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I think that ship has sailed along with the chance for a second RG last Sunday.
Like I said before, it's NOT THE SURFACE that counts nowadays.
Maybe it was a much bigger factor years ago, but not now.
Federer needs a new mentality when playing Nadal and I don't know who can help him with this.
Right now, they could play on 90's grass and I bet Fed would still find a way to lose.
And then walk to a US Open victory.
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It would really be a thread killer if they end up in the same half.
It would really be a thread killer if they end up in the same half.
Holmes: Call me a sceptic, but that isn't going to happen. Especially with Wimbledon having its own rules for seeding etc., which I can't quite remember. After all, their intentions are too make money. Nothing will make more than a 2008 rematch.
I'd be utterly amazed if they end up in the same half.
As regards the the OP, hmmm, I think not. Although I'd love for it to happen.
Holmes: Call me a sceptic, but that isn't going to happen. Especially with Wimbledon having its own rules for seeding etc., which I can't quite remember. After all, their intentions are too make money. Nothing will make more than a 2008 rematch.
I'd be utterly amazed if they end up in the same half.
As regards the the OP, hmmm, I think not. Although I'd love for it to happen.
(I know, and surely that will happen one day, unless its true that the draws aren't done randomly. The coin can't land on heads every time)
It's a cycle that has repeated itself countless times in the past 5 years.
stage 1: Fed supporters claim that it is time he beats Rafa in <insert name of tournament here>.
stage 2: Fed breezes through his first week matches, and threads are created with the "Fed is unbeatable!!! the old roger has arrived" theme.
stage 3: Fed plays Rafa. Serves like crap, converts like 9% of his break points, loses the match.
stage 4: "Even though he lost, he played well. He will win the next time they meet. trust me"
rinse and repeat.
Nothing? How about a Brit in the Wimbledon final after God knows how many years? If they're indeed fixing the draw the way they want then it's still hard to say how it will play out given that it's Wimbledon.
They do have a formula for seeding but I don't think federer's grass results over the last 2 years are enough to outweigh Djokovic's ranking. Seeding should be 1 nadal 2 djokovic 3 Federer. Therefore 50/50 of fed and nadal being in same half.
It's a cycle that has repeated itself countless times in the past 5 years.
stage 1: Fed supporters claim that it is time he beats Rafa in <insert name of tournament here>.
stage 2: Fed breezes through his first week matches, and threads are created with the "Fed is unbeatable!!! the old roger has arrived" theme.
stage 3: Fed plays Rafa. Serves like crap, converts like 9% of his break points, loses the match.
stage 4: "Even though he lost, he played well. He will win the next time they meet. trust me"
rinse and repeat.
I don't know about that.Where I live,Wimbledon 09 final had higher ratings than the '08 one.I even posted them here (and no,I do NOT live in the US )Holmes: That would be the greatest news in the UK, yes However, I'd probably argue that from a business point, even Murray making the final wouldn't generate as much interest (and financial gain) globally as a Fedal Wimbledon rematch.
Federer has the edge at Wimbledon. US Open and Wimbledon are the only GS that Federer can actually beat Rafa whether in struggling or confortable fashion.
Pre 2008 Rafa maybe. If Federer beats Rafa at Wimbledon it would HAVE to be in straight sets, and Rafa doesn't play that game in finals.
And then walk to a US Open victory.
You heard it here first.
And then walk to a US Open victory.
You heard it here first.
Pre 2008 Rafa maybe. If Federer beats Rafa at Wimbledon it would HAVE to be in straight sets, and Rafa doesn't play that game in finals.
Federer fan are crazy.
I am holding my breath for Fedace's expert opinion on this.
Our FordStan prognosticator believes an upset is imminent. '11 Wimby draw will include Falla and unretired Ancic in Fed's section, with one of them finishing the job.
Holmes: Call me a sceptic, but that isn't going to happen. Especially with Wimbledon having its own rules for seeding etc., which I can't quite remember. After all, their intentions are too make money. Nothing will make more than a 2008 rematch.
I'd be utterly amazed if they end up in the same half.
As regards the the OP, hmmm, I think not. Although I'd love for it to happen.
Holmes: That would be the greatest news in the UK, yes However, I'd probably argue that from a business point, even Murray making the final wouldn't generate as much interest (and financial gain) globally as a Fedal Wimbledon rematch. If however there aim is to help Murray reach the final, it'd be nigh on impossible to grant him an easy route unless they placed Fedal and Novak in one half. That couldn't happen.
I agree completely with your last statement. It's hard to say how it will play out.
Speranza
I've head this 'Wimby organisers want Roger and Rafa in the final for financial gain - no way will they be in the same half' meme on a couple of a occasions now. Some points if I may.
1. The draw is drawn, in public, by a human being
2. AELTC and LTA will make the same revenues no matter who is in the final - all the tickets are already sold, all the TV/internet contracts are already let. Moreover, AELTC is not primarily driven by revenue generation - hence them not selling advertising space anywhere in the grounds despite the massive additional revenue this would create.
3. If the AELTC were going to frig the draw (and I don't think they have either the inclination or capability to do so) - surely they would frig it so Murray made the final - that would make a Rafa/Roger semi more likely.
And then walk to a US Open victory.
You heard it here first.
Holmes: Good morning there Batz! May I thank you for your comments. If I'd have been someone else, I'm sure you'd have been a touch harsher on me!
You've made some very good points, and in doing so have dampened my auto-scepticism. The latter exists in me due to the never ending corruption heard of throughout the bodies of large sporting organizations, from the Olympic committee to FIFA. Whilst it is unfair to tar everyone with the same brush, my negative side tends to take over if I feel there is large money involved for said organizations.
With that in mind, you've made a very good point re. AELTC not seeking more revenue from advertising. I'd not stopped to think of that. As regards the TV contracts already being let, I'm sure they want the same to occur next year, hence higher viewing figures will benefit them. Higher viewing figures will most likely occur with Fedal involved *, as your part time tennis fans will enjoy that particular rivalry also at Wimbledon.
Having Fedal in one half alone would in theory benefit Murray's route to the final, but that'd leave Novak in his side of the draw, so still tough. Although the former would be the lesser of two evils.
Regarding the fixing of draws, be it human made draws or not... well, the following comes to mind. Where there is a will, there is a way. Yes, the sceptic returns!
My problem Batz, is that I believe the following in life; if a system is open to abuse, it will be abused.
However, your points may well lead me to think this particular one isn't open to it. Thanks for calming my dark side
**Mandy, I didn't know that! It just goes to show. In the UK, the figures were higher for 2008 by 2 million plus compared to 2009.
The weird thing is...there's a 50% chance that a Fedal semifinal would be set up instead.
But then again I think 12 out of 14 times, Djokovic and Federer have been in the same half. That sounds incredibly non-random.
Only if you think that getting 10 'heads' out of 12 when tossing a coin is 'incredibly non-random'.
Yeah, a football team that starts the season 12-2 while having a completely average team skill level is very lucky.
The weird thing is...there's a 50% chance that a Fedal semifinal would be set up instead.
But then again I think 12 out of 14 times, Djokovic and Federer have been in the same half. That sounds incredibly non-random.
And then walk to a US Open victory.
You heard it here first.
And then walk to a US Open victory.
You heard it here first.
(I just realized how massive the barrier now is between Rafa and Federer. Federer hasn't beaten Rafa at a slam since 2007. Do you realize how difficult it will be for Federer to overcome this psychologically next time they meet?)
Sure he will (there is a name for that pathology you know: d-e-n-i-a-l)And then walk to a US Open victory.
You heard it here first.