Mikeler's Multis

mikeler

Moderator
Some nice testing ahead of you ;-) Have fun and remember to get some TGV and XR3 when you'll have a chance.

I will test those out since I love Technifibre strings so far.


I know you mentioned before you weren't all that impressed with Isospeed Control. I consider myself quite a string breaker and I cut the Energetic out to try the Head Rip. Im just wondering what kind of evaluation you would give of the Energetic, especially in terms of durability. The softness is in line with the other multi's I tried. Those are NXT, AG2000 and PSGM. I realize not nearly as comprehensive as your playtesting, but i can barely get out twice a week to play. Three times has not happened in years. But I have played two doubles matches with the Rip/Msc string job and I really like those. Just a thought if you were on the fence about Isospeed.

With the durability problems I'm having lately, I may have to give Isospeed one more shot. How different is it from Isospeed Control?
 

RonSon

New User
I never tried the Control, but based on your review of the Control and mine on the Energetic they're probably similar. It seems like in your earlier post you cut it out to go with the RIP. I did the same thing with the Energetic because I was completely satisfied with it and really wanted to try the RIP. If the RIP/Mantis lasts as long or longer than the Energetic would have, I think i'll stick with it. Ihave more control with the RIP/Mantis and I serve better, especially kick serves. My big thing is durability. Im looking for a string that gives me consistency and lasts. It also needs to be elbow friendly. The Energetic and the RIP/Mantis do that and the Energetic is durable. With multi's, durability coupled with lasting string performance is important to me and it seems you pop strings just like me. When I order another set or two of Energetic I may try the Control just to see what happens. For now its the RIP/Mantis in one and PSGD/Mantis in the other. The latter could last forever it wouldn't matter, just not soft enough for a 45 year old elbow.
 

JT_2eighty

Hall of Fame
I've heard Iso Pro classic is better than the non-classic version.

I'm also curious about their Axon multi... sounds interesting.
 
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mikeler

Moderator
I never tried the Control, but based on your review of the Control and mine on the Energetic they're probably similar. It seems like in your earlier post you cut it out to go with the RIP. I did the same thing with the Energetic because I was completely satisfied with it and really wanted to try the RIP. If the RIP/Mantis lasts as long or longer than the Energetic would have, I think i'll stick with it. Ihave more control with the RIP/Mantis and I serve better, especially kick serves. My big thing is durability. Im looking for a string that gives me consistency and lasts. It also needs to be elbow friendly. The Energetic and the RIP/Mantis do that and the Energetic is durable. With multi's, durability coupled with lasting string performance is important to me and it seems you pop strings just like me. When I order another set or two of Energetic I may try the Control just to see what happens. For now its the RIP/Mantis in one and PSGD/Mantis in the other. The latter could last forever it wouldn't matter, just not soft enough for a 45 year old elbow.

What is it that you like about the Energetic so much besides durability? Softness, spin, control?


I've heard Iso Pro classic is better than the non-classic version.

I'm also curious about their Axon multi... sounds interesting.

The Axon is supposed to be stiffer right?
 

mikeler

Moderator
Anybody try Dunlop Silk yet? I just ordered a set of Genesis Xplosion. I ordered it from a place in Miami, so I'm hoping it will show up at my door tomorrow so I can string it up Saturday. Not likely with USPS but every now and then they surprise me.
 

mikeler

Moderator
Kirschbaum: Touch Multifiber $14
Pacific: PMX Synthetic Multi $14
Klip: Venom $14, Excellerator $13
Weisscannon: 6Star $12, SuperCable Pro $10


I'll add Solinco Vanquish plus Golden Set Maximal and Golden Set Velvet. Boy this thread is never going to end!
 

RonSon

New User
What is it that you like about the Energetic so much besides durability? Softness, spin, control?

I found that once I hit with the Energetic for 20 or 30 minutes the strings just kind of settled in and felt soft like alphagut 2000 and gave me the control from the baseline and on the volleys. The alphagut only lasted 3.5 hours so i was waiting for the Energetic to just break since they were so soft and they never did. They also didn't lose their tension. With the way i swing spin has never been a problem with any string. The mains began to notch after about 5 or 6 hours of hitting but they never broke. When we took them out to put the Head RIP my buddy said they would have lasted even longer. That was after a solid 15 hours if not more. The RIP or RIP/Mantis definitely grips the ball better but i'm wondering how long it will last.
 

mikeler

Moderator
What is it that you like about the Energetic so much besides durability? Softness, spin, control?

I found that once I hit with the Energetic for 20 or 30 minutes the strings just kind of settled in and felt soft like alphagut 2000 and gave me the control from the baseline and on the volleys. The alphagut only lasted 3.5 hours so i was waiting for the Energetic to just break since they were so soft and they never did. They also didn't lose their tension. With the way i swing spin has never been a problem with any string. The mains began to notch after about 5 or 6 hours of hitting but they never broke. When we took them out to put the Head RIP my buddy said they would have lasted even longer. That was after a solid 15 hours if not more. The RIP or RIP/Mantis definitely grips the ball better but i'm wondering how long it will last.


I'm guessing RIP will last awhile if you get the 16g. Just handling the string you can tell it is really durable.
 

JT_2eighty

Hall of Fame
I'll add Solinco Vanquish plus Golden Set Maximal and Golden Set Velvet. Boy this thread is never going to end!

Oh yea, and don't forget Volkl:
Gripper: $14, Power Fibre II: $13...

and by the time you get through all your multis, who knows how many new ones will be on the market! :twisted:
 

JT_2eighty

Hall of Fame
The Axon is supposed to be stiffer right?

Sounds like it:
"ISOSPEED Axon Multi combines elastic Power Ribbons with a monofilament core to unite power and ultimate playing comfort. As the string is pre-stretched it provides solid tension maintenance while still offering a comfortable feel. Our TW testers have found excellent ball pocketing with great access to spin with exceptional feel when using this string."

Gauge: 16L / 1.25 mm
Construction: Polyester core with polypropylene filaments
^^ looks to be another poly/nylon hybrid like duramix
 
I'll add Solinco Vanquish plus Golden Set Maximal and Golden Set Velvet. Boy this thread is never going to end!

The thread might never end but will slow down as there will be fewer and fewer strings to test since there aren't that many newly released multis like they do with polys. Those poly threads might never end.:)

I think I am pretty much done testing the high end multis since I can't get a hold of SNGPS. That is the only string that still intrigues me.
 

mikeler

Moderator
Oh yea, and don't forget Volkl:
Gripper: $14, Power Fibre II: $13...

and by the time you get through all your multis, who knows how many new ones will be on the market! :twisted:

You are killing me! Eventually I want to settle into just one but my initial discoveries have been good. It's definitely worth trying out a lot of strings to find the perfect ones for my game.


Sounds like it:
"ISOSPEED Axon Multi combines elastic Power Ribbons with a monofilament core to unite power and ultimate playing comfort. As the string is pre-stretched it provides solid tension maintenance while still offering a comfortable feel. Our TW testers have found excellent ball pocketing with great access to spin with exceptional feel when using this string."

Gauge: 16L / 1.25 mm
Construction: Polyester core with polypropylene filaments
^^ looks to be another poly/nylon hybrid like duramix

I think I'll wait for some more reviews on this one before trying it.


I tried Dunlop Silk on a Dunlop racquet and didn't like it how stiff the strings felt.

I have not heard good things about this string from several people now. I'll save my $15. They were selling it at my local tennis shop but now it is gone and I have not seen it for a few months. They still sell the Dunlop Hexy Fiber though.

The thread might never end but will slow down as there will be fewer and fewer strings to test since there aren't that many newly released multis like they do with polys. Those poly threads might never end.:)

I think I am pretty much done testing the high end multis since I can't get a hold of SNGPS. That is the only string that still intrigues me.

It's pretty interesting all these string companies popping up that only sell poly and nothing else. I suspect as all these younger people get older and the tendons get more brittle, polys may lose a little luster.

It must have lasted over 30 hours for me at one point in the past...

Wow!
 

Jeepers

Professional
If you are trying them im looking forward to reviews of 6starstring and Volkl gripper, keep up the good work!
 

mikeler

Moderator
If you are trying them im looking forward to reviews of 6starstring and Volkl gripper, keep up the good work!


At this point, I might as well try most of them out. I may back off trying the Golden Set. The guy using them basically puts them in his racket because they are cheap.
 

danno123

Rookie
At this point, I might as well try most of them out. I may back off trying the Golden Set. The guy using them basically puts them in his racket because they are cheap.

Too bad. I thought the "Maximal" and "Velvet" looked interesting and was looking forward to the review.
 

Jeepers

Professional
Have you considered trying any super soft poly hybrids? :p
Im in a similar position where my elbow really dislikes poly, but i love them, so although ive been liking the multis ive been using lately, i can hear the polys calling my name lol.
I was thinking of trying polystar energy and MSV evo hex (and possibly hexablade which i loved) in a hybrid with either maxmin touch or mantis cs. i dont have too much hope for the last two but polystar energy might just be soft enough
 

mikeler

Moderator
Too bad. I thought the "Maximal" and "Velvet" looked interesting and was looking forward to the review.


Allright, then maybe I'll try them. I get my 9 birthday strings tomorrow so those other ones will have to wait until I try those first. At the rate I'm breaking strings it may not be that long. :-?
 

pepka

Professional
Have you considered trying any super soft poly hybrids? :p
Im in a similar position where my elbow really dislikes poly, but i love them, so although ive been liking the multis ive been using lately, i can hear the polys calling my name lol.
I was thinking of trying polystar energy and MSV evo hex (and possibly hexablade which i loved) in a hybrid with either maxmin touch or mantis cs. i dont have too much hope for the last two but polystar energy might just be soft enough

Polystar Energy IS soft enough... trust me ;-) I will test it with MCS some time soon i hope. There are days, i wish i was breaking strings sooner;)
 

mikeler

Moderator
Polystar Energy IS soft enough... trust me ;-) I will test it with MCS some time soon i hope. There are days, i wish i was breaking strings sooner;)


A kid down at my club loves Polystar Energy. I bounced a few balls off his racket and it did feel very soft. If he told me the string was a multi I would have believed him. He thinks the coating they put on it is what makes it so comfortable.
 

maggmaster

Hall of Fame
I have sort of touchy elbows but just bought a reel of polystar energy based on reviews. Hit every day this week for 2 hours, no pain yet. I have a tournament this weekend with the possibility of 4 matches so I will let you know.
 

mikeler

Moderator
I get 30 hours on RIP Control 17. It always seems to play the best just before it breaks, kinda like gut.

You break other multis fairly quick like I do right?


I have sort of touchy elbows but just bought a reel of polystar energy based on reviews. Hit every day this week for 2 hours, no pain yet. I have a tournament this weekend with the possibility of 4 matches so I will let you know.

Cool, let us know. I miss poly...
 

RonSon

New User
Which string did you put in the mains? RIP in the mains will definitely last longer.

RIP mains, Mantis comfort synthetic crosses. Only played with it twice and i really like it, but only if it lasts. Im playing again tomorrow. If it lasts upwards of twenty hours and feels the same throughout I dont think I could go back to the Isospeed Energetic, unless my elbow starts hurting again.
 

mikeler

Moderator
RIP mains, Mantis comfort synthetic crosses. Only played with it twice and i really like it, but only if it lasts. Im playing again tomorrow. If it lasts upwards of twenty hours and feels the same throughout I dont think I could go back to the Isospeed Energetic, unless my elbow starts hurting again.


I'm thinking you won't get that long but of course I don't know your game. I'd be surprised if you break the RIP first even with it in the mains.
 

RonSon

New User
I'm thinking you won't get that long but of course I don't know your game. I'd be surprised if you break the RIP first even with it in the mains.

Would your opinion change if i told you i have been playing for over 30 years and i have never broke a cross string? I always break the mains in the upper right or upper left depending on how you look at the racket. My game is a heavy topspin both sides mixed with bh slices especially on serve returns. I play mostly doubles so i like those precise solid volleys with good placement. I found the POG works best for this type of game.
 

mikeler

Moderator
Would your opinion change if i told you i have been playing for over 30 years and i have never broke a cross string? I always break the mains in the upper right or upper left depending on how you look at the racket. My game is a heavy topspin both sides mixed with bh slices especially on serve returns. I play mostly doubles so i like those precise solid volleys with good placement. I found the POG works best for this type of game.


I'm predicting your first cross breakage! Only time will tell though.
 

RonSon

New User
If i break the Mantis crosses, i may consider the Energetic in the crosses with the RIP mains. That's a durability/softness combination.
 

JT_2eighty

Hall of Fame
If i break the Mantis crosses, i may consider the Energetic in the crosses with the RIP mains. That's a durability/softness combination.

That sounds like a great setup. I am hooked on the 'polyolefin' string as cross string, although I have yet to use Isospeed's polyolefins, I do and have used Head's various polyolefin strings to much success. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on the Rip C/Energetic hybrid.
 

mikeler

Moderator
That sounds like a great setup. I am hooked on the 'polyolefin' string as cross string, although I have yet to use Isospeed's polyolefins, I do and have used Head's various polyolefin strings to much success. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on the Rip C/Energetic hybrid.

Polyolefin on the cross is pretty nice.


1st match tonite on the polystar(lost) consolation bracket tomorrow. String was great, no pain, lots of spin.

It can't have been that good, you lost! Just kidding. Good luck in your next match and keep us posted. Tension loss on that string is supposed to be huge.
 

maggmaster

Hall of Fame
Due to no fault of the string. I rarely get to play against left handed players and I have never played against a left handed 4.0, it was difficult to adjust. I strung up 3 rackets so I suppose I will switch to a fresh one today and rotate them to see if I can avoid the tension loss.
 

Jeepers

Professional
I just had one of my rackets strung up with Energy, it looks nice! lol, although i do really like blue strings in the APDGT's though for some reason. i should play tomorrow so ill report back then
 

RonSon

New User
Here's the update. The RIP mains broke this morning after about an hour of steady practice hitting. That would put these at about the 7-9 hour mark. The racket was originally strung by me with a full bed of rip and I cut out the crosses and put the mantis. I really like this setup but I am amazed I broke this string so quick. I am now considering Energetic mains/mantis crosses. The problem with this is I really like the RIP/Mantis combo. I played some real good tennis the two or three times I used it. Or I could stick with it and finally buy a stringer. BTW, the RIP broke where the others always do.
 

mikeler

Moderator
Just strung up the Genesis Xplosion 16. It had the gluey smell. No ghosting from the clamps. It was a very stretchy string along the lines of Maxim Touch. Pretty easy string to work with. It had some coil memory but the initial birds nest I made was easy to untangle. Gave it the old bounce test and it felt very muted and tight. Hopefully it has enough pop for me.

I plan on trying to break the last racket with the Mantis in it and then try the Genesis after that.
 

mikeler

Moderator
Long story short, I did not get my big string present tonight. Most likely that will happen next weekend. So in the meantime, I need one more string to fill the gap. At the local tennis store today, they had Gamma TNT2, Asterik and Professional. The Professional is $20 so that is out. They also had the Dunlop Silk back in stock. The Silk has an open package and it felt soft, weird that it plays so stiff. I guess one more option would be Wilson Sensation but I've never heard much of anything about this string.

I felt some of the strings on their reels today. X-1 Biphase has an alternating smooth rough texture every centimeter or so. Looks interesting. NRG was more smooth. Babolat Addiction had a mild roughness to it as did the Prince Premiere LT. Can't wait to try all these strings out! The folks at the local tennis shop now know me as the string junkie.
 
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RonSon

New User
Long story short, I did not get my big string present tonight. Most likely that will happen next weekend. So in the meantime, I need one more string to fill the gap. At the local tennis store today, they had Gamma TNT2, Asterik and Professional. The Professional is $20 so that is out. They also had the Dunlop Silk back in stock. The Silk has an open package and it felt soft, weird that it plays so stiff. I guess one more option would be Wilson Sensation but I've never heard much of anything about this string.

I felt some of the strings on their reels today. X-1 Biphase has an alternating smooth rough texture every centimeter or so. Looks interesting. NRG was more smooth. Babolat Addiction had a mild roughness to it as did the Prince Premiere LT. Can't wait to try all these strings out! The folks at the local tennis shop now know me as the string junkie.

A buddy of mine uses the sensation and he loves it. He watched me break strings and says i really need to try it.
 

-Bobo-

Semi-Pro
I thought sensation was okay when i demoed it, too much power and not so great in the spin department, though it was my first time using it and i had just changed frames so it's not fair to make an assessment off of that one use. Mantis was better for me in everything with the exception of spin.

Out of the multis i've tried the order would be something like:

- Mantis CS (great but could use more spin)
- Prince premier lt (really liked this but i found it really stiff despite using a very soft frame, very good performance though)
- Mantis PS (nice but a bit too much pop, didn't try other tension as i only bought the one set)
- Sensation (not bad, moves alot and kind of erratic response)

I also tried NXT but don't recall how it played at all.
 

mikeler

Moderator
Thanks everyone for your thoughts on Sensation. I warmed up today with the Genesis Xplosion. I was getting terrific depth on my shots. It was good at net but not great. Once I started serving with it, I realized my shoulder was just locked up. It was chilly this morning so I decided to delay the test and pick up the Mantis Comfort. I never could get comfortable on serve, so I just stuck with the Mantis for both sets.
 
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