How would you rate your personal health & fitness level?

FastFreddy · Nov 15, 2012

ankle

LeeD said:
I might be wrong, but one of my old Baja500 buds said the KX-500 had more than enough horses to go 100mph, but the desert makes you pay a huge penalty if you stuff the front end at that speed. He came in top 5 at least 3 years.
Believe it or not, I'm starting to almost run on the tennis courts! After Sept. '07, I hadn't run more than 3 steps due to the ankle problem, but my body adapted, albeit slowly, and I can actually run for wide balls and overheads that land within 2' of the baseline.
It's weird though, I can now get there, but I have to learn to setup the feet all over again, making this current evolution of LeeD by far the most clumsy...

Did u break it or just twist it really bad? I have not played tennis tourments or leagues since 1999 just after my 2nd shoulder surgery. Can't wait to start riding again. I use to wear a bell moto 3 helment now they are up to bell moto 9 helments. My 1985 cr500 had 50 hp and was a tank at 235pounds and I was only 158lbs. Now Iam 198lbs riding a 69hp Honda 500af weighing 213.8 pounds. I still have to make up my mind if I should get the 3 or 4 gallon upgrade. 1.5 gallon is not alot. all new 450 4 strokes have a 1.6 tank but I heard the Servive Honda 500af 2 stroke goes thur 30 percent more gas than a 450 4 stroke. So I need aleast 3 gallons to equal 2 gallons of a 4 stroke. One person said he got 14 miles to a gallon with his af500 not sure if that is good or bad. Iam sure track and riding style affects mpg alot hard to compare. I was thinking go with the 4 gallon tank to keep the front end down. The extra 12 pounds of gas should help so I don't flip over.

LeeD · Nov 15, 2012

Couple three docs say unofficially I have torn tendons in the top of my foot, which explains why it takes so long to heal and that I can still windsurf just fine, but have trouble snowboarding and loading that ankle.
My KX-420 actually got about 30 mpg. But it also holeshot 80% of the starts, so I couldn't complain. My bud's Maico490 actually got worse mileage. My roomate's CR-450 got about 50 mpg. The Husky390WR I had for 4 months barely got 30. My BSA500MX got about 65 mpg, used the old Husky aluminum 1.6 gallon tank and did fine on the sand beach rides for over 1.5 hours, including keystone cop chase scenes running from the SanFrancisco City Cops.
Still, as I said, adding fork and shock oil, tranny and water coolant, + the minimum 3 gallon tank (presume you ride in the desert), you're looking at 235lbs. minimum.
Maybe run a slow throttle to start....or don't take a handful of throttle.

FastFreddy · Nov 15, 2012

ankle & bikes

LeeD said:
Couple three docs say unofficially I have torn tendons in the top of my foot, which explains why it takes so long to heal and that I can still windsurf just fine, but have trouble snowboarding and loading that ankle.
My KX-420 actually got about 30 mpg. But it also holeshot 80% of the starts, so I couldn't complain. My bud's Maico490 actually got worse mileage. My roomate's CR-450 got about 50 mpg. The Husky390WR I had for 4 months barely got 30. My BSA500MX got about 65 mpg, used the old Husky aluminum 1.6 gallon tank and did fine on the sand beach rides for over 1.5 hours, including keystone cop chase scenes running from the SanFrancisco City Cops.
Still, as I said, adding fork and shock oil, tranny and water coolant, + the minimum 3 gallon tank (presume you ride in the desert), you're looking at 235lbs. minimum.
Maybe run a slow throttle to start....or don't take a handful of throttle.

How long ago did u hurt it? What were you doing any sports? Well the other 4 strokes are listed 235 dry and this bike is listed 213.8 dry. So 4 stroke 450's would be like 260 with gas and oil. My shoulder tendon took 7 months to heal. I tweaked my achilles tendon and that took 10 months to heal since I still played some tennis on it. Not going to ride in the desert sand gets in everywhere a bit$h to clean. I am going to take it to a mx track and ride in dirt. I only rode once in sand in NJ and hated it!! I think I will opt for the 4 gallon tank so I can ride longer and not need to refill at the track. I think I will be shot after 4 gallons and go home and take a nap!!

LeeD · Nov 15, 2012

Hurt it Sept.'08 landing a moderate, maybe 8' high jump on my windsurf board with footstraps set too big. My foot, upon landing, jammed in too far and twisted hard inwards. I immediately knew something was wrong, and sailed in, very gingerly, no weight on that front foot.
Haven't run for a tennis ball until last week, when I ran for a lob to within 2' of the baseline. Everyone expressed concern.
I'd really worry about the power on a MX track. Think of doing doubles and an extra, unintended tweak of the throttle in the heat of battle.
I used to beat the BostromBros whenever we raced on a blue groove track, or on mud races. They'd kill me in wide open traction tracks (VetExpert). They rode CR-500's against my KX420 or RM-500's, which had much much less overall power, but more tractable and easy to ride. Even my HuskyWR-390, got some holeshots, just due to it's easy riding tractable power.
OTOH, maybe I"m a wimp at heart. Still, was weighing around 140 then.
I think you're gonna spend lots of $$$ on rear tires.

FastFreddy · Nov 15, 2012

wimp?

LeeD said:
Hurt it Sept.'08 landing a moderate, maybe 8' high jump on my windsurf board with footstraps set too big. My foot, upon landing, jammed in too far and twisted hard inwards. I immediately knew something was wrong, and sailed in, very gingerly, no weight on that front foot.
Haven't run for a tennis ball until last week, when I ran for a lob to within 2' of the baseline. Everyone expressed concern.
I'd really worry about the power on a MX track. Think of doing doubles and an extra, unintended tweak of the throttle in the heat of battle.
I used to beat the BostromBros whenever we raced on a blue groove track, or on mud races. They'd kill me in wide open traction tracks (VetExpert). They rode CR-500's against my KX420 or RM-500's, which had much much less overall power, but more tractable and easy to ride. Even my HuskyWR-390, got some holeshots, just due to it's easy riding tractable power.
OTOH, maybe I"m a wimp at heart. Still, was weighing around 140 then.
I think you're gonna spend lots of $$$ on rear tires.

Can u still go windsurf? How much do u weigh now? I was only 128lbs when I got my first 125 at 5'10 3/4 I was like a toothpick. I lifted alot of weights over the years until I got up to 198 by 25 years old. Even at 192 I felt too skinny. I bulked up to 230 but too heavy for tennis. I played my best tennis on clay at 215lbs. Nah I doubt I will ride that much, I think I will have to drive a bit away to find some dirt on here it's mostly sand out here. I only time I wore out a rear tire was riding my 125, 250 and 500 on the streets of NYC and not one cop could ever catch me. They also caught kids of those little kx, cr, rm, yz 80's. I even rode on the hwy at night pinned out in fifth gear not sure how fast I was going since no spedo but I was moving. I evn rode in the rain at night which was a hand full with dirt tires haha.

LeeD · Nov 15, 2012

Last week I was 147 lbs. Still right at 5'11".
During the summer, I windsurf with the best National caliber slalom sailors, go fast, make fast jibes with no mistakes. Even the National Champ in slalom, TysonPoor, and we're about dead even. I've been competing since 1986 in slalom.
I back off a bit on jumps, so nothing close to 5 years ago. Still get the fin about 8' off the water. Landing on water is just much softer than dirt, snow, or cement.
I actually don't go to sites where there is consistent high winds, as that would tempt me to always go for the highest jumps of anyone on the water. I shouldn't be landing those jumps at my age.
On our open bikes, everyone would replace the rear tires after maybe 6 races. 125's could last longer, but only if the tracks were maintained and well watered. Blue groove tracks needed new tires every other race.
We practiced mostly on sand tracks at OceanBeach, SanFrancisco, right at the now City Sewer Plant, next to SFZoo. For some reason, I never got my Open bikes running at the Zoo sand track. Always rode 125's and 250's there.
Most fun was running from the cops on my BSA500MX. The cops had Honda350 dual purpose bikes, Harley street bikes, FordT%C sedans, and helicopters, which surprisingly, weren't too hard to lose in the tunnels to the beach and the houses in the SunsetDistrict.
Horses were the jokes. They'd run from us.

FastFreddy · Nov 15, 2012

asian dude?

LeeD said:
Last week I was 147 lbs. Still right at 5'11".
During the summer, I windsurf with the best National caliber slalom sailors, go fast, make fast jibes with no mistakes. Even the National Champ in slalom, TysonPoor, and we're about dead even. I've been competing since 1986 in slalom.
I back off a bit on jumps, so nothing close to 5 years ago. Still get the fin about 8' off the water. Landing on water is just much softer than dirt, snow, or cement.
I actually don't go to sites where there is consistent high winds, as that would tempt me to always go for the highest jumps of anyone on the water. I shouldn't be landing those jumps at my age.
On our open bikes, everyone would replace the rear tires after maybe 6 races. 125's could last longer, but only if the tracks were maintained and well watered. Blue groove tracks needed new tires every other race.
We practiced mostly on sand tracks at OceanBeach, SanFrancisco, right at the now City Sewer Plant, next to SFZoo. For some reason, I never got my Open bikes running at the Zoo sand track. Always rode 125's and 250's there.
Most fun was running from the cops on my BSA500MX. The cops had Honda350 dual purpose bikes, Harley street bikes, FordT%C sedans, and helicopters, which surprisingly, weren't too hard to lose in the tunnels to the beach and the houses in the SunsetDistrict.
Horses were the jokes. They'd run from us.

Dam 5'11 147 u r still one skinny dude. I checked out the top five brands of 450 4 strokes and they weigh 245-250 wet. My bike dry at 213.8 even with 4 gallons of gas should weigh the same plus I will have about 17 more hp and way more tq. The 4 strokes sound like farts and 2 strokes sound like high bees. I think the 4 strokes are louder since they are more base and the 2 strokes have a high pitch. I still love the sound of 2 strokes since that's what I grewup riding and hearing.

pvaudio · Nov 15, 2012

I'm quite pleased. I used to weigh over 240lbs, but have now come down to 160 in an effort to improve my cardiovascular health. I unfortunately was graced with ventricular hypertrophy from and leading to high blood pressure as a teenager, so even now I'm on two diuretics, a beta blocker and an ACE inhibitor just to keep my BP normal. Thankfully my heart is back to normal shape, but I still have good ol' hypertension at the age of 23. I try to run, swim, box and tennis my ass off, but at this point it's just genetics. Do have a resting heart rate of ~50, incredibly good lipid levels and (unfortunately) have a quite high BMR which leads to always sweating more than everyone else lol. So with that in mind, yeap, I'm pretty pleased.

FastFreddy · Nov 16, 2012

hp and weight

LeeD said:
Last week I was 147 lbs. Still right at 5'11".
During the summer, I windsurf with the best National caliber slalom sailors, go fast, make fast jibes with no mistakes. Even the National Champ in slalom, TysonPoor, and we're about dead even. I've been competing since 1986 in slalom.
I back off a bit on jumps, so nothing close to 5 years ago. Still get the fin about 8' off the water. Landing on water is just much softer than dirt, snow, or cement.
I actually don't go to sites where there is consistent high winds, as that would tempt me to always go for the highest jumps of anyone on the water. I shouldn't be landing those jumps at my age.
On our open bikes, everyone would replace the rear tires after maybe 6 races. 125's could last longer, but only if the tracks were maintained and well watered. Blue groove tracks needed new tires every other race.
We practiced mostly on sand tracks at OceanBeach, SanFrancisco, right at the now City Sewer Plant, next to SFZoo. For some reason, I never got my Open bikes running at the Zoo sand track. Always rode 125's and 250's there.
Most fun was running from the cops on my BSA500MX. The cops had Honda350 dual purpose bikes, Harley street bikes, FordT%C sedans, and helicopters, which surprisingly, weren't too hard to lose in the tunnels to the beach and the houses in the SunsetDistrict.
Horses were the jokes. They'd run from us.

I did find some more info the service honda 500af is 230 wet and the other 450's wet are 245-250 wet. So I can add another 2 gallons which would add 12 pounds and be the same weight. I also found an article 500af vs 450 four stroke 2008 honda. The 450 had 52 hp and the 500 had 65 stock. Now Iam thinking a rejetted carb, ported head and rad valve should put out 71hp.Plus Iam sure they added some more hp since that motor was a 2008. The 500 was 2-3 secs faster per lap with 3 different riders. They said this bike would work great on a gp style mx track. Iwas thinking of changing the gearing since they said 2nd was too much and 3rd was too low. Add some more gear so I can rev out in 3rd and fourth I doubt I will ever use 5th.

PS: can u still play tennis?

LeeD · Nov 16, 2012

Except for sand tracks, usually 250's have the fastest times, at least in the old daze when 500's weighed closer to 250 lbs, and 250's around 230.
Don't know about more horsepower equating lower lap times. Every track I've ever ridden, talking motocross only (easy 150 AMA races), 250's had more than enough power, and except for the 2 Sacramento sand tracks, 125's could have the lowest lap times....but can't beat the 500's.
Are you still in NewYork, like Unadilla?
I play about twice a week now, just bought a MicroRadOS racket to ease the shoulder problems of my Aero500's. Still play high level 4.0 doubles and top 3.5 singles...not running not good for singles.

FastFreddy · Nov 16, 2012

bikes

LeeD said:
Except for sand tracks, usually 250's have the fastest times, at least in the old daze when 500's weighed closer to 250 lbs, and 250's around 230.
Don't know about more horsepower equating lower lap times. Every track I've ever ridden, talking motocross only (easy 150 AMA races), 250's had more than enough power, and except for the 2 Sacramento sand tracks, 125's could have the lowest lap times....but can't beat the 500's.
Are you still in NewYork, like Unadilla?
I play about twice a week now, just bought a MicroRadOS racket to ease the shoulder problems of my Aero500's. Still play high level 4.0 doubles and top 3.5 singles...not running not good for singles.

Nope moved form NYC now living in socal and next plan to retire in Italy and ride my 71hp Service Honda 500AF and relax with my gf. I checked out the 450's some more the Kaw 450 has the highest hp for 2012 with 55 but weighs like 250 wet. I need two more shoulder surgeries one on each shoulder. Me I just ride my spin bike at home and take classes but I been running 8 miles everyday to get ready for my next marathon in January should be fun lots of pain haha!! I visited SF once back in 1991 and went to Daly city to visit my friend who now live in OC. SF is super clean like Toronto not like NYC. If u have the money play with natural gut I could play 4 hrs no shoulder pain. Poly on the other hand is so bad for your shoulder. Plus I did not think I got 3 percent more spin stiff like kevlar and no feel.

LeeD · Nov 16, 2012

250 wet on a 4 stroke should equal around 232 dry weight, not all that bad.
Seems riding in Italy, you might go for a ISDT type bike, instead of a superbike motocrosser.
So Cal. Does IndianDunes still exist? I think they closed Saddleback. I rode the CarlsbadGP course on a Sat of one of the big TransAms. Track was groomed though, so really different than what they raced on.
Surprised you don't like sand. Big jumps and endless feetup full powered broadslides.

FastFreddy · Nov 17, 2012

dirt

LeeD said:
250 wet on a 4 stroke should equal around 232 dry weight, not all that bad.
Seems riding in Italy, you might go for a ISDT type bike, instead of a superbike motocrosser.
So Cal. Does IndianDunes still exist? I think they closed Saddleback. I rode the CarlsbadGP course on a Sat of one of the big TransAms. Track was groomed though, so really different than what they raced on.
Surprised you don't like sand. Big jumps and endless feetup full powered broadslides.

So for just so more money I can buy thr 500af instead of a 450 and get the sound, handling and power. Twenty pounds lighter and have 16 more hp sounds like the way to go. I have not rode any bikes since moving to socal so I don't know of any tracks. I did look up Socal have 36 tracks and Nocal has 29 tracks. I have 2 that r close to me.

Sand eats motorcycles...sand finds its way into EVERY part of the bike....airbox.....sealed bearings.... the engine.......this is why they are not called sand bikes.

LeeD · Nov 17, 2012

Personally, I hate riding on dusty tracks. That get's into everything.
Sand, real beach sand, you only clean the chain and sprockets, air cleaner, and hose off the bike.
I very much doubt they have that many tracks in NorCal.....or SoCal nowadaze. For sure, they closed off at least 10 tracks in the year's '83-90 up here. And no new ones opened.

FastFreddy · Nov 18, 2012

dirt vs sand

LeeD said:
Personally, I hate riding on dusty tracks. That get's into everything.
Sand, real beach sand, you only clean the chain and sprockets, air cleaner, and hose off the bike.
I very much doubt they have that many tracks in NorCal.....or SoCal nowadaze. For sure, they closed off at least 10 tracks in the year's '83-90 up here. And no new ones opened.

Yeah, the list I was looking at listed tracks that r closed on that list. Not sure how many of those listed tracks r closed since I only clicked on a few. I saw that carlsbad was closed since 2004. so is beach sand better than desert sand? I heard their is a different style to riding in sand compared to dirt and mud. I don't want to deal with cactus and snakes.If u ride beach don't u have to deal with the salt air and water which will rust anything.

Maui19 · Nov 18, 2012

Get a room you two.

FastFreddy · Nov 18, 2012

dirt bikes

Maui19 said:
Get a room you two.

Just love talking dirt bikes!!

LeeD · Nov 18, 2012

Generally, you clean your bike after every couple of rides, so you can work on it. So beach riding doesn't hurt the bike from rust at all. Chain and sprockets do need cleaning if you're not riding every day. Air cleaners are no problem, unless you dump it in the sand.
Nothing like feetup, full powered, 45 mph broadslides on low tide beaches.
I know they closed the SanBernadinoMountains to all dirt riding, so that's a huge takeaway.
I saw civilization taking over around 1982, so I gave up MX for windsurfing, which still provides most of the thrills without the penalty of the spills. I have countless windsurfing boards, sails, and rigs. Most years, I windsurf over 150 days, and I've been to Baja, Texas, Oregon, and Hawaii lotsa times.

FastFreddy · Nov 19, 2012

bikes

LeeD said:
Generally, you clean your bike after every couple of rides, so you can work on it. So beach riding doesn't hurt the bike from rust at all. Chain and sprockets do need cleaning if you're not riding every day. Air cleaners are no problem, unless you dump it in the sand.
Nothing like feetup, full powered, 45 mph broadslides on low tide beaches.
I know they closed the SanBernadinoMountains to all dirt riding, so that's a huge takeaway.
I saw civilization taking over around 1982, so I gave up MX for windsurfing, which still provides most of the thrills without the penalty of the spills. I have countless windsurfing boards, sails, and rigs. Most years, I windsurf over 150 days, and I've been to Baja, Texas, Oregon, and Hawaii lotsa times.

I hear ya, I found a used 2001 service honda 500af for 5k with a custom motor putting out 94hp omg!!

FastFreddy · Dec 5, 2012

Watching?

LeeD said:
Generally, you clean your bike after every couple of rides, so you can work on it. So beach riding doesn't hurt the bike from rust at all. Chain and sprockets do need cleaning if you're not riding every day. Air cleaners are no problem, unless you dump it in the sand.
Nothing like feetup, full powered, 45 mph broadslides on low tide beaches.
I know they closed the SanBernadinoMountains to all dirt riding, so that's a huge takeaway.
I saw civilization taking over around 1982, so I gave up MX for windsurfing, which still provides most of the thrills without the penalty of the spills. I have countless windsurfing boards, sails, and rigs. Most years, I windsurf over 150 days, and I've been to Baja, Texas, Oregon, and Hawaii lotsa times.

AMA in SD this weekend Iam going to watch in person are you going to watch on tv?

I narrowed it down to 2 bikes. Service Honda 500AF 2013 with head porting, rad valve, Magura hydraulic clutch system, gearing 13x53 so I can use 4th and 5th gear, Revalve front and rear with new springs, pistons, valving and oil tailored to my weight, ability, and riding conditions.The Honda would cost 14k plus tax and 500 shipping!!

Service Honda Monster KX500AF with port, rad valve, Revalve front and rear with new springs, pistons, valving and oil tailored to your weight, ability, my riding conditions stock14x47 gearing. This bike is 15k plus tax and shipping. I could just buy a 2013 KX450F for 8500.00 and go to the dark side and not mix gas.

Every ridden at Glen Helen? I drove by and the track and it looked pretty cool. They have a MTA 2 stroke World Championships race on April 1st 2013. I was thinking of racing in the open Nov class.

LeeD · Dec 5, 2012

Unfortunately, most of my MX racing was District36, NorCal. Raced every track up here multiple times except for HelvitiaPark in Sacto, which closed after my first race at Carnagie. GlenHelen was supposed to be woody for SoCal, twisty and sandy.
You should race Open class. It's usually the safest, the least crashes and bar banging, and the most fun because you don't do the above.
125's are fast small kids.
250's are the craziest fast young guys.
Open is controlled mayhem, not just mayhem and adrenalin mixed with stupidity.
And Vet races seldom produce spectacular crashes.

FastFreddy · Dec 5, 2012

vets

LeeD said:
Unfortunately, most of my MX racing was District36, NorCal. Raced every track up here multiple times except for HelvitiaPark in Sacto, which closed after my first race at Carnagie. GlenHelen was supposed to be woody for SoCal, twisty and sandy.
You should race Open class. It's usually the safest, the least crashes and bar banging, and the most fun because you don't do the above.
125's are fast small kids.
250's are the craziest fast young guys.
Open is controlled mayhem, not just mayhem and adrenalin mixed with stupidity.
And Vet races seldom produce spectacular crashes.

So vet racing is age groups? Can u ride any bike in vets like open class?

LeeD · Dec 5, 2012

Vet is over 30, any size bike. Opens start the best. 250's usually competitive. 125's the most fun, because you start bad, but ride the quickest lap times. I mostly rode 250's, made it thru VetIntermediate to Expert my first 10 races, but didn't make regular 125 Expert until after 300 races. Lucky for me, it took only about 40 Open races to make Expert, and after that, nobody enforced it for different sized bikes, so I just transferred to 125 and 250.
Vet is safe racing, OldTimers safer, at 55.

FastFreddy · Dec 5, 2012

LeeD said:
Vet is over 30, any size bike. Opens start the best. 250's usually competitive. 125's the most fun, because you start bad, but ride the quickest lap times. I mostly rode 250's, made it thru VetIntermediate to Expert my first 10 races, but didn't make regular 125 Expert until after 300 races. Lucky for me, it took only about 40 Open races to make Expert, and after that, nobody enforced it for different sized bikes, so I just transferred to 125 and 250.
Vet is safe racing, OldTimers safer, at 55.

I did not see Vet racing there but they offer age groups like 30, 40, 50. Plus open Nov, Int and Ex

FastFreddy · Dec 12, 2012

what's up

LeeD said:
Vet is over 30, any size bike. Opens start the best. 250's usually competitive. 125's the most fun, because you start bad, but ride the quickest lap times. I mostly rode 250's, made it thru VetIntermediate to Expert my first 10 races, but didn't make regular 125 Expert until after 300 races. Lucky for me, it took only about 40 Open races to make Expert, and after that, nobody enforced it for different sized bikes, so I just transferred to 125 and 250.
Vet is safe racing, OldTimers safer, at 55.

Lee I got to talk to Broc Glover and he said I should take a test ride on a 2013 KX450F before buying the KX500AF since I never rode a 4 stroke. I will test ride the new 450f but I kinda have my heart set on a torque monster. 57hp @ 11500rpm vs 70hp @6000rpm plus 18 pounds lighter. I just love the smell and sound of a 2 stroke.

LeeD · Dec 12, 2012

KX ???
Does a confirmed Yamaha rider now work for Kawasaki?
MX has switched to 4 strokes for tractibility, comfort, torque, low end, easy good starts, and mild strong power with less shifting and clutch work.
2 strokes are more touchy, quicker revving, less inertia to slow down, and lighter in weight ....barely.
To me, a small weak guy, an Open class fourstroke would have more than enough power, easier to ride fast, slow down, and only suffer in slow tight turns.
I always thought a CR-500 had too MUCH power, and I never lost a holeshot to CR-500's of Paul and Dave Bostrom (top VetPro riders in my day) using my KX-420's or RM-500's.

FastFreddy · Dec 12, 2012

broc

LeeD said:
KX ???
Does a confirmed Yamaha rider now work for Kawasaki?
MX has switched to 4 strokes for tractibility, comfort, torque, low end, easy good starts, and mild strong power with less shifting and clutch work.
2 strokes are more touchy, quicker revving, less inertia to slow down, and lighter in weight ....barely.
To me, a small weak guy, an Open class fourstroke would have more than enough power, easier to ride fast, slow down, and only suffer in slow tight turns.
I always thought a CR-500 had too MUCH power, and I never lost a holeshot to CR-500's of Paul and Dave Bostrom (top VetPro riders in my day) using my KX-420's or RM-500's.

Nah he did not push any brand of bike only a shop in riverside a sponser. I asked him should I buy a KX500AF from Service Honda or a 2013 KX450F. He has not ridden the KX500AF but told me a 2 stroke rider only to test ride a 4 stroke. I forgot he raced the 500 clas and wished he rode it so he could compare to to the 500 bikes from the 80's and 90's. Last 500 was the 2004 kx500 I think cr was 2001.

I heard the 4 stroke 450 lacks torque compared to a 500 70 hp motor or a 250 2 stroke. The new KTM 450 puts out 60hp @11500rpm compared to 70hp @6000 and you get the max torque at the bottom end. I look at this way, it's like comparing a high reving turbo 4 banger to a chevy big block. The ktm 350 screams at 13500 talk about loud! I based my choice on numbers 70hp@6000rpm at 230lbs wet vs 60hp@11500rpm at 248 pounds. So 18 pounds less and 10 more hps and more torque sonner at a lower rpm. Plus the smell and sound of a 2 stroke can't be beat. I still will test ride a 2013 kx450f to hear a 4 stroke in person and check out the ride. Iam sure any new bike would kill my 85 cr500, 84 rm250, 83yz125 or 82 kx125.

LeeD · Dec 12, 2012

I thought KX's were Kawasaki's.
CR's are Hondas.
RM's for Suzuki
YZ's for Yamaha
I had the '83RM-250 watercooler, too pipey and lacked low end.

FastFreddy · Dec 12, 2012

names

LeeD said:
I thought KX's were Kawasaki's.
CR's are Hondas.
RM's for Suzuki
YZ's for Yamaha
I had the '83RM-250 watercooler, too pipey and lacked low end.

Service Honda is the aftermarket company that started back in 1997 putting honda 500 motors in 250f al frames. In 2009 they are started doing kx 500 motors in the 250f frames too. Honda will not let them call the 500 a cr so it's a 500AF. They also do a Yamaha yz 300 which is a stroked out 2 stroke motor it's 285cc not sure why they call it 300? Can't wait for Feb when I get back my tax money so I can buy my 2012 Service Honda KX500AF with ported head, and Boysen rad valve for 14k.

LeeD · Dec 12, 2012

I'd think Kawasaki would and have the right to complain about the KX designation.

FastFreddy · Dec 13, 2012

bikes

LeeD said:
I'd think Kawasaki would and have the right to complain about the KX designation.

Kaw is cool with them using it so are Yamaha using YZ on their 300 model. For some reason Honda does not want them to use the CR on their 500 oh well.

pvaudio · Dec 14, 2012

You know you could always...discuss this elsewhere?

Cindysphinx · Dec 14, 2012

Too late. The thread has been destroyed.

maggmaster · Dec 15, 2012

seriously there was some valuable info exchanged in the beginning and then this crap. Do the mods here delete off topic exchanges?

FastFreddy · Dec 18, 2012

2013 KX 500AF, ported head, Boysen rad valve and custom suspension maybe 3 gallon tank. Shoulder healing fast, first time I have done free weight bench press in 20 years. I lifted 235 for 15 reps. Soon I will be back to 285 for 15 reps. Love to reach 305 for 15 reps.

maverick66 · Dec 18, 2012

maggmaster said:
seriously there was some valuable info exchanged in the beginning and then this crap. Do the mods here delete off topic exchanges?

report it and they will come along and clean it up. Sucks for them as it takes time to zap off topic but they are pretty nice about it if the thread gets taken over by offtopic stuff.

FastFreddy · Dec 19, 2012

Justin T called

maggmaster said:
seriously there was some valuable info exchanged in the beginning and then this crap. Do the mods here delete off topic exchanges?

Cry me a river.

FastFreddy · Dec 19, 2012

Austin

pvaudio said:
You know you could always...discuss this elsewhere?

Got a issue here's a tissue.

FastFreddy · Dec 19, 2012

yes

Cindysphinx said:
Too late. The thread has been destroyed.

u r so correct

r2473 · Dec 19, 2012

FastFreddy said:
Got a issue here's a tissue.

You're such a meanie bobini

FastFreddy · Dec 19, 2012

hockey

maverick66 said:
report it and they will come along and clean it up. Sucks for them as it takes time to zap off topic but they are pretty nice about it if the thread gets taken over by offtopic stuff.

Really the winner of the tennis hockey talk? You r also hockey god? If anyone here is a hockey GOD it would be me since I played JR A hockey.

r2473 · Dec 19, 2012

FastFreddy said:
Really the winner of the tennis hockey talk? You r also hockey god? If anyone here is a hockey GOD it would be me since I played JR A hockey.

Holy ****!!!!

I had no idea who we were dealing with.

Dedans Penthouse · Dec 19, 2012

FastFreddy said:
Really the winner of the tennis hockey talk? You r also hockey god?

If anyone here is a hockey GOD it would be me since I played JR A hockey.

two minutes ..... delay of game ......

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