The Eastern Grip; The Grip of GOATs
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ronalditop
Hall of Fame
mkay... .
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TheMagicianOfPrecision
Guest
Well, everyone used the eastern forehand grip until 20-25 years ago, the last world n0 1 with an extreme eastern-grip was Sampras.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Um...there's also a #1 named Roger Federer? Did you forget about him?
Can't get anymore Eastern grip than this.
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
Federer uses semi western.
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TheMagicianOfPrecision
Guest
Federer uses semi-western, Sampras using eastern.Um...there's also a #1 named Roger Federer? Did you forget about him?
Can't get anymore Eastern grip than this.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Then you're either blind or don't know the difference between an Eastern grip and a Semi-Western Grip.
This is EASTERN:
This is SEMI-WESTERN:
Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXcsblS3Jl4
It proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Federer uses an Eastern Grip. Get your terminology straight.
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Xuxa Kuerten
Rookie
According to Will Hamilton, Fed uses eastern:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXcsblS3Jl4
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Whoops, Breakpoint was faster.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXcsblS3Jl4
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Whoops, Breakpoint was faster.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
If you don't think that's an Eastern grip then you either seriously need to get your eyes checked or learn your grip terminology.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
BTW, his Eastern forehand grip is what allows Federer to drive the ball flat with tremendous pace when he wants to, while Roddick with his Semi-Western grip can't even when he tries.
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
Then you're either blind or don't know the difference between an Eastern grip and a Semi-Western Grip.
This is EASTERN:
This is SEMI-WESTERN:
Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXcsblS3Jl4
It proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Federer uses an Eastern Grip. Get your terminology straight.
This is semi western
VivalaVida
Banned
I think it is extreme eastern. It is def not a legit eastern.
This is semi western
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Nope, that's still Eastern. Federer rotates his wrist after making contact with the ball. My pic shows the point of contact.
This is semi western
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
Agreed its extreme eastern/ semi western definatley not eastern.
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TennisandMusic
Guest
Roddick has gone much more western in recent years. When he was knocking the cover off the ball in 03 he was using more of a semi. Gilbert tried to get him to change it from his western, but he's gone back.
If you don't think you can drive the ball with a semi or a western grip, why don't we have a little hit sometime, like I've asked many times.
We'll see who drives the ball more. ;-)
_maxi
Banned
Federer does not hit flat, WTF??? The spin is ridiculous on his forehand.
フェデラー
Hall of Fame
Federer will hit very flat forehands when he has to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rab-dBOm7ns
Also to be Goat you have to have a 1) one handed backhand 2) Use wilson and 3) have used or use babolat string.
All of these things Federer, Sampras and Graf have in common.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rab-dBOm7ns
Also to be Goat you have to have a 1) one handed backhand 2) Use wilson and 3) have used or use babolat string.
All of these things Federer, Sampras and Graf have in common.
Utube doesn't show the spin well unless you are looking at one of the HD videos
I'm not sure but didn't Graf use a Dunlop 200g to win some of her titles?
fedtastic
Hall of Fame
I think Federer uses the Eastern grip on more than 90% of his FH shots but he might change his grip slightly to more extreme or less extreme depending on the shots he plays.
The Fuzzy yellow balls guys did a research on this and found out that Federer used the Eastern FH 1999 out of the 2000 shots they analyzed.
The Fuzzy yellow balls guys did a research on this and found out that Federer used the Eastern FH 1999 out of the 2000 shots they analyzed.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Who's forehand has a flatter trajectory, Federer's or Nadal's?
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
I'm talking about driving the ball flat, not driving the ball with a loopy, topspin trajectory like Nadal, Roddick, Djokovic, etc.Roddick has gone much more western in recent years. When he was knocking the cover off the ball in 03 he was using more of a semi. Gilbert tried to get him to change it from his western, but he's gone back.
If you don't think you can drive the ball with a semi or a western grip, why don't we have a little hit sometime, like I've asked many times.
MichaelChang
Hall of Fame
as BP has pointed out, FYB already did their homework and proved Federer hits majority of his forehands with eastern grip. There is no more need to further argue over this. He might hit with semi western once in a while, but vast majority is hit with eastern.
This surely surprises many people, since most pros hits with semi western or full western, especially the spaniards. But that is why Federer is Federer.
J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
The guy is a Djackass, but I wouldn't lump his FH into the loopy topspin trajectory category.
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J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
It isn't the grip, it is the swingpath, plenty of players can light off flat bullets with more western grips.
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leonidas1982
Hall of Fame
Unfortunately, most people on here confuse topspin/ball-revolution with trajectory/net-clearance.
dincuss
Hall of Fame
Very true,
If a western grip player uses a "full"* stroke they can execute a flat shot,
Whereas if an eastern play uses a windshield wiper stroke hey can get loads of spin.
*By full stroke I mean finishing over the shoulder.
World Beater
Hall of Fame
federer might use an eastern for his fh but its definately not the same as pete's grip. i dont know the terminology too well but i have tried to hit fhs with both pete's and roger's grips - they are not the same.
pete's fh was mostly forearm and arm. roger uses more wrist to generate the spin.
pete's fh was mostly forearm and arm. roger uses more wrist to generate the spin.
chrisdaniel
Semi-Pro
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federer uses eastern.
federer uses eastern.
フェデラー
Hall of Fame
that is something i noticed while watching slo mo vids. you can really see the wrist rotation.
Who DOESN'T have a flatter trajectory than Nadal? That doesn't mean Fed hit's flat. he has wicked spin. Connors hit flat.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Ball trajectory is not the same as ball spin. You can hit the ball with more pace when you hit a flatter trajectory.
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TheMagicianOfPrecision
Guest
Federer uses semi-western most of the time, sometimes he uses eastern depending on what shotss he has to deal with
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TheMagicianOfPrecision
Guest
Good post Cesc, that is correct. Id say Federer changes his grip on different surfaces. on grass he uses mostly Eastern. On clay its mostly semi-western
This is semi western
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TheMagicianOfPrecision
Guest
You are absolutely right! He does
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TheMagicianOfPrecision
Guest
One last thing, if Federer (according to you) uses an Eastern grip, what did Sampras and Edberg use?? ULTRA-Eastern ? Something never heard of? Plz tell me...
VivalaVida
Banned
Why is this such a big deal? Playing with an eastern grip does not make you a better or worse player.
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TheMagicianOfPrecision
Guest
Some ppl are very interested in technique,myself included...thought about that?:-?
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