pc1
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Well, Data, of course I don't think the test with Flipper was a scientific one. That would involve at least a controlled study that I doubt most players would be up for. But, like you said, it's an interesting idea.
BTW do you have any opinion as to Rusedski's place on this list? I looked at the service stats of dozens of his matches, and they're quite impressive: lots of free points and some decent 1st-serve percentages--markedly better than Arthurs', actually. I still feel comfortable putting Newcombe and Tanner above him, but I'm not too sure about him vs. Curren and Noah.
pc1 and krosero, given your input I see no reason to revise the current ranking. Newcombe over Tanner it is, unless one provides proof to the contrary.
Just read the post. Here's what I've said about Borg's and other world-class serves in general on this thread:
I don't mean to sound dismissive here. I've no doubt many a tennis player would be proud to have the serve of Borg or any other player on that "leftover" list. I just think there are a few elite ones that are even better, and that we're trying to rank and include on the "greatest" list.
And just in case you don't already know, I've given honorable mentions to Tilden, Vines and Kramer because the evidence we have for these three is lacking, not because I consider their serves inferior to those on the numerical list.
No it doesn't sound dismissive at all. The best way to make any list is to be rigorous about it -- and there's no doubt that there have been countless great serves in tennis. Particularly as stand-alone shots.
NonP, I agree with Krosero that you're NOT dismissive. I like the way you take into account the input of the posters.
One thing that's always tough in threads like this is that I find the older players often get shortchanged but there is little mention of them in today's tennis.
I would tend to think for example that if we didn't have statistics in baseball for example, great players like Babe Ruth, Willie Mays and Henry Aaron would be shortchanged. However we do have some videos of them and we have virtually all the statistics for them that proves they were great players.
Anyway great thread.