What is my level?

I'm laughing as I type this knowing that it might be all over the scale. Oh well, here it is. I'm going to post some 1 minute clips I took of myself today. I'm going to use your rating as my self rating when I look to join a team this summer. To be cautious and be the most successful I can be this summer, I will use the lowest rating as my self-rate.:twisted:

My background:
I am 39 and haven't played a tournament since the early 1990s and that was college intramurals. Back then, I could take sets off of the weakest players on the team at my D1 school. I played in high school and was okay and earned a seed at sectionals. The best part of my game these days was the worst part back then; my head. My strokes aren't as good as they were then; at least, not in my put-a-way shots. I'm not nearly as good going for winners these days as I was back then. Also, my serve is no where near what it was back then mainly due to my toss which is improving. I was having trouble with tossing the ball to a consistant area and now I am rapidly improving. My volleys are coming around and my overhead is consistant.

I'm NOT perfect and don't claim to be!
I just want this disclaimer out there first!

The videos:
These are all nearly 1 minute in length and are of me hitting against my Silent Partner Star ball machine. I've only used it a 1/2 dozen times and today it wore me out by setting it on SWEEP w/ a BALL FEED at 6, TOP SPIN at +1, and BALL SPEED at 3. I only give these settings for people who want an idea about the machine. It was FUN today. I couldn't get to some of the balls and let the machine have a few winners.

Video 1 taken from behind me and no sweep. It is 30 sec of forehand and 30 sec of backhand. It is a warm-up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eoHRBss640

Video 2 taken from behind and I have the sweep feature on. You'll have trouble seeing wide backhands. Get over it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D7-CHEQHm8

Video 3 taken from behind the ball machine. I accidentally hit the camera and you'll have trouble seeing the wide forehands. Oops!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI0CwxsEYy8

Video 4 taken from the view of someone returning my serves. I'm just warming up. I'm also using Gamma Pressureless balls. OUCH! They are heavy and really don't have much bounce or action to them. The camera is set-up at over 5 feet off of the ground for all of the videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x82yHA1qLnU

Video 5 is of me serving from the side view. LeeD, I'm too darn old to bend my knees and really jump into the ball! Besides, I'm really mostly concerned with getting my toss in the right place now. I'm not going to hit it at 120. I don't care! I'd rather just place my 90mph (I don't really know the pace but I do know that many very, very good players have had trouble returning my serves) at a corner! I also slowed one of them down to 1/8 the actual speed and saw that I DON'T foot fault! It is close but I really am airborne. You should see me play basketball!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jKlAvTFWQk

Okay! I asked for it so bring it! Lastly, I don't know what it means to feel the earth unless I fall down and scrape my knees or if I'm walking barefoot. Please don't give me any links to golf videos. I've mostly quit golf to play tennis so I can be around my family more. I was once a very, very good golfer w/ a 2 handicap. I got that way by not over analyzing my swing and focusing on results!

Rate me (not that Nirvana song)!

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From 3-21-2011 or page 3!

I've got new videos taken today after work. Let me get in my disclaimers first.

1) I couldn't set the machine at its absolute fastest as it wouldn't stay in the court. I did adjust it but it was like having complete ridiculous rockets skidding at me w/ no bounce.

2) I got up at 4:15am and did my P90X Yoga X workout this morning, went to work, then completed the Chest & Back workout and Ab Ripper X directly after work. From there, I drove home got my gear and went directly to the courts. I was tired when I arrived at close to 6pm!

3) I placed cones on the court but the balls were coming at me really hard and I had to play more defensive with much more of a just get it back in play objective. I did swing hard but I had to take what I was given. I would've had to change the pace greatly to change the angles. Again, I was already tired.

Please tell me what you think w/ emphasis on the backhands.

Video 1:
I'm hitting w/ my Dunlop Court Star wooden junker I got at a thrift store for $2. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWZ-xA0rcl8

Video 2:
I'm hitting w/ my Wilson T-2000. My goodness that thing is heavy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfWgLS9FRJE

Video 3:
I hit some volleys. I'm tired so I know my footwork is bad. It is also weird hitting volleys and shots in general against a machine because you can't read its body actions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-ih0ETx4TQ

Bring IT! (My last P90X reference. BTW, this crap works. I've been a runner and this stuff has increased my muscle mass and endurance greatly! I never thought I'd ever jump around in front of a TV but It really works.)

Your forehand is fundamentally sound, but your backhand is more of a scoop, and your slice was lobbed.

Also, use tennis balls, not those soft slow red-yellow or green-yellow balls. They're for practice and you did a good job with them, but use real tennis balls next time. ^_^

Dak, To me it seems your strokes are OK but its hard to really tell with someone hitting against a ball machine. How are you when playing against a decent opponent?

If you want to get back into competitive play I would suggest getting a really good, younger coach who is certified and is still playing occasional tournaments himself. It's hard to find a good coach, but if on the first lesson he starts talking about your footwork instead of your strokes you probably found a good one. Good tennis starts with good footwork, and that is more true today than it ever was. And when you are in your 40's playing against solid 18 year olds (think about Ryan Harrison), they have no mercy and will move you all over the court if they can. Once you get your footwork up to speed I am sure your strokes will have improved dramatically as well.

To really learn your rating, I would set up a few matches with 4.0's, then 4.5's and maybe even solid 5.0's to see how you are under match conditions.

Your biggest problem is footwork. I'd play some squash as well. It can really improve your movement.

Your strokes are at that level where it would be impossible to rate just from practice hitting. There's those people with really bad form and horrible footwork that you just know all the tennis smarts, experience and point construction in the world wouldn't put them above 3.5.

I want to say you'd be a high end 4.0 but like others stated your backhand really looks like a liability. Looks like the kind of shot a decent player could pick on and see quite a few short balls and errors from. Then there's also the issue of how you would handle match balls. For all we know, you give up errors on no pace balls or moving up to short balls which would mean you might get beat by 3.5 players regularly.

So you've got 4.0 strokes but without a video of live match play, there's no telling what level you might play at. Could be a low end 4.5 or as low as 3.5. You can probably leave 3.0 and below and 5.0 and above out of your range.

It was hard for me to tell just where you were aiming your backhands in the first video. You seemed more comfortable with placing your forehands. Movement may not match some of the younger league players. No video of volleying?

Hard to tell exactly where you are b/c of no match play video, so take this with a grain of salt: you'd be comfortable at 4.0.

ur forehand seems decent but backhand not, id hit more through the ball on the bh, ur swing is too compact. U seem strong and athletic and a good technical foundation so i would use this to get more control either by using more racket acceleration to give ur shot more topspin on both sides or if u dont want more spin i would string my racket harder for more control, u seem to be olny using 40% of ur max strength on each shot, why not use 80% to gain both more power and control?

I woudl also put u at 4.0-4.5 due to a good serve, with potential for more.

agree with others on the point that ball machine hits don't tell much.

strokes are sound enough for 4.0 at least.. and better than that 4.5 shirtless guy.. but he is a 4.5, so we'd never know... if you show your hitting against good players, it will tell more.

the 'scrub partner' in my video is a legit 4.5, he's been working on some new strokes so he doesn't look like a 4.5. A recent one I posted 'against pace'.... the hitting partner is an ex-satellite player, you can see some balls kick up to my eye levels when I am 4 yards behind the baseline.

I think your strokes are sound enough to hold up even against heavier balls.... so short of a better partner, if you can set the ball machine with more gusto, like landing around 3 feet of the baseline, with more spin, with sweeping feature, that should give some indication of how you do at 4.5 level.

4.0 balls land at the service line, like the machine setting you had.... 4.5s don't do that...

the vegas 4.5, who played against that shirtless guy, has several other match videos, and you can get a sense what kind of depth he had to deal with at 4.5

and wait for Hunter and tlm to check in, and get ready for a game of whack-a-mole LOLOL

had to watch 2nd time to look for that slice that others were talking about LOL.

so I am gonna have to withhold the 4.5 until I see more proof that the 1 slice you hit was just an accident lol.

and if that is indeed not an accident, that would tell me your volley, at least on the BH side, wouldn't be good enough for 4.5

I think the biggest difference between 4.5s and 4.0s, is that the former usually have quite complete games, with some flaws, but not big enough to tell the opponent to keep poking at it....

with a slice like that, smart 4.5's will send short low skidding slices to your BH, too low for you to dig up with the 2hbh, then if you float your slice back like that, the point will be over.... also the very wide balls to your BH will be a liability, ones wide enough for you not to be able to use the 2hbh.

so, short of giving golf videos and talking about the earth... here is something I just worked with my 'scrub partner' this morning, on his slice... and this morning saw great progress... and the concept could be helpful to you... hopefully.

so you already know how to hit a FH... the racket face, during the forward swing, is basically wiping a windshield, while the windshield is moving forward like on a car going 30mph... and for a topspin FH, the windshield is not completely vertical... because of the low to high swing path and the friction between the strings and the ball.. so the windshield is tiled slightly forward.. i.e. the racket face is slightly hooded.

the BH slice, although looks like a very different shot, actually has the same concept.. the racket face, should be wiping a windshield, while the windshield is moving forward, maybe 20-25 mph (slower car than the topspin FH, because you want the ball to still land in the court, lol), and this windshield is tilted slightly backwards, i.e. the racket face is lightly open.... and the wiping action, should be done with a locked wrist and locked elbow, from the top of the backswing, all the way thru the ball, and way past the impact point.... this is where you get consistency... and don't forget the 20-25 mph moving forward part, that is where you get penetration...... a lot of rec players, hit the shot high to low, which is correct, but they hit it like the windshield is not moving forward, that's why most slices on the public court are popped up LOL.

1 thing a little surprising to me, while I looked at my recent videos, is how much my slice looks like a cut thru the ball, while in my mind when I hit the shot, I'd say 75% of my focus is on the 20-25mph moving forward part, and only 25% of the focus was on the wiping motion to keep a constant racket face angle.

like they say in golf - what it looks like is not what it feels like, and what it feels like is not what it looks like.

Ahhh, kind of an aggressive pattern and frequency, huh? lol. I pulled my lateral rectus watching that. Anyway, you have a real good foundation, and you simply look like a 39 year old getting back into the game. Nice potential. Good luck.

I'd say a 4.0 as well.

It's pretty obvious the forehand is a more solid shot. On the forehand side you have a circular take back which gives good momentum going into the shot. On the backhand side you seem to use a straight take back. This could be what's robbing you of accuracy on that side, lack of momentum going into the shot.

Bertie B said:

I'd say a 4.0 as well.

It's pretty obvious the forehand is a more solid shot. On the forehand side you have a circular take back which gives good momentum going into the shot. On the backhand side you seem to use a straight take back. This could be what's robbing you of accuracy on that side, lack of momentum going into the shot.

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+1, could become 4.5 with a little backhand work and more pace on serve.

i think those balls were just "topspin" balls and not the foam ones...thats insane for a foam ball to go that fast.

These are not foam balls. They are GAMMA Pressureless, hard as a rock, never lose their bounce balls that feel like crap when you hit them because they weigh a ton. I can't afford the MicroX.

I've been invited to play on both 4.0 and 4.5 teams this summer. Based on your recommendations, I'll go with the 4.0 team. If I get better, I'll move up.

Thanks for your insights. Oh yeah. That backhand slice was me giving up and just hitting the ball back toward the machine w/o any footwork. It wasn't a serious shot. I was having trouble getting to some of the balls because of the rapid pace they were coming back at me. I'd hit the ball hard and it wouldn't hit the ground before the next was coming back to me. That is difficult playing. It reminds me of the kid I used to play (he went on to be a D1 player at Arkansas where his younger brothers now play) who used to take every ball as soon as they hit the ground. With a little adjustment, you get used to it. The difference yesterday was I can usually adjust based upon where I hit my shot to where the probability of the return will come but the machine just kept sweeping across to more and more improbable places. It is fun but it could never be realistic.

If I video again later, I'll pump up the top spin and pace and landing area. I'll still be successful and I won't waiver away from the baseline. I'll just get more compact in my swings and take the ball sooner and sooner. I'll take it on the rise, flatten out the shot, and send it back. My ability to do this makes me more dangerous against harder hitting players than it does against softer hitting players. It also allows me to return serves w/ plenty of pace and allows my return game to be solid too. My volleys are getting to be the best part of my game. I played today and hit winning volleys from all over the court from both the forehand and backhand sides. I use a continental grip on all volleys and I simply just use a textbook stab. I think I only missed two volleys today and those were the two softest hit to me and I just got over anxious.

I think it was in Brad Gilbert's book that you should take two steps back and if that doesn't work; take two step forward. I grew up watching McEnroe and have that sort of weird touch where I can drive balls that shouldn't be driven. I have very good touch on balls that hit right next to my feet.

ok will take your word for it lol... and that 1 slice does look a little surprising compared to the rest of your game.

next video if you can show some good slices, some approaches (topspin FH approach and slice BH approach) and some volleys, that should wrap up the package.... I am guessing your FH approaches should be good, considering the amount of spin in your baseline FHs. no need to show overheads.. your serve is a good indication of the overhead.

your footwork aint bad, the step pattern moving to the right on wide balls look really good... moving to the left part wasn't shown in the video, but I am guessing it should be good also.

4.0 should be a good start... your game is better than 4.0, but will take a while to get match tough (something I will have to do if I join tournaments), and you will prolly get bumped to 4.5 soon enough anyway.

I don't know if I'll get all of that in my next video. The speed was set at 3 and you guys want me to crank it up to 10 w/ full top spin at 5 instead of 1. I'll have to slow down the ball feed rate to be able to have time to go pick up my racquet after it gets ripped from my hands but I'll try!

I also don't know about the sweep feature at that speed but it should be fun! My biggest fear is of the time it'll take to get the ball to land in the court by adjusting the settings of the machine. The fact that those Gamma balls feel like heavy rocks at casual speeds might also be a problem.

I am posting wihtout reading anyone else ...

Would have liked to see you volley, return and play a real guy but based on what you have presented this is what I think.

Your strokes look to me like solid 4.0 strokes. You spray your backhand a little but technique was not bad. Your serve is not going to scare anyone but it looks dependable. I do not think you would beat the best 4.0's in this region but I would think you would beat most of the other 4.0 singles players.

That being said it would not surprise me to find out later you were a 4.5 in sheeps clothing ... players tend to play much differently against people than they do against the machine and maybe you have steely nerves.

1 thing i forgot to mention -

in both video 1 and 2, about half of your shots land around the service line.... I don't know if it's because of those rock hard balls...

but in live match situation, that type of depth control will get you in trouble vs. a solid 4.5 like that guy from vegas.

Wow, nice forehand, at least a full level above your backhand, which is loopy, slow, and not nearly as accurate.
Your serve is fine if you get it in, stick to 4.0, and don't come to net every time.

"Your like a solid 2.5 player" SBD

You appear to have a cranial rectal inversion, it may be obscuring your vision, you may want to post about it on the Health section. Consider the hundred of years of medical expertise available right at your fingertips.

OP- Strokes look nice. No rating, but I would imagine that given enough match experience you could have fun playing with just about anyone.

Bacterio said:

So you've got 4.0 strokes but without a video of live match play, there's no telling what level you might play at. Could be a low end 4.5 or as low as 3.5. You can probably leave 3.0 and below and 5.0 and above out of your range.

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Wow, I'm amazed at the disparity at which people judge NTRP levels. Are you looking at how the stroke looks, or at what results are generated by the stroke? Yes, the forehand looks pretty, but rarely has any real pace or spin considering that he's hitting off a ball machine. The backhand is a dud, needs to be completely reworked. I'd say the backhand would pull you down to a 3.0 level, but it's hard to say until you see the whole package in action. By the way, I'm totally not qualified to judge, but I am locally famous for being the only player in my town who consistently under or accurately rates himself; everyone, and I mean everyone, usually self judges by .5 or 1 above their actual level, it's a commonly known fact among teaching pros. I'm just really insecure about my tennis I guess (not a good thing when trying to win matches!).

Find a good player and see if can do a "figure 8 drill" for more than 4-6 balls. If not, you're probably like the rest of us (aka 95 % of the world is a 3.5).

Nice fh-but your on a ball machine
Bad bh-technique is wrong
Serve-Not getting free points off that but you shouldn't be getting it shoved down your throat either.
Don't use those balls
Final rating:lowish 4.0

fruitytennis1 said:

Nice fh-but your on a ball machine
Bad bh-technique is wrong
Serve-Not getting free points off that but you shouldn't be getting it shoved down your throat either.
Don't use those balls
Final rating:lowish 4.0

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what's wrong with the bh?

i don't play 2hbh.... but just out of curiosity... .some day I may need to teach it.

Mainly, I'm very stiff in my shots and I just sling or push the ball to a place. It isn't that bad and it holds up under pressure. I just don't get many winners from it. I haven't seen many players who do hit winners from the baseline with their backhands against good opponents. They, like me, use it to stay in the point by placing it deep and attack the short mid-range shots with their forehands. I do roll over it nicely to maintain topspin and control. I need to work on making it more fluid.

I know it looks as though I'm spraying my backhand shots because I'm stiff but I'm really placing those shots. I also don't hit every shot deep as I work on hitting the short angles that stretches opponents across the baseline to take them out of the court with both forehands and backhands. Taking players outside of the court means there are fewer places they can safely return their shots w/o landing them short allowing me to attack. Any player that has decent strokes can bang back and forth up the middle! It is the change of pace and the creation of angles that allows players like myself to come in and volley to an open court.

I should've played more golf left handed to increase my flexibility on the backhand side. That is an issue w/ my backhand. I'm going to go do my YOGA X now and work on that flexibility.

ok now, stop being defensive.... just admit it's a flaw.

Your "short" angles will be hammered home by any good player

solid depth fh+bh , serve is efficient, fundamentals are ok. movement could use some work, footwork looks sloppy.

4.0+, edging closer to 4.5 with regular match play.

thanks for videos.

fruitytennis1 said:

Your "short" angles will be hammered home by any good player

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it's clear he has complete over his bh shot, he could hit within metre of baseline or drop it on service box angle. a controlled measured shot.

equinox said:

it's clear he has complete over his bh shot, he could hit within metre of baseline or drop it on service box angle. a controlled measured shot.

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[non joking mode ON]

I am not sure about the 'measured' part.

Dak, how much tennis have you been playing since the early 90's? Any hitting at all, even recently, (with other players - not a wall or machine)?

Impossible to tell with a ball machine hitting slow feeds consistently into your hitting zone with what looks like flat balls. Your forehand I fine, your backhand has a hitch in it which is the biggest issue. Your takeback is early, hitches, then goes back again really fast and you end up swinging late or last minute. There is no fluidity. You need to focus your backhand on being 1 fluid motion, taking the ball early and driving through it. Only thing I can think of now that stood out for me. BTW I looked at the 1st video before reading your post and thought it was some 16 year old kid hitting lol. Must be what looks like shaved legs and ankle socks and the ball cap that completes the younger look. BTW Good luck in your comeback. Focus on having fun and keep us posted.

You need to land on you left foot after the serve. Look at all the pros videos in youtube, left foot land in front of you're right handed and vice versa. You right foot is in front of you after the serve and I did the same thing and was told it was wrong.

sabala said:

Dak, how much tennis have you been playing since the early 90's? Any hitting at all, even recently, (with other players - not a wall or machine)?

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I've been hitting but just no real match play for a number of years. I couldn't find anyone that could play to a level that made it fun for me and it is too expensive to play indoors to meet real players. That and I was really into playing golf, running, etc. Then, four years ago I played regularly over the summer w/ a kid who just finished playing D3 or D2 tennis. Like me, he couldn't find anyone to push him and he depended on me to play and keep his shots active. He moved away and the next summer I found another guy who was in his late 20s but was a former D1 player. Same thing, he couldn't find anyone who could "play" his shots back, etc. and then he took time off for shoulder surgery. The last two summers, I've sort of rounded up a group of players I've met through Craigslist into a regular game and a few are good enough to push me. This year, I've probably only gone a week or two w/o playing due to bad weather. I've taken sets (only usually play 1 at a time) off of 4.5 players from Columbus, Chicago, other ******* cities and I've lost to 4.0 players too. The more I play, the more consistant I become. I really need to join a league. In the summer, they only have a doubles league here and I plan to join. I'm looking into 4.0 and we'll see from there. I want to win and build confidence. I'd like to play a singles tourney too.

I'm just doing it for exercise and fun. I try to work to get better but it isn't my mission in life.

Devilito said:

BTW I looked at the 1st video before reading your post and thought it was some 16 year old kid hitting lol. Must be what looks like shaved legs and ankle socks and the ball cap that completes the younger look. BTW Good luck in your comeback. Focus on having fun and keep us posted.

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I have blonde leg and arm hair.

dozu said:

[non joking mode ON]

I am not sure about the 'measured' part.

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Alright. I've got to turn the machine on full blast AND bring cones out to the court for targets. I'll do it. It is suppose to get cold and rain so it might be a couple of weeks.

Just for fun, I'm going to also bring out a wood and a t-2000!

Then, you guys will see my shots hold up!?

What else do I need to do, aside from bringing out Nadal or Federer? Because we all know that wouldn't work either. Someone would just post that 1 guy was a 3.5 and the other was maybe a 4.5 on a good day. WE ALL KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE!

Don't expect me to actually hit the cones either! I'm a 2.5 player for goodness sake.

now you are getting more and more defensive.

I really don't feel I'm being defensive. I'm just trying to please everyone. Besides, I'm sort of looking forward to cranking the machine up to full blast power to see if....

1) I can even get it to keep the balls on the court.
2) If it is possible to return the balls into the court w/
a - my normal racquet
b - an old wooden racquet & I don't own any decent ones
c - a T-2000
3) If I can hit with it like that in sweep mode and how fast I can keep the feed rate before I can't get to any of the balls. Afterall, I had trouble at the middle speed and the feed rate just past the middle setting.

I look at it as a fun challenge. Why not? I was also considering standing there and taking one off of the chest like Adam Sandler in Happy Gilmore and grunting and yelling out "only 364 more days until next years hockey tryouts. I've gotta toughen up." I probably will assess the situation before I try that one. 85 mph in the chest would prabably hurt.

Also, why not bring out the cones. I've got them from all of the kiddie sports I voluntarily coach. It could be fun to put 5 out there at say the service box outside corners,the baseline corners, and up the middle. Like I said, I don't expect to hit them but it might give me some extra incentive to hit toward them in succession. It would be really tough in sweep mode. I think it would show that my backhand isn't as weak as some suspect it is. I know it isn't a weapon but it isn't a huge liability either.

I might just find that hitting against the machine at full blast makes me better! I just better remember to turn it back down before my 5 year old takes her turn.

hey dak, no need to get defensive. I think most of us agree you're around 4.0. I think you'll be just fine there. Just play at 4.0, have fun, and if you keep getting better, just play 4.5 next time.

There's no shame to being 4.0. But I also do think the criticism of your backhand is warranted, and if you can improve that, you'll be a much better player.

dak95_00 said:

Don't expect me to actually hit the cones either! I'm a 2.5 player for goodness sake.

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mate, please don't claim to be ntrp 2.5 - itn 8, insulting to those real players struggling through the ranks.

do google search for "NTRP 2.5".

if believe you can beat those hackers then you're 3.0+.

btw even the ball machine ball occasionally jams and misfires. has 1.5 rating on slow speed, 3.5 fast.

What, you mean we haven't come to a conclusion based on ball machine hitting? Odd.

Dak, you hit pretty well. Personally I would seek out help on the backhand from a good pro who can get you hitting through it like your forehand.

I'm not claiming to be a 2.5. I took that from someone else's post on this thread.

I thought and most have confirmed that I'm a 4.0 who could move up to 4.5 w/ a little more practice and experience. I'll get there.


Thanks for the kind words.

I'm still going to crank up the ball machine just to see what it's like. I really want to know because I'm just curious.

You have good strokes. It is hard hitting against a ball machine.
If Dozus slap chop hitting partner is a 4.5 your a 5.0.

But you can be 4.5 no issues if not already. Guess it would depend on match experience.

arche3 said:

You have good strokes. It is hard hitting against a ball machine.
If Dozus slap chop hitting partner is a 4.5 your a 5.0.

But you can be 4.5 no issues if not already. Guess it would depend on match experience.

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hm, you are implying that my slap chop partner is not a 4.5

so if we put him at 4.0, and since you put the over/under at you winning 1 game per set from my partner, based on your escrow proposal, that would put you somewhere around 3.5

does that sound right?

dozu said:

hm, you are implying that my slap chop partner is not a 4.5

so if we put him at 4.0, and since you put the over/under at you winning 1 game per set from my partner, based on your escrow proposal, that would put you somewhere around 3.5

does that sound right?

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no. If you say he is 4.5 then if I get 1 game then I can be 4.0. I have no problems with that. Bet on? (even 3.5 I dont have issues)

arche3 said:

no. If you say he is 4.5 then if I get 1 game then I can be 4.0. I have no problems with that. Bet on? (even 3.5 I dont have issues)

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how about we have a poll, on if arche3 is a decent, fair, human being, by proposal over/under at 1 game per set, with the type of power demonstrated in the wall video, vs. the slap chop partner with such wild spray angles...

you tried to hustle $500 from someone who only makes $3000 a year.

poll on?

dozu said:

how about we have a poll, on if arche3 is a decent, fair, human being, by proposal over/under at 1 game per set, with the type of power demonstrated in the wall video, vs. the slap chop partner with such wild spray angles...

you tried to hustle $500 from someone who only makes $3000 a year.

poll on?

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All I am saying is slap chop cannot possibly be a 4.5 player with those strokes. you were hitting to him and he was spraying them all over the place. Power means not a lot if I hit it out. So my bet stands. If he is a 4.5 then I am a 3.5. I can live with that.

I am speechless now.

so can we poll on if arche3 is a 3.5

dozu said:

I am speechless now.

so can we poll on if arche3 is a 3.5

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We don't need a poll. Why? I am saying your slap chop hitting partner who is an old dog is not a 4.5. I don't care what my NTRP is. I care about the "Escrow" If he is a 4.5 then he must have some serious ninja skills on the court. So my bet stands.
If you said 3.5 then I can see that. He hits like the guys that show up at doubles round robins at local clubs on sundays that hack at the ball.

dozu said:

I am speechless now.

so can we poll on if arche3 is a 3.5

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im calling TW again for ur posts not to count.....they told me if we ignore u will stop talking nonsense but i doubt it