dropshot winner
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Americans, I suppose.
That's why I wouldn't be surprised if some NFL player whose name most people in Europe have never heard of gets voted best athelete of the decade.
Atlete of The Decade
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Americans, I suppose.
That's why I wouldn't be surprised if some NFL player whose name most people in Europe have never heard of gets voted best athelete of the decade.
malakas
Banned
yeah :roll:
What is funny is that even they know and admit that their own american contestant are cheaters and drug users.lol
But not even the inclusion of Sumi in this,makes the contest lose all credibillity from the beginning no matter who makes it.You can't be too selfcentered and ignorant and make that competition and expect then ppl to take it seriously.
thanx for the info.I don't know how it is in anyway related to this thread..but thanx.
You're welcome.
dropshot winner
Hall of Fame
Yes, and it's not the first time that happened.
In 2005 (one of the greatest seasons of the open era) Federer was runner-up to Tom Lüthi.
That year Federer was voted the worlds best athlete, but just 2nd best of Switzerland
.The majority of the swiss public seems to be stupid, and not just about Federer, also in politics (bans of minarets).
dropshot winner
Hall of Fame
I just hope that for once the best athlete wins, and not the most popular athlete in the States.
Fedex
Legend
Again BEKELE! Why is he not mentioned?
Sorry for copying my own previous post.
It's very ignorant not to include him.
We are currently witnessing the greatest middle distance runner of all time.
Unless you're from the US
""The winner of 24 world and Olympic titles, more than anyone in athletics history; the breaker of six world records; unbeaten in his career over 10,000 metres; undefeated in three years and 26 track races over 3,000m or more; the greatest cross country runner ever with 11 global titles."
To put this into perspective, Bekele's 10,000 m world record time of 26 minutes 17 seconds is equivalent to running an average 100m time of 15.77 seconds.
That means he ran one hundred times 100m sprints back to back at a rate of 15.77 seconds!
Go out to your nearest track and run a sub 16 second 100m then imagine having to do that another 99 times without a break and I guarantee your chin will be on the ground in disbelief."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...le-is-the-Usain-Bolt-of-distance-running.html
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dropshot winner
Hall of Fame
I wish...
Fact is, most swiss have absolutely no idea where Federer ranks amonst other elite athletes.
The skier that got voted swiss sportsman of the year started his acceptance speak with a short apology to Federer!
Interesting competition. I am inclined to vote for Federer for achieving the ultimate prize which other's haven't achieved in their sport - winning a career slam (that puts him above Tiger).
Schumacher benefitted from being associated with Ferrari and besides Formula One isn't even an athletic sport, therefore you can't categorize them as athletes).
It should be either Federer or Woods for the win.
Schumacher benefitted from being associated with Ferrari and besides Formula One isn't even an athletic sport, therefore you can't categorize them as athletes).
It should be either Federer or Woods for the win.
malakas
Banned
how can you possibly in the same post say that F1 is not an athletic sport and then say Woods should be for the win?
slice bh compliment
G.O.A.T.
That's hilarious! Thanks for posting it.
malakas
Banned
well I like this.They are level headed and not getting fanatical and crazy like other nations would.They have shown him appreciation-the stamp-only living person to get one-the Halle..the cows.If it was like any other country,the boards would be flooded with loud ******* alpinists.
How can you call Formula One an athletic sport? If Schumacher was driving for some other team, he wouldn't have had half the success that he had with Ferrari. Both Federer and Woods have mastered their sports with their own skill.
Only after Lewis Hamilton entered the competition, more people have started considering F1 as a sport, before that, not many cared about it.
Golf isn't athletic but it requires your own skill to master the sport.
malakas
Banned
ALL HAIL the UK ethnocentrism and sauvinism!And I thought americans are bad!:roll: roflmao
Do you know that there are countries out of Great Britain?Or not yet?
and as you said Golf only requires skills same as F1 requires driving skills.What's the difference?
slice bh compliment
G.O.A.T.
Heyyy now, where do you think we learned ethnocentrism?
Naturally, you know, Sani, it's originally a Grrreek word, LOL!
The difference is if you give a person a Ferrari, obviously he has the advantage, and that isn't a level playing field. That isn't the case with either Tennis or Golf, it is a level playing field, and both Federer and Woods are standing out because of their excellence.
And about the popularity of F1, you can confirm anywhere that Lewis Hamilton had a major impact during his short time, more than Schumacher (in terms of popularity and not achievement).
malakas
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heh well I apologise I shouldn't have said it,but well..it happens that the american idiots are the idiots most shown on international television.So you can excuse me...?
malakas
Banned
When Shumi had the Ferrari he never stop winning,when others got the Ferrari they lost.Same equipment different driver.
I can confirm that the most famous and beloved driver was and is Shumi.Internationally.
You give "X" a Ferrari, and "Y" some other car, irrespective of whether "Y" is more talented than "X", "X already has the advantage. How is that a fair sport when we talk about overrall greatness? No, it isn't.
Your second point is debatable but that is not what this thread is about, so I won't continue debating on that. We can continue it some place else if you would like.
slice bh compliment
G.O.A.T.
heh well I apologise I shouldn't have said it,but well..it happens that the american idiots are the idiots most shown on international television.So you can excuse me...?
Hhaha no worries. Most of us are not that guy....but we need to own it. Really, I was mostly saying that ethnocentrism has been around since ancient times.
Not that it matter, but, as an American;-) who doesn't follow any kind of automobile racing, I agree. I'd also add Ayrton Senna and Mario Andretti to the top of the list. Oh, and Ricky Bobby, of course.
malakas
Banned
Equipment sure plays a very important role,but skills as much if not more.We both agree that golf is not real sport but only game where skills are needed.Therefore both golf and F1 belong in the same category of games.If Woods is in contention by the same logic should be Shumi.Shumi is much more famous than Woods worldwide,so I can't understand this.
of course.Do you know what the term barbarian meant?Anyone who isn't Greek.(and first it was even better-everyone who was not Athenian)
dropshot winner
Hall of Fame
I'm glad we don't hype our athletes like they do in the States, but Federer isn't getting the respect he deserves from the public.
Swiss athletes and a part of the public apprechiate him, that's why he the stamp was made, but for the vast rest of the swiss population there's not much (if any) difference between some swiss skier winning a race and Federer reaching 4 slam finals and getting a career slam.
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Fedex
Legend
Yes and they haven't changed.
My cousin took me to see Olympiakos in the Champions League recently. The gate of hell no 7 and all that.
If you aren't one of them look out.
In the domestic league now no Athens supporters travel to Thesaloniki and vice versa the rivalry is so dangerous.
Azzurri
Legend
the driver?? drivers are far from being athletes. Nerve and determination yes, but athletic...not even close.
Azzurri
Legend
F1 is more popular than golf in Europe? please show me any type of statistic that shows this. I doubt it.
Azzurri
Legend
LOL...you are sniffin some glue if you think Shumacher is anywhere near Woods's status. This may be my new signature. Everyone knows Tiger Woods is a global phenom...most people probably never heard of Shumacher or maybe they know he drives a car. But for whom, where and what he looks like...not a chance.
Again show me a statistic that shows sports people popularity. I would bet Shumacher is not even top 10.
OddJack
G.O.A.T.
The best statistic would be the ad contracts. The money companies are willing to pay has direct relationship with the popularity of the name, looks, language spoken and other factors that makes someone marketable. All these considered, Shumacher does not come anywhere close to Woods.
Azzurri
Legend
that is one way to look at it. Woods is heads above anyone else in yearly endorsement fees. I admit I was off on Shumachers popularity, but no way is he above Woods.
http://www.famouswhy.com/List/Top_10_Famous_Athletes/318.html
http://www.forbes.com/2007/10/25/sp..._kb_1026athletes_slide_2.html?thisSpeed=15000
(this proves Tiger is heads above anyone else)
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akv89
Hall of Fame
Schumacher was the highest paid sportsman (even higher than Woods) while he was still driving, earning about 100 million dollars a year during his peak. Outside of the US, his name is almost universally known.
People who think F1 drivers are not athletic should look into the kind of training and diet regimen that these guys get into. The average human being can't spend 5 laps in an F1 car without severe getting neck cramps because of all the G forces from the car. These guys are also supremely conditioned, able to withstand a loss of 2-3L of water in the form of sweat over the course of a race.
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malakas
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great cousin..he took you to the most important match of the season in the gate of the fanatics.lol But still strange comming from you who live in Britain since you have your more than fair share of hooligans?Anyway,Olympiacos are idiots don't put it on all of us.(i'm pao)
dropshot winner
Hall of Fame
Schumacher might not be very famous in the States, but Tiger Woods isn't that big in europe either.
Maybe 5% of Europeans have actually seen Woods play golf, most of them are golfers themselves.
Schumacher was the 2nd highest paid athlete in 2004, so it's delusional to think that he had no international fame.
He had earned a billion $ a few years before Woods did, in 2005 to be exact. I've no idea why american media says Woods was the first.
Maybe 5% of Europeans have actually seen Woods play golf, most of them are golfers themselves.
Schumacher was the 2nd highest paid athlete in 2004, so it's delusional to think that he had no international fame.
He had earned a billion $ a few years before Woods did, in 2005 to be exact. I've no idea why american media says Woods was the first.
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malakas
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yes.I would like to find statistic but no time to look or where to find? Let's ask every european member here.All will answer the same without ANY hesitation.
and yes Shumi is more famous.usa= not the whole world.
In eastern Europe-that I live and know better of- I doubt the average person knows Woods.Most haven't even heard of him.
But everybody in the world knows of Shumacher.even just by name.
Azzurri
Legend
please show any statistic that had Shumacher earning 100+ million in a year.
Azzurri
Legend
OK, then in China more people know Woods than some race car driver (do they even have F1 in Asia?). Again, you made a claim, please show proof. I showed that Woods is far more popular regarding his money from companies that want him to represent them.
Azzurri
Legend
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_most_popular_sport_in_the_world
I did find a site that noted over 40 billion watch F1 annually on TV. This makes F1 the most popular watched sport. I would need to see some other bit of prrof, but it seems at least the "sport" of F1 is very popular to watch...my apologies Malakas.
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SempreSami
Hall of Fame
At least he doesn't drive his car into fire hydrants. :roll:
malakas
Banned
I believe F1 is very popular in Asia?Anyway,I made a claim and you came here and doubted it.So why don't you show me the statistic that I'm wrong?I don't care what you believe or not afterall.You may not believe it but not even the contention of Shumacher makes this contest a joke to every neutral's persons' eyes.
dropshot winner
Hall of Fame
So you removed me from your ignore list? I bet you missed my amazing posts
.You can check Schumacher's numbers yourself, either on the link below or with google.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Schumacher#Family_and_off-track_life
Azzurri
Legend
you made the claim, so you should be able to provide proof. that is the way it works.
Azzurri
Legend
So you removed me from your ignore list? I bet you missed my amazing posts
You can check Schumacher's numbers yourself, either on the link below or with google.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Schumacher#Family_and_off-track_life
no, you are back on. I meant to respond to Malakas. But you are back on. sorry.
no mention of money or popularity. you are a moron.
dropshot winner
Hall of Fame
No need to be sorry as there's no loss on my end.
LMAO. You can't even read and comprehend a short text like that and you call me a moron?
malakas
Banned
nope.I made a claim and then you doubted.haha that's like a child's game now.
Anyway,I am not going to waste my time searching.Dropshot already gave you a link,if you're really interested you can find info.I don't care about who wins this internet argument.really.
OddJack
G.O.A.T.
Shumacher retired in 2006, this is from 2004:
http://www.forbes.com/2004/06/23/04athletesland_print.html
I am a fan of formula 1 and Shumacher myself and I have to add that looking at money recieved is only one of the indicators of popularity. Had F1 been as popular as golf in US, Michael could have surpassed Tiger in ad money.
We are all being absolutists here I think, Looking back at Shumacher I have to admit he was extremely popular also. But let's not get too far away from the topic.
I personally dont consider any of the two the athlete of the decade.
akv89
Hall of Fame
For the record, I don't believe for certain that Schumacher is more popular than Woods. But I think it's foolish to consider him a joke contender for the title whether you're assessing his merit by his popularity, his achievements, or his athleticism.
malakas
Banned
hey oddjack,point is that even if they don't win it-they're both in the top 5 but to consider Woods but NOT shumacher is unacceptable.
clayman2000
Hall of Fame
Its clearly between:
Tiger Woods -- 14 slams, 81 titles, no 1 all but 1 year
Roger Federer -- 15 slams, 60+ titles, no 1 5 years
Lance Armstrong -- 6 straight Tour de France's (7 if u include 99)
Zidane -- 2 twice Fifa Player of Year, in top 3 5 times.
Kobe Bryant -- 2 time scoring champ and MVP, all star every year, highest PPG avg
Lebron James
Tiger Woods -- 14 slams, 81 titles, no 1 all but 1 year
Roger Federer -- 15 slams, 60+ titles, no 1 5 years
Lance Armstrong -- 6 straight Tour de France's (7 if u include 99)
Zidane -- 2 twice Fifa Player of Year, in top 3 5 times.
Kobe Bryant -- 2 time scoring champ and MVP, all star every year, highest PPG avg
Lebron James
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