dozu
Banned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpKMSgLl2iI
Sampras' sky walk smash looks ******** compared to this fella.
Sampras' sky walk smash looks ******** compared to this fella.
just a little eye candy
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Manus Domini
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they'd have to clear all the ping pong tables out first lol
but badminton is actually faster paced then tennis
but badminton is actually faster paced then tennis
dozu
Banned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00EO-cBr6CU&feature=channel
a little bit of the Nadal-Federer thing in the badminton flavor..
Lee has been on top of the world ranking for the last few years, but is 7-14 against the leftie Lin.
a little bit of the Nadal-Federer thing in the badminton flavor..
Lee has been on top of the world ranking for the last few years, but is 7-14 against the leftie Lin.
hitting an overhead in badminton is much different, and imho, easier. The shuttlecock is lighter, and has more air resistance, thus it slows down a lot especially when hit as a lob, giving the overhead hitter a lot more time to set up for his shot. Not to mention that the raquets are much lighter and more manuverable. I took badminton for P.E. one semester in college, so I am by no means any sort of expert, but as a tennis player, I did dominate my P.E. class!
Jaewonnie
Professional
Ya same thing with me. Tried badminton for the first time and dominated. However it is pretty fast paced and requires a lot of stamina, something i lack. Just an hour of playing makes you sore.
Ehh but the shuttlecock slows down.......... Now let's see some badass Sepak Takraw!!!
Jaewonnie
Professional
you dont really run around in air hockey...
Dreamer
Professional
Umm... I suppose it would be based on preference. I don't know anything about badminton, but how does it's viewership compare to tennis?
SystemicAnomaly
Bionic Poster
In the US, viewership is dismal. In China, where nearly 20% of the world population resides, I'd be willing to bet that it is one top spectator draws. In many other countries in SE Asia and Europe it probably rivals futbol/soccer.
But then many of those badminton smashes come off the racket in excess of 180 mph, some even greater than 200 mph. The pace of badminton rallies is much faster than tennis -- the time that the shuttle returns to you after you've made you shot is much shorter than the time a tennis ball gets back to you. It is on par with table tennis in this respect.
Playing badminton really do wonders for your reflexes at the net in tennis doubs. It can also improve your volleys and overhead shots in tennis. I've taught a number of intermediate/advanced badminton players to play tennis. Almost all of them master the serve, OH smash and volleys quite well -- even quicker than they learn how to hit ground strokes.
But then many of those badminton smashes come off the racket in excess of 180 mph, some even greater than 200 mph. The pace of badminton rallies is much faster than tennis -- the time that the shuttle returns to you after you've made you shot is much shorter than the time a tennis ball gets back to you. It is on par with table tennis in this respect.
Playing badminton really do wonders for your reflexes at the net in tennis doubs. It can also improve your volleys and overhead shots in tennis. I've taught a number of intermediate/advanced badminton players to play tennis. Almost all of them master the serve, OH smash and volleys quite well -- even quicker than they learn how to hit ground strokes.
SystemicAnomaly
Bionic Poster
Here is the backhand that I want for my tennis game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEsARpxuYTM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ualwAwHjopU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEsARpxuYTM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ualwAwHjopU
hidude2009
New User
0:33 andy roddick? 
In Europe the viewership is also really really low. I can't even recall the last time I saw it broadcasted on television.
dozu
Banned
I think some similarity can be drawn between Taufik and Nalbandian, both are super talented, both have a lot of gut.
dozu
Banned
Preference maybe... but consider this -
- in a tennis point the crowd always get excited with an overhead smash, and goes oooo-ah when a player does a dropshot.... in baddie, almost every shot is a smash or drop.
- in tennis, crowd goes crazy when Boris dives for a volley... in baddie, a dive save is a 'standard move' to defend against a smash to the sidelines.
- in tennis, we admire Agassi's ability to put the opponent on a 'yo-yo'.... but it's only a side to side 'yo-yo'.... in baddie the top guys can put the opp on a yo-yo that has 4 corners.
- in tennis, you can put 2 good singles player to form a doubles team and get good results.... in baddie that will never work, baddie doubles are actually very watchable because the coordination between the partners are a much bigger factor.
- as much as I love tennis, watching it does put me to a coma sometimes, unless Roger is on the court.... because the rhythm is usually monotonous... just watch some youtube clips of baddie you can feel the dramatic rhythm change from shot to shot.... it's like the great speech makers can always alter their delivery speed from sentence to sentence, in order to always capture the audience.
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dozu
Banned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFMH-NMb4PM&feature=related
4:50 !!
Player broke a string, gets replacement while partner keeps the point alive, end up winning the rally.
4:50 !!
Player broke a string, gets replacement while partner keeps the point alive, end up winning the rally.
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
Interestingly enough, China has begun a huge push into tennis training over the last 5 years. Selecting large pools of kids at young ages, rigorous training, huge training centers with all court surfaces....the same focus they have given to other sports such as gymnastics for decades.
Many tennis insiders, including John Fritzgerald of Australia and many at IMG, think that in 15 years they will be well represented in the top 100.
tennisnoob3
Professional
doesnt seem too hard with their population. although it seems their soccer program is a failure.
do they just take children and force them to learn a sport?
tbh, i couldn't see them being top pros due to small body frame and height. dont the asian juniors dominate international competitions until the age of 14-16? i remember reading a post here where the koreans swept some ITF tournament at most of the age divisions under 16.
dozu
Banned
in a government run sports system, there is indeed a lot of 'forcing' going on.... not so much by the authorities, but many families see sports as a way of getting out of poverty... so there is always a big enough pool of kids willing to go this route.
body frame is not the biggest issue.... there are always big and strong kids... look at Yao Ming, or Liu Xiang the hurdler..
training/coaching is the key... the women are easier because they can always hit with the men.... but the men has nobody to lift their games, unless they go to Europe or USA academies.
body frame is not the biggest issue.... there are always big and strong kids... look at Yao Ming, or Liu Xiang the hurdler..
training/coaching is the key... the women are easier because they can always hit with the men.... but the men has nobody to lift their games, unless they go to Europe or USA academies.
SystemicAnomaly
Bionic Poster
What part of Europe are you referring to? I'd think that in Great Britain, Demmark and some other areas of Europe, it would be very popular. But perhaps due to the Chinese dominance in the past 2 decades or so, the popularity may have dropped off considerably.
Badminton was very popular in the US from the 1920s or '30s thru to the 1960s. With the dawn of Open era tennis and big money and TV coverage going into other sports (baseball, football, basketball, tennis), the best US athletes shunned badminton in favor of other more lucrative sports.
SystemicAnomaly
Bionic Poster
Nalby's backhand is also another similarity of sorts. David's got one of the best 2-handed BH in the game. Taufik's BH is unparalleled in badminton.
I would probably liken Taufik to Marat Safin. Marat also possesed one of the finest BHs. However, the thing that they have most in common is their willingness to party at the expense of dominance in their respective sports. Marat should have been at the #1 slot and in the top 5 longer than he was -- if not for his social life & his lack of focus on tennis. In badminton, Taufik was arguably more talented than either Lin Dan or Peter Gade but he was too fond of brawling (street fights) and partying to stay at the top where he should have been.
Photoshop
Professional
^^I agree. I've played badminton only a handful of times in my life but it's a lot more exciting to watch than tennis. But that's probably because there are no free points while in tennis a majority of points ends within few strokes (since service is such a big factor in tennis). Tennis would be just as good of a spectator sport if serve was eliminated (or just one serve so players would have to spin them in = no free points) and played like a game of 11. Does anyone else enjoying playing "11" without the serve? Almost every point is a dog fight because both players are at neutral when the point starts.
Also, yes... tennis is extremely monotonous and too much time is wasted between points. 30 seconds between every point (not to mention players requesting towel after every freaking point) combined with 50-60% 1st serve, make the sport extremely sleep inducing.
Dreamer
Professional
Dozu,
Your comparisons weren't really thought through. You say baddie is all 4 corners, but it's also smaller...
This also affects the effect of a drop shot and overhead because the court coverage is different.
And also the object also acts differently and the net is higher so there's more trajectory to work with. Honestly Drop shot and over head are easier to do. You can't exactly see them hit a ground stroke.
it's one thing to appreciate another sport, but you shouldn't attempt to take away from Sampras overhead, it WAS something special. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VUBtEbuOuY#t=2m12s
You say people go crazy over Boris dives? A dive in context of a 5 set match is actually different. and both are probably valued because they are more rare and there's nothing wrong with that.
Just say baddie is great and leave it at that. People love to watch baddie and that's great. People will want to watch tennis and that's okay too. Your need to compare is silly. There's really no point to prove or if there was maybe you can hit it in the head on the next post.
Your comparisons weren't really thought through. You say baddie is all 4 corners, but it's also smaller...
This also affects the effect of a drop shot and overhead because the court coverage is different.
And also the object also acts differently and the net is higher so there's more trajectory to work with. Honestly Drop shot and over head are easier to do. You can't exactly see them hit a ground stroke.
it's one thing to appreciate another sport, but you shouldn't attempt to take away from Sampras overhead, it WAS something special. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VUBtEbuOuY#t=2m12s
You say people go crazy over Boris dives? A dive in context of a 5 set match is actually different. and both are probably valued because they are more rare and there's nothing wrong with that.
Just say baddie is great and leave it at that. People love to watch baddie and that's great. People will want to watch tennis and that's okay too. Your need to compare is silly. There's really no point to prove or if there was maybe you can hit it in the head on the next post.
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hi Guys,
you are talking about Badminton without me? a 10 year badminton player from China?
just kidding. but indeed, I used to love badminton and just switched all my passion to tennis less than 2 years ago. the reason is simple, not because tennis is more fun, but because I feel I can't improve my badminton game as much as I would with tennis. by tennis scale, I am around 4.5 in badminton. but if I want to be 5.0, it's gonna take some huge efforts. I could use the same efforts to be a 3.5 tennis player from scratch. and tennis is equally fun. that's the reason.
you are talking about Badminton without me? a 10 year badminton player from China?
just kidding. but indeed, I used to love badminton and just switched all my passion to tennis less than 2 years ago. the reason is simple, not because tennis is more fun, but because I feel I can't improve my badminton game as much as I would with tennis. by tennis scale, I am around 4.5 in badminton. but if I want to be 5.0, it's gonna take some huge efforts. I could use the same efforts to be a 3.5 tennis player from scratch. and tennis is equally fun. that's the reason.
thanks Dozu for making more people know about Lin dan. he is really quite a character in the badminton world. I am not talking about his astonishing records, but his characteristics. not like many of previous Chinese champions, who are more typical chinese, modest and introvert, Lin is full of passion and not afraid to express himself openly.
also I am surprised how much you know about China in terms of sports system and etc. where are you from btw?
also I am surprised how much you know about China in terms of sports system and etc. where are you from btw?
dozu
Banned
yes - a smaller court, but you have to get to the drop without bounce. and i think several people who have played the game all agree that it requires more cardio than tennis.
yes - a dive in a 5-setter is different... my point was baddie is more acrobatic by nature.
yes - never meant it's not ok to watch tennis.
the thread was meant to be an eye opener.
dozu
Banned
then you are a much better baddie player than i am
I said it's the best 'spectator racket sport'.... when it comes to playing, tennis IS a lot of fun.... probably due to the court being bigger, and you feel more impact on the hands, which wakes up the animal instinct in all of us.
on your other question - let me just say I played ping pong from age 8-20, like all my friends did
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on your other question - let me just say I played ping pong from age 8-20, like all my friends did
I only played ping pong from 7 to 10. so did many of my classmates and friends.
anyway, I totally agree that baddie is much more intense than many other sports including tennis. you gotta be really fit to play it for a real competition. but the beauty of tennis and one major difference vs baddie, at least for me is that, you need to learn tennis before you can play it. for baddie, anybody can just grab a racquet and play to some extend. so in this sense, tennis is more difficult. therefore, I feel it's cooler to be able to play tennis
thumbs up for baddie
thumbs up for Super Dan.
Badminton has more pace, action, trickery which translate to more fun watching. It is sad that it is snuffed out cause it is consider an asian sport. The only thing in tennis that has this is federer with bad a__ stuff like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igzdTLe9pr4 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88KjwvbS_es&feature=related
thumbs up for Super Dan.
Badminton has more pace, action, trickery which translate to more fun watching. It is sad that it is snuffed out cause it is consider an asian sport. The only thing in tennis that has this is federer with bad a__ stuff like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igzdTLe9pr4 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88KjwvbS_es&feature=related
I live in the Netherlands, so I'm pretty much talking about those only. I should've been a bit more clear on that.
However, there are quite a few top level Dutch badminton players. Palyama, Mia Audina, Yao Jie. I remember seeing on the news how Audina became European Champion, and Yao Jie got third. The entire item was about 2 minutes, showing maybe 2 or three points of the match.
Tennis seems a lot more popular, even though we only have two players in the top100 and just one in the top50. Might be a left-over from the Krajicek Schalken Verkerk Siemerink Eltingh Haarhuis generations.
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sennoc
Guest
Not enough spin, I'm afraid.
the net play in tennis is just much rarer and shorter than in baddie, and with the distance is much bigger, fake movement in tennis is just not as effective. thanks for the vids though, it's really the first time for me to see such thing in tennis, which is so common in baddie.
yellowoctopus
Professional
Not sure why you think that since there are agressive basketball players pounding the cement court in California and all over for decades.
Similar things are also often said about this guy; he is still going strong and doing quite well.
SystemicAnomaly
Bionic Poster
^ Yup, nothing wrong with his knees. The tape below his knee caps is purely decorative, not functional at all. He sat out for part of a season cuz he was bored and wanted to give Roger a chance to bounce back.
There is a fair amount of deception in tennis, but not a lot of outright fakes in singles play. Tennis doubs is another matter. Fakes are not uncommon, altho' still not to the degree seen in badassminton.
One of the most prolific practitioners of fakes/deceptions in pro tennis was a WTA play, Patricia Tarabini (from Argentina). She was a top 30 player for a while, but she really shined in doubs (#12 for a while). I would see her make other players look downright foolish with her deceptions.
I recall her hitting overhead drop shots and getting away with it quite a few times. This is something that is common in baddy but not so much in high level tennis. She was quite the trick shot artist as well -- very entertaining to watch her in action. Never did get a chance to ask her if she was a badminton player. However, I suspect that she did play some futbol/soccer.
If anyone sees her down in San Diego, ask her about it.
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There is a fair amount of deception in tennis, but not a lot of outright fakes in singles play. Tennis doubs is another matter. Fakes are not uncommon, altho' still not to the degree seen in badassminton.
One of the most prolific practitioners of fakes/deceptions in pro tennis was a WTA play, Patricia Tarabini (from Argentina). She was a top 30 player for a while, but she really shined in doubs (#12 for a while). I would see her make other players look downright foolish with her deceptions.
I recall her hitting overhead drop shots and getting away with it quite a few times. This is something that is common in baddy but not so much in high level tennis. She was quite the trick shot artist as well -- very entertaining to watch her in action. Never did get a chance to ask her if she was a badminton player. However, I suspect that she did play some futbol/soccer.
If anyone sees her down in San Diego, ask her about it.
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yellowoctopus
Professional
He is still doing well right? Three grandslams in a year is not shabby for a guy that was suppose to have retired with bad knees a couple of years ago.
Perhaps another example might help?
Yet another guy pounding the concrete for a long, long time, and a pretty long and successful career. There are others.
SystemicAnomaly
Bionic Poster
He is still doing well right? Three grandslams in a year is not shabby for a guy that was suppose to have retired with bad knees a couple of years ago.
Perhaps another example might help?
Yet another guy pounding the concrete for a long, long time, and a pretty long and successful career. There are others.
Your thinking is short term. Fast forward 20+ years and consider the condition of knees of Chang, Nadal & others. The abuse to the knees in your youth have a nasty habit of coming back to haunt you later in life. Arthritis is a b****.
yellowoctopus
Professional
Because these guys persisted, despite people claiming that they will have short careers?
Basketball guys jump ever higher, many on cement courts. Many played until they are old.
True, and I agree. One of the reasons pro tennis no longer play on the traditional cement court is because it's a money-making industry and the season is unusually long comparing to other sports. Let's not forget that tennis was not originally played on cement.
In all, I think that it is somewhat shameful that we sometimes make assumptions about people's abilities while sitting in our pajamas in front of the computer, claiming to be (or used to be) that good in tennis. Then reality hits...one day, perhaps.
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yellowoctopus
Professional
I agree that long-term use contributes to irreversible damages to the joints, which could lead to Arthritis. Heck, walking can contribute to Arthritis.
There's more to the limit of the human body that we like to think. Genetic makeup, training, preventive behaviors, and other factors play a significant role in term of how far the body can go. I think it is short-sighted to simply assume that Mr. Chang or Mr. Nadal will end up with Arthritis because they performed admirably in covering grounds on the court. Just because you have experienced it doesn't necessarily translate to everyone else.
Are we all going to experience Arthritis from typing on the computer keyboards just because a few do? I think not.
