mikeler
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This talk of rebuilding sounds all very heroic, but the reality is that everything about coastal dwelling needs to be rethought.
I can't believe I'm agreeing with you so much lately.
This talk of rebuilding sounds all very heroic, but the reality is that everything about coastal dwelling needs to be rethought.
things here are afwul. live in toms river close to seaside bridge. have family along the bay, marina, and surrounding areas. my mom works/worked blocks from the beach at antrim school. don't know if they school is left. there were bodies in the water by arnold avenue. 2 sides of family has lost homes. we can't even try to get back in to try to get mail and whatever essentials. had to swim to future-mother-in-laws house sunday afternoon because we hadn't heard from her in a day. things aren't organized at all around here. we got power back a day ago and have been periodically houses 4 or so families. parents won't leave house in lakewood with no power because of fear of looters (don't live in great area) and are too stubborn to ever ask for anything. things here are pretty nuts. will update soon again. people are in shock. tryed not to punch girls doing stupid kissy-face facebook posts in areas of destruction. people need to start planning things to do instead of waiting for people to do them for you. thanks for any support.
Yes all the very best of wishes and luck . We need help each other out.
What help are you getting?
What do you think is the original reason why hurricanes form / how do they gain their power??
Errol Flynn believed one was formed just so he could discover heaven on Earth...Jamaica! If you have time read My Wicked Wicked Ways! Have a case of Smirnoff on hand to truly appreciate his take on things!
Ok, will check that out .. seems quite a find.
Did he run for office?? Or for the hills?? Lol.
Hehe.......
A Hormon problem?
How do you feel about $600B for failed green energy companies?
Believe what you want BUT back in 1938 a Cat 3 storm with 200mph winds hit north of New York and killed over 700 people between Long Island and Maine......Sandy was a Cat 1 storm that hit one of the most populated places on earth........
Insurance companies are taking note.
"Climate driven changes are already evident over last few DECADES for severe thunderstorms,for heavy percipitation and flash flooding ,for hurricane activity,and for heat wave , drought and wildfire dynamics in parts of North America'
Munich Re - Insurance company
They say decades, they woke up early . When are people going to ?
Why is my tax money going to people I don't know? Why aren't we spending money on important "National" security issues such as illegal alien invasion, Chinese "stealth" naval fleet, Iranina nuclear armed ICBM. The world is intumult and my tax money is wasted on people beach front properties?
FEMA, get out! Let private, for profit companies rebuild. Let these companies create jobs, make money by charging "free market" fair value. People are not entitled of free bottled water when we can charge them $20.
Obama and that Jersey turn coat are turning all of us into the 47%.
If you can't pay to rebuild your house, don't buy it. If you can't afford to insure your car, don't get one. Self-reliance is key.
My money should be going toward the 1000 ships fleet needed to defend America! Red Dawn is coming!
$600B?? Where did you get that number?
So much in this thread to respond to but chrischris, get a grip please. You've asked several times what caused Sandy. Have you not had basic 8th Grade Earth Science? Or is it that you don't live in a hurricane (or tornado) prone area and they skipped over that part of class?
I'm guessing, however, that your questions are mostly rhetorical as you seem to want to drive this conversation into the Global Warming arena. But the real solution to avoiding such destruction is much more, well, global than blaming human carbon production. I'm neither a "denier" or "prophetizer" of Warming. In fact, I think one of the quotes in the article you referenced probably put it best: “Would this kind of storm happen without climate change? Yes. Fueled by many factors. Is storm stronger because of climate change? Yes.” [quote by Jonathan Foley, director of the Institute on the Environment at the University of Minnesota]. I don't know of or care about the man or that organization's particular politics...but the statement makes sense to me and I suspect, that's where a large majority of folks reside: somewhere in the middle. So, can we prevent hurricanes? Please. No. But can we minimize damage done from them? Absolutely.
As a society, I think we need to be more realistic about the whole concept of living and building so near to water....be it the Mississippi River floodplains or the sub-sea level city that is New Orleans. Try as we might, through the powers of engineering and money (to construct and insure such things)....in the end, you're not going to win the war with Mother Nature. You can win battles along the way, "buy" (in every sense of the word) some time to enjoy the proximity but the waters will eventually win. And rebuilding in these places, well, I see that as the very definition of throwing good money after bad and as your average josette-taxpayer, I resent having our tax dollars going to perpetuate this problem.
For the folks in the NE, I'm sorry you're having to live through this mess. It's hard, though, to have a lot of sympathy for the ones who didn't heed warnings to prepare (by either getting o-u-t outa there or stocking up on all manner of supplies). I've lived through many a 'cane warning, and sometimes get a bit jaded on the media's hype that "This is the Big One" --- only to prepare and then not need it. But we still go through those motions every time. Better safe. Than sorry.
/rant over and I hope my fellow TTers treat it as such.
Why is my tax money going to people I don't know? Why aren't we spending money on important "National" security issues such as illegal alien invasion, Chinese "stealth" naval fleet, Iranina nuclear armed ICBM. The world is intumult and my tax money is wasted on people beach front properties?
FEMA, get out! Let private, for profit companies rebuild. Let these companies create jobs, make money by charging "free market" fair value. People are not entitled of free bottled water when we can charge them $20.
Obama and that Jersey turn coat are turning all of us into the 47%.
If you can't pay to rebuild your house, don't buy it. If you can't afford to insure your car, don't get one. Self-reliance is key.
My money should be going toward the 1000 ships fleet needed to defend America! Red Dawn is coming!
Agreed, particularly on the last. But recognize we already spend millions (dare I say billions without a referencable "link" ) to keep these "big cities" dry...for now. Couldn't we have a rational discussion about using some of those dollars on relocation as well, as part of a more overall plan for minimizing water/flood damage? Merely saying you can't do it isn't entirely so. I see it more of a question of if, when and how prudent it is rather than a cut-n-dry proposition.The Dutch know how to live beneath sea level and given that you can't move big cities then tens of billions will have to be spent.
The fact is that human habitation is where it is for good reasons and teilling fisherman to live twenty kilometers from the coast makes no sense.
Moreover, the devestation of New Orleans was made immeasurably worse by the destruction of the wetlands for real estate development when a different development pattern may have spared them.
The natural sponges that would have saved some of Staten Island were all concreted over long ago.
Without even considering the question of AGW, we have to develop in environmentally sustainable ways for the sake of our human environment (and our bank books) as much as for nature itself.
Bain Capital is setting up shop in Soho to sell bottled water for $18 a bottle. And individually packaged Cup of Noodles at $8 per serving.
Bain Capital is setting up shop in Soho to sell bottled water for $18 a bottle. And individually packaged Cup of Noodles at $8 per serving.
YES! Free market economics at work.
I was just watching Sportscenter and they're go to go ahead with the NY marathon.
They're also bringing in generators, personnel, and etc. to facilitate the marathon.
Are you kidding me?! If you're BRINGING in resources, they should be used to aid the struggling areas. Not run a damn marathon!
Yeah! Thats free market economics at work.
Sure , thats the main reason.
How on earth could i have not thought of that?
Participators in such a small event as the NYC marathon are last minute decisions too of course.
No planning for it nor training in advance needed, right?
I was just watching Sportscenter and they're go to go ahead with the NY marathon.
They're also bringing in generators, personnel, and etc. to facilitate the marathon.
Are you kidding me?! If you're BRINGING in resources, they should be used to aid the struggling areas. Not run a damn marathon!
I'm hoping this rumor about them turning away electrical workers from Alabama because they were non Union is untrue.
Guess Bloomberg just gagged...NYC Marathon is now cancelled! I wonder if he will still accept $26.20 from every participant who wasted time and energy getting there ahead of time to prep for the run???