PV Audio's Playtest Thread
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I Azarenkafy you. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--RKN82WzT...cg/s1600/Fotos+de+Victoria+Azarenka+Hot+9.jpg
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arche3
Banned
Omg.... i never realised. She is very attractive.
So is this girl, who happens to be number 1. She looks like she is ready for a picnic in the park, and then for a hit. http://hotbeautifultennisbabes.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/victoria_azarenka_glamour_girl.jpg
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BigT
Professional
Throw in a few sets of L-Tec for fun.
mixedmedia
Professional
Hmm... Let me think for a few minutes. Any boundaries/conditions?
Well considering I already have a ridiculous amount of strings, the only company I have zero strings from is Gamma. The one I was thinking about is Isospeed Pyramid. Heard it gives wicked slice, even more than BHBR.
Up&comer
Hall of Fame
Gamma verve? You could also try out mantis power poly.
fortun8son
Hall of Fame
ZoTwist 16 or ZoBlack Ice 18?
mixedmedia
Professional
I like U&C's suggestions.
jdunnie014159
Rookie
Saw your post about your upcoming play tests involving the strings I asked you to try. Thanks for looking out, but don't feel obligated on my behalf.
As for the strings to buy:
Pro line Evo?
Yonex Poly Pro or the 850 multi?
Do they have Ytex?
As for the strings to buy:
Pro line Evo?
Yonex Poly Pro or the 850 multi?
Do they have Ytex?
0S/4S.
I'd genuinely like to see this BS-Tec propaganda put to an end once and for all.
alidisperanza
Hall of Fame
I can save you the time on the isospeed. Pyramids is ok but the strings lose tension terribly fast, are terrible to string and if you hit with any sort of topspin, they round out in 15.
polytheist
Rookie
Try out that LTEC 3s/gut hybrid you already have the strings for.
Up&comer
Hall of Fame
Already got it covered.
That's why I emailed you: I added PPA to my stringing inventory
While I do want to show off my new sticks...:
...I have a challenge: first person to accurately identify what that red and white thing is chooses the playtest after the 3 I already have lined up
And I'm not talking about my customer's Radical lol
tistrapukcipeht
Professional
Already got it covered.
That's why I emailed you: I added PPA to my stringing inventory
While I do want to show off my new sticks...:
...I have a challenge: first person to accurately identify what that red and white thing is chooses the playtest after the 3 I already have lined up
And I'm not talking about my customer's Radical lol
That is the massage thing you roll on your muscles to relieve the tension for tight muscles, right?
And what would you like to see playtested?
tistrapukcipeht
Professional
And what would you like to see playtested?
I'm play testing the Yonex Poly Tour HS 1.25 on Yonex Xi 100, I had never used either before, so if you could play test the Poly Tour HS would be great.
I'm using it at 53/51 , it's been only 2 hours in the first session and I like the string for the control it provides, but i don't know if the string is a little stiffer or if it is the racquet at this point.
What do you think? Can you play test this string?
tistrapukcipeht
Professional
BTW, I'm using the swimming pool thick noodles for that, but I wanted to know where you bought yours, if possible.
Mark Philippousis has one of that thing on his bag check, or similar at least.
Thanks
Mark Philippousis has one of that thing on his bag check, or similar at least.
Thanks
That's not fair. You didn't say the red and white thing on the right.... :grin:
Up&comer
Hall of Fame
He said it wasn't the rad.
Didn't see that bit.....phone internet sucks.
Tapatalk also seems to have stopped being compatible with these forums.
alidisperanza
Hall of Fame
Rad's are orange anyways
http://www.amazon.com/The-Stick-TravelStick-Travel/dp/B000P7PVWU/ref=pd_sbs_sg_1
I saw it in my local running shop once, and I asked the saleswoman what it was. She's like "it's a massager stick, you roll it over your muscles and it helps recovery." I thought it was a load of BS. I went home a few weeks later and my father, who's been cycling for the past 30 years and races kids my age had one in the study. He'd gotten back from a ride and was using it. I was like, is that one of those muscle sticks? He goes "this thing is great! No more cramps blah blah blah blah". I was skeptical, so I ran 5k or so the next morning, used the thing before I got in the shower and for the first time ever, my quads weren't sore in the slightest. I swear by it now, and for ~25 bucks, it's worth not being sore after training
mikeler
Moderator
http://www.amazon.com/The-Stick-TravelStick-Travel/dp/B000P7PVWU/ref=pd_sbs_sg_1
I saw it in my local running shop once, and I asked the saleswoman what it was. She's like "it's a massager stick, you roll it over your muscles and it helps recovery." I thought it was a load of BS. I went home a few weeks later and my father, who's been cycling for the past 30 years and races kids my age had one in the study. He'd gotten back from a ride and was using it. I was like, is that one of those muscle sticks? He goes "this thing is great! No more cramps blah blah blah blah". I was skeptical, so I ran 5k or so the next morning, used the thing before I got in the shower and for the first time ever, my quads weren't sore in the slightest. I swear by it now, and for ~25 bucks, it's worth not being sore after training
Father knows best. When my son can read, I'm bringing him back to this post.
mikeler
Moderator
It's up to him. I want him to play sports for exercise and to learn team work. If you get the itch for another multi to try, I'm playing terrific with the Signum Pro Micronite.
Hi I'm Ray
Professional
With respects to ppl's own opinions here:
Vesnina, really? I just watched her from the 2nd row, she's not bad but kinda average looking.
An opinion is just another opinion, I'm not sure why a few posters here are acting like certain reviewer(s) opinions are any more valid than others. Strings and rackets are very subjective and obviously not everyone can agree on them.
I have never used L-tec and I am not interested in them but if they can last at least twice as long as other polys I wouldn't say they are worthless or unsuitable for high level players because the playability isn't high enough. Ppl who don't have their own stringing machines need to take into accound the cost of restringing and time (driving, waiting) I think forums(not just tennis related) can mislead ppl into thinking equipment that is not "top notch" is unusable. I have met some very good players, college level, that really are not picky at all about strings. Some play with all Prince syn gut og, some use whatever their college provides for free, some don't even know whats in their frames and just let their stringer take care of everything, many play with poly till it breaks even if its been dead for 2 weeks. Some ppl are equipment sensitive, some are not.
I watched Nadal & Ivanovic at the BNP and have to agree with this. Nadal seems kinda restless like he's got too much energy and will just smack a surprisingly fast ground stroke suddenly, it looks like a freakin serve. I didn't see anyone hit groundstrokes that hard that day, not Djokovic, maybe Almagro once but not with as much control. The other team did seem intimidated. Groundstrokes look like they're going to fly out but then suddenly dives into the court near the baseline. Interesting observation of Ivanovic too, she doesn't seem like she's playing hard, her movement is girly and not very agressive but she's winning and somehow hits hard shots esp her forehand.
Vesnina, really? I just watched her from the 2nd row, she's not bad but kinda average looking.
An opinion is just another opinion, I'm not sure why a few posters here are acting like certain reviewer(s) opinions are any more valid than others. Strings and rackets are very subjective and obviously not everyone can agree on them.
I have never used L-tec and I am not interested in them but if they can last at least twice as long as other polys I wouldn't say they are worthless or unsuitable for high level players because the playability isn't high enough. Ppl who don't have their own stringing machines need to take into accound the cost of restringing and time (driving, waiting) I think forums(not just tennis related) can mislead ppl into thinking equipment that is not "top notch" is unusable. I have met some very good players, college level, that really are not picky at all about strings. Some play with all Prince syn gut og, some use whatever their college provides for free, some don't even know whats in their frames and just let their stringer take care of everything, many play with poly till it breaks even if its been dead for 2 weeks. Some ppl are equipment sensitive, some are not.
I watched Nadal & Ivanovic at the BNP and have to agree with this. Nadal seems kinda restless like he's got too much energy and will just smack a surprisingly fast ground stroke suddenly, it looks like a freakin serve. I didn't see anyone hit groundstrokes that hard that day, not Djokovic, maybe Almagro once but not with as much control. The other team did seem intimidated. Groundstrokes look like they're going to fly out but then suddenly dives into the court near the baseline. Interesting observation of Ivanovic too, she doesn't seem like she's playing hard, her movement is girly and not very agressive but she's winning and somehow hits hard shots esp her forehand.
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alidisperanza
Hall of Fame
I definitely agree with much of what you wrote but here are a few comments;
- Opinions definitely are personal but then again, there are some that are more reliable/ credible than others. If someone offers an opinion that is consistent, and credible as reviewed by other peers it may be considered more credible than someone who doesn't necessarily have that history. For example; would you take tennis tips from Roger Federer? How about some random old man with a walmart racquet that comes up to you @ the park?
Obviously, I'm exaggerating here but the point still stands; there is a measure of credibility.
As for the second part, I don't think anyone is saying that the strings are worthless but rather not quite living up to their promotion. Also, I think the communal thought and concern here is the value of the strings. Home stringers get a break when it comes to trying different things but imagine what someone without these options would have to go through? They would not only have to pay the base cost of the string but the cost of stringing. With the Jet method and the expensive training required to "properly" string frames, one would assume that the cost of stringing will subsequently increase. In the end, the consumer would be getting an average product at a premium price.
I also know several outstanding players that don't have any real preference for string etc. What I do know is that they want their frames to be strung consistently at the cheapest rate possible.
HIR, I agree with you completely. But what you're addressing isn't the issue at hand. It's that the claims made are nowhere near their true performance. Also, for those needing longevity, the German polys from Signum Pro, WeissCANNON and Genesis (in that order) will hold tension for the duration of their lifespan. I have a friend, customer and hitting partner who is using full WC Scorpion. He emailed me Wednesday and said this:
Let me put it like this, since ali above alluded to a very good point. I have customers who don't care what's in their racquet. I've got a ex-college player who wants Wilson Stamina 16 at 58/58 and that's it. Then I've got 3.0s who want natural gut mains and Luxilon crosses because Federer uses it. These players won't care about L-Tec. The ones who will are us: string junkies who like tooling with their equipment. We're the market: 3.5-4.5 level players who enjoy the technical aspect of the game. If we don't like it, then it's not a successful product. Since the target market has yet to be wowed by L-Tec's performance and its price is extreme, then it won't be a popular choice. Now, if they lowered the price to even $12/set, then they'd be competitive. At their pricing, no durability claims will make it worth the price since their target market either breaks strings often, or tries something new.
I strung the racquet on January 31. For someone at his level, that's pretty good longevity. For someone at a lower level, then you wouldn't need to replace your string for months. Point is: if a 9 dollar string like Scorpion will play great for 6 weeks+, why shell out over twice that much to get something with, in my opinion, far worse playability? I'm slightly biased because I think that Scorpion is probably the best overall poly string out there. I don't know of a single player who would not benefit from it in some way. There are strings which perform better in certain areas, but as an overall package, it's nearly impossible to top for a smooth poly. The L-Tec effectively needs to blow the Scorpion out of the water for playability and last for much longer. It doesn't.
Let me put it like this, since ali above alluded to a very good point. I have customers who don't care what's in their racquet. I've got a ex-college player who wants Wilson Stamina 16 at 58/58 and that's it. Then I've got 3.0s who want natural gut mains and Luxilon crosses because Federer uses it. These players won't care about L-Tec. The ones who will are us: string junkies who like tooling with their equipment. We're the market: 3.5-4.5 level players who enjoy the technical aspect of the game. If we don't like it, then it's not a successful product. Since the target market has yet to be wowed by L-Tec's performance and its price is extreme, then it won't be a popular choice. Now, if they lowered the price to even $12/set, then they'd be competitive. At their pricing, no durability claims will make it worth the price since their target market either breaks strings often, or tries something new.
rdis10093
Hall of Fame
right on, hope it plays as good for you as it does for my game
Indeed, I'm excited to try it out. I haven't played a Lux string in.....two years?
Up&comer
Hall of Fame
:lol: It's funny you asked me that, because the same guy, rdis10093 offered me two sets of it when I picked up the string in question. Let's just say I let him keep it
arche3
Banned
:lol: It's funny you asked me that, because the same guy, rdis10093 offered me two sets of it when I picked up the string in question. Let's just say I let him keep it
are you talking about the new luxilon prototype ? that roddick supposedly played? and or Nishikori supposedly plays?
I'd like a review of that string.
I already reviewed the gold lux string in that thread. It feels like a 1st gen poly, and nothing more. I did not try the green stuff, but heard it was nice. The consensus on the gold though was that was just generic feeling. I concur with that assessment.
arche3
Banned
hmm.. .too bad. Luxilon needs a new string.
Honestly, I don't think that they do. I almost liken Luxilon to BMW. ALU is the M5, the BB derivatives (Original, TiMo, Fluoro, Ace) are the M3. You choose which one you want depending on your tastes, but all are top tier. Then you have Savage and Adrenaline which are the 535i and 325i depending on which one you want to take which spot. Point being, while they still hold the name, the only reason you're buying them is because ALU and Big Banger strings have such a reputation. In other words, while you know you're getting a high quality product, it's only because of the quality of the flagship marques that they'll even sell. While I haven't tried Adrenaline Rough (but obviously will momentarily), Savage and Adrenaline are just good strings with the Lux name on them. I do not think that they're bad at all, honestly. While Adrenaline is not, I do however strongly feel that Savage is overpriced. However, unlike with many other string brands (or hell even BMW) where even across the models, you can tell that it's made by the same people because of a certain trait, Adrenaline and Savage do not remind me of ALU or the BB strings in any way shape or form. ALU and the BB guys give the "Luxilon" feel. Adrenaline and Savage don't have that.
So just to make sure people aren't misunderstanding what I'm saying: I do NOT dislike Luxilon. I don't think their strings are crap at all. I DO think that Savage and Adrenaline were created for people who cannot afford to play with ALU or BB but still wanted to play with Luxilon string (brand loyalty, whatever you wish to call it). It's there though that I DO think that neither feels remotely similar to any other Luxilon offerings. And it's for that reason that if someone sees that I carry Adrenaline (which I do) and would like it because it's Lux, I would steer them towards an alternative. The strings themselves though, are fine, and Adrenaline is not an overpriced poly. It just bears no relation to its name.
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