then he completely manhandled Delpo giving him 3 games i 3 sets. Seriously what's your point?Nadal getting eliminated? Soderling was by far the better player that day, he was beaten by Federer. Sod also beat Gonzo, both banging over like 200 winners on that day and Davydenko on the way, not that he was a one match wonder aye?
 
thalivest

thalivest

Banned
GameSampras said:
Sure Nadal got beat by Soderling. Any news on how bad Nadal's knee is? Was this the same Soderling in the final that we saw vs. Nadal? I didnt watch the Nadal-Soderling match but from the opening point on today in the finals , Im still scratching my head to even understand how Soderling even made the finals. His movement was crappy, his 1st service percentage was TRASH and he couldnt even return a Fed serve to save his life.

Now this kind of strikes me as either:

A:) Nadal was just having an off day and Soderling was on fire

B:) There is really something seriously wrong with Nadal physically

C:) Soderling just laid an egg in the final and folded like a cheapsuit under pressure

Because what I saw of Soderling today, no way did he look like a player that should have been in the finals. Totally unimpressive and looked like he didnt even belong there
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A) yes that is what happened

B) we will see. I am hoping his WD from Queens is just precautionary and not a big deal of course.

C) Soderling played pretty well, he had more winners than errors which isnt easy to do on clay. Federer played an incredible final and kicked his behind, period. He was extremely agressive from all parts of the court and still made very few mistakes, one of his best clay court matches ever. You are pathetic with your inability to admit players lose to Federer simply because he plays well. If it isnt close they choked and played bad, if it is closer and they lose they must have choked. Whatever, anyone could make those excuses if they wanted to for a player they didnt like. I dont even like Federer but I would never embarass myself to the extent you do.
 
thalivest

thalivest

Banned
Enigma_87 said:
Aham. So your point is that Federer would be too tired to beat Nadal and Djokovic? Never mind he played 2 five setters and 2 4setters, along the way. Not that he played like 3.30 hrs 5 setter in the semi and looked much, much fitter than Soderling today, not to mention that we never saw even a fringe of him looking tired at any point of todays match or against Monfils after the 5 setter against Haas.

At AO he played a tight 5 setter against Berdych coming from 2-0 behind, then he completely manhandled Delpo giving him 3 games i 3 sets. Seriously what's your point?Nadal getting eliminated? Soderling was by far the better player that day, he was beaten by Federer. Sod also beat Gonzo, both banging over like 200 winners on that day and Davydenko on the way, not that he was a one match wonder aye?
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He never has a point. He doesnt even seem to have a clue the whole forum realizes what a d0uchebag he is.
 
thalivest

thalivest

Banned
GameSampras said:
Reported buddy. Stop a being a jerk. Go visit Nadal in rehab. Do something constructive
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You are telling me to do something constructive. You!?!?!?! Omigod, thanks for the biggest laugh I have had in so long. You the pathetic loser troll who posts 10000 times a day about nothing except whining about all of Federer's wins, making excuses for every match or event Sampras ever didnt win, calling all of todays players bums and clowns, and starting as many spam threads (many which get deleted) as possible.
 
GameSampras

GameSampras

Banned
thalivest said:
You are telling me to do something constructive. You!?!?!?! Omigod, thanks for the biggest laugh I have had in so long. You the pathetic loser troll who posts 10000 times a day about nothing except whining about all of Federer's wins, making excuses for every match or event Sampras didnt whine, and starting as many spam threads (many which get deleted) as possible.
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And youre the one resorting to namecalling. Not me. You have a problem with my posts just put me on your ignore list. I dont need to see you verbally insult me
 
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mercuryguy

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I think if the Fed is motivated enough I don't see why he can't beat Nadal, infact he can do it easily since he won't have that pressure anymore and also I'm sure he wants to beat Nadal on his fav surface
 
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dh003i

Legend
Yea, I think that beating Nadal on clay only gets easier from here-on for Federer, because he doesn't have the pressure. He can lose and, while not great, he now has on major hole in his career. So much less pressure. That permits him to play freely.

Of course, he still has to play great to beat an in-form Nadal, and Nadal at he top of his game on clay (i.e., last year's FO SF and F) is probably impossible for anyone in today's field to beat.

Now, hopefully Nadal recovers from his knee issues, and hopefully his team starts taking preventative measures and isn't always giving him rest only after something bad happens; but even assuming he gets better, that doesn't automatically mean he goes into unbeatable god-mode like he was in last year.
 
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ReturnWinner

Rookie
I doubt He will be that lucky again, against Acasuso besides losing a set faced four set points in the first set and was a break down 2-4 , in the third he was 1-5 and Acasuso had a set point on his own serve , against Haas he was losing two sets-zero and 3-4 and facing bp in the third, against Monfils faced set point in the tb against Del Potro he was losing two sets to one and in the second set he served 0 30 in 4-5 besides Djokovic and Nadal Upsets.
 
W

World Beater

Hall of Fame
ReturnWinner said:
I doubt He will be that lucky again, against Acasuso besides losing a set faced four set points in the first set and was a break down 2-4 , in the third he was 1-5 and Acasuso had a set point on his own serve , against Haas he was losing two sets-zero and 3-4 and facing bp in the third, against Monfils faced set point in the tb against Del Potro he was losing two sets to one and in the second set he served 0 30 in 4-5 besides Djokovic and Nadal Upsets.
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i wouldnt call it luck at all.

nadal was never going to go undefeated for 10 straight years at the french..it had to happen and it did.

federer has been winning close matches since he won his first slam, so luck has nothing to do with it.

will federer win again? unlikely... will it be luck if nadal loses early again? No, because history shows that its difficult to win a grand slam like the french again and again.
 
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