Where was this Roger during the slams and the rest of the season?

jackson vile · Nov 27, 2011

I have to wonder why Federer always does so well at the end of the season almost every year?

Is Federer just so much more amazing at the end of the season?
or
Is the competition taking it easy, which allows Federer to win more and easier?

If neither, then where was he during the rest of the season?

Bartelby · Nov 27, 2011

He likes a roof over his head and he took a good break before the final surge, like a good General.

Spider · Nov 27, 2011

The way I see, it was Djokovic in superb form that stopped Federer twice in slams, and Nadal as usual at RG. Tsonga was the only surprise for me (and two of the slam loses was in five sets).

If they cannot maintain that level (i.e. Nadal, Djokovic), Federer is still good enough to beat them and the rest. As much as it pains me to say it, Federer still has a great game to beat almost everyone.

dudeski · Nov 27, 2011

jackson vile said:
I have to wonder why Federer always does so well at the end of the season almost every year?

Is Federer just so much more amazing at the end of the season?
or
Is the competition taking it easy, which allows Federer to win more and easier?

If neither, then where was he during the rest of the season?

So 30 year old Federer who played 76 matches this year is somehow immune from being tired like rest of the 5 or 6 year younger guys in their prime? Or maybe he just got unlucky at the slams.

Mike Sams · Nov 27, 2011

jackson vile said:
I have to wonder why Federer always does so well at the end of the season almost every year?

Is Federer just so much more amazing at the end of the season?
or
Is the competition taking it easy, which allows Federer to win more and easier?

If neither, then where was he during the rest of the season?

He was busy beating up Djokovic so that Rafa could secure his beloved Roland Garros trophy. Then Federer beat up Djokovic some more at the USO, dragging him to 5 sets and trying to tire him out so that Federer's buddy Rafa could have a better chance of getting revenge on Djokovic and winning the USO.
Too bad it didn't work out

Babblelot · Nov 27, 2011

Roger could easily have won the US Open. He just choked after one point didn't go his way. That was likely the difference between another loss to Djokovic and his 6th USO title.

Raiden · Nov 27, 2011

I have to wonder why Federer always does so well at the end of the season almost every year?

Is Federer just so much more amazing at the end of the season?
or
Is the competition taking it easy, which allows Federer to win more and easier?

If neither, then where was he during the rest of the season?

Why is Nadal no loger improving?

Why was he mediocre/stagnant all year long outside clay?

Is the hard/grass competition getting too tough for Rafa?

Is he a one-surface wonder?

Mike Sams · Nov 27, 2011

Let's also give credit to Tsonga. He played 79 matches in 2011 and was still in great form to the very end and pushed Federer hard. Tsonga finished a whole season in good shape. No injuries. Good for him going into 2012. He jumped a hell of a lot in the rankings to even get into the World Tour Finals in the first place.

decades · Nov 27, 2011

simple. roger is still the top 2-3 match player today even at 30. 3-5 is a whole different ball game. I really think he will struggle at slams from now on post quarter final.

Mike Sams · Nov 27, 2011

decades said:
simple. roger is still the top 2-3 match player today even at 30. 3-5 is a whole different ball game. I really think he will struggle at slams from now on post quarter final.

Well what do you expect? The real tournament begins after the Quarters in the Slams. The first week is just preparation really.

NadalAgassi · Nov 27, 2011

One factor is probably best 3 out of 5. Harder for an older player. He also benefits that his economical style keeps him fresh at the end of the season, while many of the more physical taxing guys are spent by then. Indoors also suits his game more than the slower conditions of many other courts.

decades · Nov 27, 2011

Mike Sams said:
Well what do you expect? The real tournament begins after the Quarters in the Slams. The first week is just preparation really.

you misunderstand. I am saying 3-5 is a different story for rogi now that he is 30. that is why he is cleaning up in these 2-3 late year tournaments when other players have lost interest.

Zildite · Nov 27, 2011

He didn't even make a Masters final this year until Paris and stopped a long title drought by winning Basel. I think the indoor aspect must be significant.

accidental · Nov 27, 2011

GOAT = Novak > Fedal

SirGounder · Nov 27, 2011

It's a combination of factors. He wasn't able to train before the season like he normally does, meaning it took him time to get into playing shape/form.

Djokovic had a ridiculous season and was playing amazing tennis.

Nadal at Roland Garros, nothing to really say about that.

Fed loves the indoor tournaments, always has.

He was close at the US Open, but choked like mentioned above.

In the end, he comes out with some momentum for 2012 and hopefully a lot of confidence. He also has no nagging injuries to worry about.

mistik · Nov 27, 2011

SirGounder said:
It's a combination of factors. He wasn't able to train before the season like he normally does, meaning it took him time to get into playing shape/form.

Djokovic had a ridiculous season and was playing amazing tennis.

Nadal at Roland Garros, nothing to really say about that.

Fed loves the indoor tournaments, always has.

He was close at the US Open, but choked like mentioned above.

In the end, he comes out with some momentum for 2012 and hopefully a lot of confidence. He also has no nagging injuries to worry about.

He was close to reaching finals Us Open,he would have lost to Nadal outdoors anyway.

Xizel · Nov 27, 2011

This Roder WAS here during Slams. He gets a set or two, proceeds to match point, then choke it away to Tsonga and Djokovic. Fortunately, he caught Tsonga this time. Djokovic... ah!!!

ViscaB · Nov 27, 2011

You can only be as good as your opponents make you look. The opponents are all tired.

mandy01 · Nov 27, 2011

He was tired and injured a bit more than Nadal was.

dh003i · Nov 27, 2011

decades said:
you misunderstand. I am saying 3-5 is a different story for rogi now that he is 30. that is why he is cleaning up in these 2-3 late year tournaments when other players have lost interest.

BS. Lost interest? Nonsense, his is the World Tour Finals and the 5th most prestigious event in tennis. The anti-Federer folks keep saying everyone else is "tired" or "hurt". After so much rest, this is ridiculous. Somehow, old-man Federer is more fit than guys 5+ years younger than him and doesn't have problems at the end of the tennis season, but these young guys aren't fit enough to do well.

If that is the case, it is a demerit to them. And it certainly shows Federer is fit enough to win more Major's, seeing as how the guys who won them this year obviously weren't fit enough to play an entire season of tennis at a high level.

dh003i · Nov 27, 2011

btw, Tsonga's great form after a long season for him as well is a reason why I think that if he ever gets his head together and gets a coach, he can be a great player capable of sustained excellence without major burnout.

Docalex007 · Nov 27, 2011

LOL @ all the *******s in this thread unwilling to accept Federer for what he is... the best.

Sentinel · Nov 27, 2011

mandy01 said:
He was tired and injured a bit more than Nadal was.

High five to you, mandy !

Netzroller · Nov 27, 2011

dudeski said:
So 30 year old Federer who played 76 matches this year is somehow immune from being tired like rest of the 5 or 6 year younger guys in their prime? Or maybe he just got unlucky at the slams.

Whatever it was, he was obviously fresher than the other top guys, right? Part of the equation is his elegant non grinding style that has always allowed him to be incredibly consistent.
Nadal was physically fit I think but mentally not quite there. Djokovic seemed to have trouble in both departments and Murray was injured.
And as others have pointed out, the conditions suit him perfectly (those other guys not so much).

Babblelot said:
Roger could easily have won the US Open. He just choked after one point didn't go his way. That was likely the difference between another loss to Djokovic and his 6th USO title.

You do know that this was not the final? I don't think it's a fact that he would have beaten Nadal...

Docalex007 said:
LOL @ all the *******s in this thread unwilling to accept Federer for what he is... the best.

Imo he is the best, but not this year.

dh003i · Nov 27, 2011

Netzroller said:
Whatever it was, he was obviously fresher than the other top guys, right? Part of the equation is his elegant non grinding style that has always allowed him to be incredibly consistent.
Nadal was physically fit I think but mentally not quite there. Djokovic seemed to have trouble in both departments and Murray was injured.
And as others have pointed out, the conditions suit him perfectly (those other guys not so much).

Correct...and whatever the reason, it is a credit to Federer and a weakness / demerit to Djokovic, Nadal, and Murray that they just aren't fit enough to maintain great form throughout the season. I see this as a failure.

Babblelot · Nov 27, 2011

Netzroller said:
Whatever it was, he was obviously fresher than
You do know that this was not the final? I don't think it's a fact that he would have beaten Nadal...

OK, I'm happy for you.

Roger had match points to get to Nadal. He likely could have won the Open.

Agassifan · Nov 27, 2011

cc0509 said:
*******s should not feel too badly because Nadal is the best on CLAY. At least he has that! :wink:

Not in 2011

ViscaB · Nov 27, 2011

Agassifan said:
Not in 2011

If you are the holder of RG you are the best on clay. And don't get started on the fact that Djokovic didn't make it. If he were the best on clay he would have been able to make the final.

dr325i · Nov 27, 2011

dh003i said:
BS. Lost interest? Nonsense, his is the World Tour Finals and the 5th most prestigious event in tennis. The anti-Federer folks keep saying everyone else is "tired" or "hurt". After so much rest, this is ridiculous. Somehow, old-man Federer is more fit than guys 5+ years younger than him and doesn't have problems at the end of the tennis season, but these young guys aren't fit enough to do well.
.

ALL that you said above is purely your opinion with absolutely NO facts.
This WTF is just a glorified exibition, limited to the top 8 and makes probably more money to the tournament organizers than the Slam. It is NOT "the 5th most prestigious event in tennis".

Physically, the other players (Nadal, Novak...) may have not been spent, but mentally they obviosly were.

Roger won 3x less tournaments than Novak this year, it is logical to be less tired -- he won them all since the USO...

We will see what happens when the SEASON starts at the AO...

devila · Nov 27, 2011

fed was supposedly the goat in 2009, but the crying sore loser lost to nadal and del potro. fed was very lucky with a vastly inferior athlete opponent in this decade in the slams and year end championships every year since 2003.
if nadal and djoker had no brains, they would have winded up like
safin, nalbandian and roddick. arrogant fed would have at least 80-90 titles if djoker, nadal, murray, tsonga and del potro were wimpy fat slobs like roddick.

Kaz00 · Nov 27, 2011

It's all a setup. Because Federer knows that next season Djokovic and Nadal have a lot of points to make up. While Federer has a lot to pick up. Federer will go on to win all 5 slams next season.

Love all · Nov 27, 2011

I think Federer manages his schedule very well, and understands his body very well.

devila · Nov 27, 2011

dr325i said:
ALL that you said above is purely your opinion with absolutely NO facts.
This WTF is just a glorified exibition, limited to the top 8 and makes probably more money to the tournament organizers than the Slam. It is NOT "the 5th most prestigious event in tennis".

Physically, the other players (Nadal, Novak...) may have not been spent, but mentally they obviosly were.

Roger won 3x less tournaments than Novak this year, it is logical to be less tired -- he won them all since the USO...

We will see what happens when the SEASON starts at the AO...

federina rarely played davis cup, but in his usual sneaky idiotic, slimey snake way, federer found a way to whine about his tiredness after an injured djoker humiliated him.
djoker never cried after losing to an exhausted nadal, unlike poor loser fed...

if federer had been a selfless, gracious davis cup player, he would be less lucky in the slams. look what happened to djoker, nadal and to a lesser extent. roddick... fed has always feared losing at least a slam or masters title after getting tired in davis cup ties.

dh003i · Nov 27, 2011

dr325i said:
ALL that you said above is purely your opinion with absolutely NO facts.
This WTF is just a glorified exibition, limited to the top 8 and makes probably more money to the tournament organizers than the Slam. It is NOT "the 5th most prestigious event in tennis".

Physically, the other players (Nadal, Novak...) may have not been spent, but mentally they obviosly were.

Roger won 3x less tournaments than Novak this year, it is logical to be less tired -- he won them all since the USO...

We will see what happens when the SEASON starts at the AO...

Actually, it is a fact, not my opinion. Nadal, Djokovic, and Murray have not been consistently great, as Federer was in his prime, and are now not able to match 30-year-old-man Federer at the end of a season. They haven't played more tennis than him, so they have no excuse. If you want to shift it off to "mentally tired", you just shift the area of failure.

Dark Victory · Nov 27, 2011

Bartelby said:
He likes a roof over his head and he took a good break before the final surge, like a good General.

I've a suspicion Federer has the same feeling of ease and comfort about indoor events the same way Sampras used to have. And like he said in his book, a huge part of it is psychological.

The smaller, more enclosed and confined the playing area is, the faster the court seems to play.

It's not like at a grandslam where the arenas are vast and the ends of the court look faraway. Also, outdoors, there are lotsa things out of your control (wind, noise, lighting conditions, etc).

namelessone · Nov 27, 2011

dh003i said:
Actually, it is a fact, not my opinion. Nadal, Djokovic, and Murray have not been consistently great, as Federer was in his prime, and are now not able to match 30-year-old-man Federer at the end of a season. They haven't played more tennis than him, so they have no excuse. If you want to shift it off to "mentally tired", you just shift the area of failure.

NaDjorray have problems at the end of the season because of their games, which are pretty physical. Plus the 30 year old man plays ballet tennis(hell, most of his physical problems had more to do with his immune system than with his game) that is easy on the body and being past his prime, he only peaks for the big ones whereas the young'uns have to care about ranking and such and have to beat themselves up each week.

Fed didn't make one masters final till Paris if I am not mistaken yet he had a pretty good slam season(for a player past his prime).

Djoko made 7 MS finals, 11 finals overall.
Nadal made 6 MS finals, 8 overall.

It's only natural that they should arrive more beat up at the end of the year.

devila · Nov 27, 2011

TMF said:
Just ignore the bitter troll...he's just denigrating Roger b/c he won the WTF.

I don't see any Fed fan create such thread - "Where was Nadal during the indoor season".

when roddick, hewitt and old agassi flaked out in the weak era, it was easy for federina. there were no dark and windy conditions or evil fake djoker and djoker fans and family bothering poor gentleman fed.

Raiden · Nov 28, 2011

dh003i said:
Actually, it is a fact, not my opinion. Nadal, Djokovic, and Murray have not been consistently great, as Federer was in his prime.

Never been.

This IS their "norm". They won't get more consistent than they are now. They are not good enough for that. So whoever beats them has beaten them fair and square. Which in turn means that OP Jackson_Vile's entire premise of this thread is dog-mess-crappy nonsense
.

sbengte · Nov 28, 2011

mandy01 said:
He was tired and injured and old a bit more than Nadal was and had kids who kept him up at night before important matches.

Fixed it

zagor · Nov 28, 2011

ViscaB said:
You can only be as good as your opponents make you look. The opponents are all tired.

Yes, that's the way Nadal won USO last year for example, his tired opponents(almost every player he faced played a 5 setter the round before) made him look better than he really is, peak Novak exposed him this year though.

Ralph · Nov 28, 2011

Spider said:
The way I see, it was Djokovic in superb form that stopped Federer twice in slams, and Nadal as usual at RG. Tsonga was the only surprise for me (and two of the slam loses was in five sets).

If they cannot maintain that level (i.e. Nadal, Djokovic), Federer is still good enough to beat them and the rest. As much as it pains me to say it, Federer still has a great game to beat almost everyone.

Has someone hacked your account???

If not, great post.

stingstang · Nov 28, 2011

Fed played solid tennis this week and got the job done but it wasn't amazing or better than any other time this year.

The question is whether Nadal & Djoker will still be spent when the AO comes around. Fed will still destroy the rest of the field.

syc23 · Nov 28, 2011

if we saw the Djokovic of AO, Wim and USO '11 vintage where he was like a mobile brick wall at WTF, then Novak would be the one lifting the trophy. He look completely disinterested in all 3 matches and was looking like a man with one eye on his vacation.

Let's see which Novak we'll see in 2012. I expect it'll be the one who has owned Roger in 2011.

zagor · Nov 28, 2011

syc23 said:
if we saw the Djokovic of AO, Wim and USO '11 vintage where he was like a mobile brick wall at WTF, then Novak would be the one lifting the trophy. He look completely disinterested in all 3 matches and was looking like a man with one eye on his vacation.

Maybe.

syc23 said:
Let's see which Novak we'll see in 2012. I expect it'll be the one who has owned Roger in 2011.

You mean Fed will be the only player on tour to beat Novak in a slam next year and have MPs against him in another slam?

DjokovicForTheWin · Nov 28, 2011

namelessone said:
NaDjorray have problems at the end of the season because of their games, which are pretty physical. Plus the 30 year old man plays ballet tennis(hell, most of his physical problems had more to do with his immune system than with his game) that is easy on the body and being past his prime, he only peaks for the big ones whereas the young'uns have to care about ranking and such and have to beat themselves up each week.

This is coming directly out of your asss. There is no scientific evidence for this. You watch Nadal grunt on every point and making wincing faces and assume that is harder on the body. You conveniently forget Nadal is significantly more muscular than Federer. It's not so simple. It's not all about Federer simply being more graceful. Stop making up crap.

cc0509 · Nov 28, 2011

nikdom said:
Are you sure? Didn't Djokovic kick his as$ on clay until Roger swooped in and saved Rafa from a FO final between Nadal and his nemesis?

It does not matter if Djokovic kicked his *** on clay this year. I am talking about their overall results in their careers and on clay Nadal>Djokovic. How can anybody possibly argue against that?

cc0509 · Nov 28, 2011

Agassifan said:
Not in 2011

I wasn't talking about 2011 specifically.

namelessone · Nov 28, 2011

DjokovicForTheWin said:
This is coming directly out of your asss. There is no scientific evidence for this. You watch Nadal grunt on every point and making wincing faces and assume that is harder on the body. You conveniently forget Nadal is significantly more muscular than Federer. It's not so simple. It's not all about Federer simply being more graceful. Stop making up crap.

What a well thought out post. I don't even know how to answer.

Tell ya what, why don't you create a separate thread with a poll and let's ask all the people here, regardless of who they support, who do they think has the toughest game on the body, Fed/Nadal/Djokovic/Murray?

Then we'll see who is talking out of their ass.

A little birdie told me that Fed will end up last in that poll though I can't imagine why.

namelessone · Nov 28, 2011

cc0509 said:
It does not matter if Djokovic kicked his *** on clay this year. I am talking about their overall results in their careers and on clay Nadal>Djokovic. How can anybody possibly argue against that?

It's simple. That anybody would have to be a Nadal hater.

Djokovic has NO RG FINAL to his name yet he is a better claycourter than Nadal who has won it six times.

LAWL.

Deleted member 21996 · Nov 28, 2011

jackson vile said:
I have to wonder why Federer always does so well at the end of the season almost every year?

Is Federer just so much more amazing at the end of the season?
or
Is the competition taking it easy, which allows Federer to win more and easier?

If neither, then where was he during the rest of the season?

he was recovering from the stomach muscle injuries caused by laughing at your dumbarseness!!!

Where was this Roger during the slams and the rest of the season?

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