It Is Time For Maria To Retake Her Rightful Seat On The Throne Of The WTA

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
SECOND of all, I'm not sure why Serena is ALWAYS being mentioned in these types of threads, but for those of you who would LIKE to make the comparison, lets go ahead and do so.

S Williams def. M Sharapova 6-1, 6-3 (Stanford 2011)
S Williams def. M Sharapova 7-6(9), 6-4 (Wimbledon 2010)
S Williams def. M Sharapova 7-5, 4-6, 6-1 (Charleston 2008)
S Williams def. M Sharapova 6-1, 6-1 (Miami 2007)
S Williams def. M Sharapova 6-1, 6-2 (AO 2007)
S Williams def. M Sharapova 2-6, 7-5, 8-6 (AO 2005)
M Sharapova def. S Williams 4-6, 6-2, 6-4 (YEC 2004)
M Sharapova def. S Williams 6-1, 6-4 (Wimbledon 2004)
S Williams def. M Sharapova 6-4, 6-3 (Miami 2004)

So as you can see, Serena thoroughly owns Maria. In fact, we have to go all the way back to 2004 to see a match where Maria actually beat Serena. I think the bolded matches speak for themselves...Some pretty brutal beatdowns wouldn't you say?

This is the reason Chris Evert and others said (during the ESPN AO 2012 broadcast) without hesitation--that Sharapova had to be relieved she would not have to face Serena. The history makes the reason painfully clear.

...but we know the Wonder Trolls will ignore your post--and the ESPN commentary to continue their little self-deception routine.


Oh, and for the record, Maria's earnings are not indicative of her abilities. One would think that should be obvious, but then again, look who i'm talking to.

Indeed.
 
M

monfed

Guest
In the Open Era alone, the tiers in no particular order within the tiers:

Tier 1: Graf, Navratilova, Evert, Court
Tier 2: Serena, Seles, King, Connolly
Tier 3: Venus, Henin, Bueno
Tier 4: Goolagong, Hingis
Tier 5: Clijsters, Davenport, Sanchez Vicario
Tier 6: Mandlikova, Austin, Jones, Wade
Tier 7: Sharapova, Capriati, Mauresmo, Pierce, Richey, Turner

Indeed tier 7 she is, far below 6 others from her era in bold, and sharing a tier with yet 3 others.

I think Clijsters would beat Hingis more often than not, don't you think so?
 

TERRASTAR18

Hall of Fame
Ditto!

Serena needs to shift her focus on her second career. Selling nail enhancements on HSN.

Her 15 minutes in tennis has timed out.

your avator lost....time to update your photo. these are the survivors-

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all of them
 
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Objective Danny

Hall of Fame
Steely glaze! Intense eyes! Real hair and nails! It screams, passion! Passion! Passion! This is the face I, and other objective fans, want to see as the representative of The WTA.


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Sentinel

Bionic Poster
I usually just lurk on these boards and fwiw I have no side here. But, if you call someone on how they write, you might check out your (you're) first sentence and read what you write.

Don't know you and not familiar with your posts, but I did a quick user search and your posts often seem haughty and repeat the same "you betcha and oh yes she did!" buzz phrase. Dedans is lunatic, but lots of time a colorful, inventive one. And he doesn't seem to be the bitter one here and he prolly laughs at himself and over the top lampooning. my 2 c, bye for now
Now, now Rosa,
that dedens poster isn't a lunatic. oh no he isn't !
And MM is a great poster. oh yes she is. Can you imagine how loud she farts ?
 
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THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
Steely glaze! Intense eyes! Real hair and nails! It screams, passion! Passion! Passion! This is the face I, and other objective fans, want to see as the representative of The WTA.

No true fan has a desire to see a player with poor movement, strategy and a one-dimensional game (not to mention a horribly spotty record at the majors) as the representative of the WTA. Fans love serious majors winners...not half-asses who lose to every generation she faces...

...much like no one truly concened with seeing real leadership in the White House would ever nominate a cud-chewing, lobotomized fool like Rick "me-not-know-nothing-about-government" Perry, hence his well-deserved comedic collapse.
 
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TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Ok but..you are failing to consider that given the fact that the last what...3-4 slams she hasnt even PLAYED Serena or Clijsters and hasnt won jack.

So how are you still assuming that with Serena or Clijsters gone, Maria will just rake in the slams?

Heck, in 2008-2010 with a half dead Venus, Henin retired and Clijsters retired and a part-timem Serena and Ivanovic, Woes-niacki and Safina as number ones, Maria managed ONE slam win.

Im not sure where you are assuming Maria will when 'many more' slams once Serena is gone.

Perhaps you are deriving confidence from the 2011 FO semifinal? Or maybe the 2011 Wimbledon final? Or maybe the 2009 USO QF? Or what about the 2012 AO final?

No, I'm simply stating at this point Maria has more chance than Serena, who's 30 yr old. Serena even stated that she's not in love with tennis which question her future motivation/desire. She may announce her retirement earlier than we expected. Meanwhile Maria has done well lately and she was only 1 match away from winning it all. She's playing better than before when she was still recovering after her shoulder injury. We'll see...if Maria can keep this level up there no reason not to believe she can win again. Anyone who write her off is blind by hatred.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
No, what was an embarrassment was Serena Jameka Williams behavior at two success US Open's she played in recently. She was bad for tennis and bad for women's sports.

Maria has always acted professionally on-court. You would never see Maria acting like that, oh, no you wouldn't.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE6Z5Q2tOk4

Mother Marjorie Ann
Empress of Talk Tennis Warehouse
So you think Maria's career(so far) at W is bad, what does that say about Serena at the FO? An embarrassment?

Of course the USO incident was an embarrassment and we praise that it will never happen again. Women's tennis is bad enough already and we don't need Serena to make it worse. Fans, line judges, umpire, players should feel safe out there, not terrify.

Since thundervolley trashed Maria's Wimbledon results, I ask him how does that compare to Serena at the FO when she hasn't done nothing after 2002. Added that Maria is 24 having more oppotunities to gain in the future. I've ask him a few times already and he can't answer my question except avoiding it by bringing up Federer(LOL!). He act as it's for sure Maria will win nothing in the future. But we know what happen when he trashes Nole when he was a one slam wonder....

I see the defense has entered, but to reiterate, he's a one-slam wonder who was overrated for no justified reason. For all of his so-called "game," he only managed to win his lone slam (once again) after getting by a sick Federer. Not too impressive. Where is all of this multi slam-capturing talent his flock repeatedly claimed he possessed?

Apparently nowhere, but i'm sure his family is convining him that he's the GOAT...

Djokovic will not be anything but a one-line footnote in this period; for all of the hype about that clown, what has he lived up to, other than beating Federer in a slam when Roger was still dealing with an illness. There's not an ounce of anything dynamic or defining about his game.
 
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Objective Danny

Hall of Fame
Not once has Maria Sharapova brought the game into disrepute.

I've lost count the number of times Serena Williams has given the sport a black eye!
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Not once has Maria Sharapova brought the game into disrepute.

I've lost count the number of times Serena Williams has given the sport a black eye!

It's also a good thing that tennis is a non-contact sport. Because if it is, Serena would likely to give her apponent a black eye if she loses. LOL

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Mainad

Bionic Poster
Not once has Maria Sharapova brought the game into disrepute.

True, but her appalling screeching han't exactly done the game any favours either. It's probably the main reason why so many of us can never quite take to her despite her obvious talent and fighting spirit.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Hope that Woozniacki retires soon after seeing how lousy player she is at the slams.

Is she any lousier than 90% of the women players out there? She at least made a final and a semi which is far more then the vast majority of them can boast.
Should they all retire as well?? :confused:
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
Not once has Maria Sharapova brought the game into disrepute.

No one cares. Ali was a controversial figure in with his political positions, but he's considered the greatest of all boxers.

Why? Boxing fans do not give a damn about anything other than his talent and results.

John McEnroe's anger, threats and occasionally boorish antics were controversial around the world, but that did not hurt tennis--in fact, it helped elevate the general public interest in men's tennis that has not been seen since, and he's still considered one of the all-time great players.

This is not the country club, paddycake fantasy you wish it to be.

Grow up....or continue living in Disneyland (or the realm where people believe Rick Perry had a chance to be president).

Re: Sharapova....ask yourself why she's incapable of dominating her generation--or the newbies. Why she's sold as a contender by delusional ideologues (like you), but her skills never warrant the propaganda spewed by your ilk.

I doubt you will be honest, but the statement needed to be posted.
 
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THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
Since thundervolley trashed Maria's Wimbledon results, I ask him how does that compare to Serena at the FO when she hasn't done nothing after 2002.

You must have reading comprehension issues, since i've already slapped you with the facts several pages ago: historically, proven success at Wimbledon means more to overall status, and Sharapova is not in the elite class of Martina, Graf, Venus & Serena. Her form is inferior, thus she was a fluke/shock winner and--moving forward at the event--could not grasp what it means to play on grass beyond that lucky run. She has never repeated there (or at any other major, for that matter).

She is not one of the greatest at the greatest major.

That is the truth.

Live with it, or continue sobbing all over your keyboard.
 
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Objective Danny

Hall of Fame
True, but her appalling screeching han't exactly done the game any favours either. It's probably the main reason why so many of us can never quite take to her despite her obvious talent and fighting spirit.

Believe it or not, some are taken with the sound that emits from her luscious red lips. They turn the volume on 8, the minute she steps on the court.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
No one cares. Ali was a controversial figure in with his political positions, but he's considered the greatest of all boxers.

Why? Boxing fans do not give a damn about anything other than his talent and results.

John McEnroe's anger, threats and occasionally boorish antics were controversial around the world, but that did not hurt tennis--in fact, it helped elevate the general public interest in men's tennis that has not been seen since, and he's still considered one of the all-time great players.

This is not the country club, paddycake fantasy you wish it to be.

Grow up....or continue living in Disneyland (or the realm where people believe Rick Perry had a chance to be president).


I doubt you will be honest, but the statement needed to be posted.

Whatever dude. But getting fine, probation, suspended due to her outburst at the USO paints a bad image. Serena can never be a role model, even if she win 50 slams.

Silly you...if threaten to kill someone would elevate public interest then Serena would continue her horrific tantrums year after year.
 
Sharapova is not in the elite class of Martina, Graf, Venus & Serena.
Stop pedaling the myth that Venus Ebony Williams and Serena Jameka Williams are in the same elite class as Martina Navratilova and Steffi Graf historically. You do that quite often and you are being intellectually dishonest.

As most Williams fans, you always try to attempt embellish the Williams sisters careers in order to make them more favorably historically.

It just isn't going to happen.

Maria has a few years left to make her stamp on history. The Compton twins do not.

Mother Marjorie Ann
Empress of Talk Tennis Warehouse
 
Whatever dude. But getting fine, probation, suspended due to her outburst at the USO paints a bad image. Serena can never be a role model, even if she win 50 slams.

Silly you...if threaten to kill someone would elevate public interest then Serena would continue her horrific tantrums year after year.
Serena Williams has never been good for women's tennis. She's a bad role model for young people and the sport.

Mother Marjorie Ann
Empress of Talk Tennis Warehouse
 
Not once has Maria Sharapova brought the game into disrepute.

I've lost count the number of times Serena Williams has given the sport a black eye!
And that's really the point, isn't is Danny?

Its why Maria is rewarded by Nike with the largest contract in women's sports, and Serena wasn't. Yep, you betcha!

Mother Marjorie Ann
Empress of Talk Tennis Warehouse
 

canny

Rookie
your blinded by hatred if you think maria isnt a contender. Her skill and fighting spirit is like no other.
 
In the Open Era alone, the tiers in no particular order within the tiers:

Tier 1: Graf, Navratilova, Evert, Court
Tier 2: Serena, Seles, King, Connolly
Tier 3: Venus, Henin, Bueno
Tier 4: Goolagong, Hingis
Tier 5: Clijsters, Davenport, Sanchez Vicario
Tier 6: Mandlikova, Austin, Jones, Wade
Tier 7: Sharapova, Capriati, Mauresmo, Pierce, Richey, Turner

Indeed tier 7 she is, far below 6 others from her era in bold, and sharing a tier with yet 3 others.
Maria Sharapova 24
Serena Jameka Williams 30
Venus Ebony Williams 32

Maria Sharapova holds Nike's biggest endorsement for a women in sports history.

Whose future looks brighter?

Mother Marjorie Ann
Empress of Talk Tennis Warehouse
 

canny

Rookie
Honestly Nadalagassi I dont know where you get your tiers from. You do realize shes recovering from a career ending soldier injury right? Has had other injuries and still pushed to finals and semis. Where was cljisters,serena and venus?
 
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NadalAgassi

Guest
Honestly Nadalagassi I dont know where you get your tiers from.

Pretty simple. Players achievments, overall careers, and legacies. If my tiers is wrong name me one thing you would change and why. I can easily explain exactly why I ranked everyone where I did.

You do realize shes recovering from a career ending soldier injury right?

Oh please, her shoulder surgery was FOUR years ago now. She has been back for 3 years. It is time to drop this comeback BS. She is either good enough or she isnt anymore. She had 3 good chance to win slams in the last year and blew them all playing like crap and failing to adjust when her game was off. That is not poor injured Maria, that is being mentally weak and one dimensional.

Maria has a few years left to make her stamp on history.

Yes with a minor miracle she could still climb to the lofty historic heights of Davenport or Wade level greatness before she hangs up her racquet. Even that seems unlikely at this point though.
 
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PCXL-Fan

Hall of Fame
Do you not realise how talented Maria is! If not for her injury she'd likely have 5-8 GS, and those achieved via grit and determination without physical advantages we know the Williams have.

I see a bit of the same fierce competitor like Lleyton Hewitt. Thats something that got her through matches when everything else was subpar after recovering from surgery, including her service which has gradually gotten better over the past 3 years.
 

crazyups

Professional
Do you not realise how talented Maria is! If not for her injury she'd likely have 5-8 GS, and those achieved via grit and determination without physical advantages we know the Williams have.

I see a bit of the same fierce competitor like Lleyton Hewitt. Thats something that got her through matches when everything else was subpar after recovering from surgery, including her service which has gradually gotten better over the past 3 years.

If not for the growth hormones she likely was given in her early to mid teens she would have won no slams.
 

Tcbtennis

Hall of Fame
This is not meant as a "troll" but I don"t get the "grit and determination" stuff that I hear about Sharapova all the time. Her shrieking puts me off so I do not watch a lot of her matches so please explain to me why she has that reputation. The matches that I have seen are her 2 recent slam finals which are not too impressive because she doesn't seem to make any adjustments in her game to try to change the momentum. Is there a match that she played where she fought back when she was down and out that could help me figure it out? Thanks.
 
I hope she doesn't stamp too much on history.
Yep, you betcha!
Speaking of pretentious 'you betcha' tripe, it seems like the TW gatekeepers cleaned house (outhouse in this case) and very much for the better. As for Sharapova, anointing someone with a 2-7 record vs Serena as "throne worthy" represents the silly little things silly little troll wannabes are made of.
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
Banned? Oh yes she is ! You betcha !

Could not figure out why he had to use middle names for the Williams girls each time.
 

jones101

Hall of Fame
Banned? Oh yes she is ! You betcha !

Could not figure out why he had to use middle names for the Williams girls each time.

Because MotherMarjorie aka TwistedTranny was insane.

Well done mods, yep you betcha!

Re: Maria, It only just occured to me how consistent she has been over the last 12 months, I was quite suprised.

Even she can stableise her wonky serve and add a smidgin of safety on her groundstrokes, maybe she can win a slam again?

Im not holding my breath, but it could be possible!
 

Tcbtennis

Hall of Fame
Banned? Oh yes she is ! You betcha !

Could not figure out why he had to use middle names for the Williams girls each time.

The same reason why people who do not like Pres. Obama call him Barack Husein Obama. To point out the ethnic sounding of his middle name to further inflame his detractors. There was no other reason to repeatedly use Serena's and Venus' middle name other than this. Only those who dislike the sisters because of their ethnicity or who realized what MM was doing got it. I'm glad that you didn't get it.
 

jones101

Hall of Fame
Honestly Nadalagassi I dont know where you get your tiers from. You do realize shes recovering from a career ending soldier injury right? Has had other injuries and still pushed to finals and semis. Where was cljisters,serena and venus?

NOOOOOOOOOOO!

1. She has surgery in 2008 - Almost 4 years ago.

2. Rehabbed for months and came back in Miami 09 (doubles) and singles just before FO, again that is ALMOST 3 YEARS CONSISITENTLY PLAYING ON THE TOUR! The recovery period is definitely over.

3. Maria has always been smarter than most and not played a tournament with any obvious injury, she either pulls out beforehand to heal or will withdraw immediately (rightly so). Name a time when you have ever seen Maria play with strapping on her body. So she was healthy when she made those finals. Kim/Serena/Venus have played a lot more matches injured.

No logical poster can still use that as if it is impeding her today.
 

spystud

Talk Tennis Guru
Not sure why this was bumped yesterday, but she’s out of IW. Can’t imagine she makes it through the year before hanging them up.

Two-time champion Maria Sharapova was forced out of the upcoming BNP Paribas Open on Wednesday due to a shoulder injury.

The Russian withdrew from the St. Petersburg Ladies' Trophy with the same injury at the end of January ahead of a second-round clash with Daria Kasatkina at that event.

The five-time Grand Slam champion has contested just three events since last summer's US Open, and has had to withdraw or retire from two of them.

The Russian reached the fourth round of the Australian Open in January before losing to Ashleigh Barty, upsetting defending champion Caroline Wozniacki along the way.

Despite having her best showing at the Australian Open since 2016, the 2008 champion was candid with her injury struggles in the Melbourne press room.

"The shoulder hasn't been much of a secret in the past year. That's been something I have been struggling with and had to shut down the season after the US Open," she revealed Down Under.

"[It's] still not where I want it to be, still working through some painful days. That's something that I have had to deal with since I was 21 years old and really at the peak of my career, [which] kind of came unexpected.

"I saw [my doctor] at the beginning of December, and he says it's a day-by-day pain management situation. It's definitely been an issue for the majority of last year and going into this year, as well, but it's something that...I'm still working through."

Sharapova won the Premier Mandatory event in 2006 and 2013, and reached the final in 2012.

With Sharapova's withdrawal, Germany's Mona Barthel is into the main draw.
 

Soianka

Hall of Fame
Wow, how has the world changed in 7 years. People actually believe that Maria Sharapova would be greater than Serena Williams. Did the opioid crisis start in 2012?

I remember people were saying that Maria was going to be the better player in 2004 and 2005. I can't imagine anyone still made that claim that in 2012.
 

spystud

Talk Tennis Guru
Out of Miami too after a “small procedure” on her right shoulder.

Maria Sharapova underwent 'a small procedure' on her right shoulder last week and has withdrawn from the Miami Open. The five-time major champion announced the news on her Instagram on Wednesday.

"I have just withdrawn from the Miami Open and wanted to give you a little update on the shoulder," Sharapova wrote on Instagram.

"As many of you know, I have struggled with shoulder pain since last summer. For ten weeks post US Open, I focused on getting my rotator cuff and scapula strong to support a surgically repaired fraying tendon and a small labrum tear. Although my shoulder got strong, it didn't help the pain on impact."

"After a few different opinions in a few different countries, last week I had a small procedure done which will take a few weeks to heal."

"Although this has been a very long process, I am incredibly committed to getting back strong and more importantly without the pain I was playing with at the beginning of the year."

Now ranked No.29, Sharapova has battled with right shoulder issues since undergoing surgery in the summer of 2008. At the Australian Open in January, she told reporters she was still in search of a solution to her ongoing shoulder pain, which she described as a pain management situation.

Struggling with injury, Sharapova has been able to play just three events so far in the 2019 season, having been forced to retire in two of them. After a strong run to the Round of 16 in Melbourne, where she defeated defending champion Caroline Wozniacki before bowing out to Ashleigh Barty in three sets, Sharapova was forced to withdraw mid-tournament from the St. Petersburg Ladies Trophy due to her shoulder.

After skipping the Middle East swing, the Russian also announced she would be unable to play the BNP Paribas Open, which begins next week.

Sharapova's next scheduled event is the Porsche Tennis Grand Prix, which begins in Stuttgart, Germany on April 22nd.
 

spystud

Talk Tennis Guru
Supposedly back next week.

Maria Sharapova will return to tennis at next week's Mallorca Open after being sidelined with a right shoulder injury since January.

The Mallorca Open said the former No. 1 has accepted a wild-card invitation.

The 32-year-old Sharapova hasn't played since her ailing shoulder forced her to withdraw from the St. Petersburg Open in January. In February, she underwent what she called a "small procedure" in hopes of dealing with the issue that had been causing her pain since last year.

Sharapova will be joined by 17-year-old Amanda Anisimova, who eliminated defending champion Simona Halep at the French Open and reached the semifinals.

The Mallorca Open is run by Toni Nadal, uncle and former coach of Rafael Nadal.
 
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