Djokovic has a pretty cake draw...

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seriously nobody tough in his draw.
Best players at the moment are djokovic, murray, federer, delpotro
3 of them are in the bottom half, djokovic alone at the top. He would have won regardless but it will be an easy major for him this year.
 
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the only arguably good guy in his draw is berdbich who is unfortunately is a good match up for djoker and his what ever you may call it ! So djoker is guaranteed for the final and if it is unfortunately fed in the final , his title is guaranteed as murray will atleast have a chance against this grinder
 
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His path to the final is easy no doubt, compared to Fed and Murray. But hey when was the last time he failed to make a final of a hard court slam? Regardless he is favorite against anyone on hard court so even with a tough draw he will likely overcome it
 
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the thing is if federer had ferrer this thread would be renamed Federer has a pretty cake draw...
 
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axel89 said:
the thing is if federer had ferrer this thread would be renamed Federer has a pretty cake draw...
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There goes to the "tough era" assesment when 1-player-swing can completely change the difficulty of the draw.

You can thank Nadal for destroying the symmetry of the tour.
 
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Even though I don't like Djoker, he is seeded #1. He is supposed to have the easiest draw. That is one of the reasons why you strive for #1.
 
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Djokovic has already played against descent opponents in Harriosn & Stepanek. Wawrinka shouldn't be a problem but is a good player.

You want to talk about joke draws, look at Murray. Plays a qualifier in round three... REALLY!?
 
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That was obvious as soon as the draw came out.

His draw was cake at the USO as well. He got Ferrer...


coloskier said:
Even though I don't like Djoker, he is seeded #1. He is supposed to have the easiest draw. That is one of the reasons why you strive for #1.
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Federer was seeded #1 at the USO but it was Djokovic who got the easy draw with Ferrer...

Looks like Djokovic is supposed to get the cake draw regardless if he is #1 or 2....
 
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axel89

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Fiji said:
That was obvious as soon as the draw came out.

His draw was cake at the USO as well. He got Ferrer...




Federer was seeded #1 at the USO but it was Djokovic who got the easy draw with Ferrer...

Looks like Djokovic is supposed to get the cake draw regardless if he is #1 or 2....
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again stop complaining if federer had had ferrer it would be the opposite
 
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coloskier said:
Even though I don't like Djoker, he is seeded #1. He is supposed to have the easiest draw. That is one of the reasons why you strive for #1.
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Respectfully disagree. Draws are supposed to be symmetric.

Did any of you watch last night's match? Stepanek was pretty good; if Djokovic had been at all off his game it could have ended quite differently.

And Stan and Berdych earned their seedings. Won't be Djokovic's fault if both decide to play a losing strategy and/or fold up under the pressure. Berdych could get hot and do the same thing to Djokovic that he did to Fed at W and the USO.
 
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Berdych is the toughest quarterfinal matchup in this draw, followed by Delpo. No one is gonna beat the top 3 before the quarters, so draw does not matter till then.
 
stringertom

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A seeding sequence of 31, 15, 5 & 4 is not cake in and of itself...Djok may make it seem like cake bcoz he has very favorable h2h vs almost everyone on tour and this is a surface and venue he prefers.

Hopefully, Wawrinka didn't peak one round too early...play like his form from last night and he has a better chance than normal vs Djok. Still, the #1 should prevail in 3 or 4 good sets.
 
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The thing Wawa needs to do is S@V like Steps. Steps was throwing Djokovic off, and overall played very well.
 
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Tammo said:
The thing Wawa needs to do is S@V like Steps. Steps was throwing Djokovic off, and overall played very well.
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Wish there were more S/Vers to challenge him...Wawa probably not the best candidate as his service motion doesn't naturally "throw" him into the court for that all-important first stride towards the net.
 
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I'm not sure what would count as a tough draw for a world #1 at the peak of his powers? In order to get to #1 you have to beat everyone consistently on the big stages, which makes beating everyone consistently on the big stages look easier than it probably is.
 
veroniquem

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Fed has a pretty cake draw too. He has an inexperienced youngster followed by Kohl who's gonna hand him the match nicely (after needing a tough 5 setter to beat Raonic) followed by probably Gasquet who's gonna crumble mentally (on cue). How is that hard?? Wawa is ranked higher than Kohl, there is not much difference in level between the 2. Berd is considerably more dangerous than Gasquet (gasp, or even Tsonga who is ranked below Berd and seems less sharp than Berd by far judging from the early rounds). The only difficulty Fed has is Murray but Murray is gonna be massively worn out by the obligatory marathon clash with Delpo (and that's if he survives it at all). Ferrer may be ranked 1 spot lower than Murray but he actually had a higher winning % in 2012 than Murray and he wears you down on every point no matter what. I say: Fed has nothing to complain about. Ferrer has it much tougher with in form Nishi and Almagro to go through before even getting to Djoko.
 
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veroniquem said:
Fed has a pretty cake draw too. He has an inexperienced youngster followed by Kohl who's gonna hand him the match nicely (after needing a tough 5 setter to beat Raonic) followed by probably Gasquet who's gonna crumble mentally (on cue). How is that hard?? Wawa is ranked higher than Kohl, there is not much difference in level between the 2. Berd is considerably more dangerous than Gasquet (gasp, or even Tsonga who is ranked below Berd and seems less sharp than Berd by far judging from the early rounds). The only difficulty Fed has is Murray but Murray is gonna be massively worn out by the obligatory marathon clash with Delpo (and that's if he survives it at all). Ferrer may be ranked 1 spot lower than Murray but he actually had a higher winning % in 2012 than Murray and he wears you down on every point no matter what. I say: Fed has nothing to complain about. Ferrer has it much tougher with in form Nishi and Almagro to go through before even getting to Djoko.
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You are the most hypocrite I have seen in this forum. Seriously, one one hand you would say that ONLY Murray has some chances of beating Djokovic, if Murray doesn't reach the final then it will be totally one sided and all. Now you compare the success percentage of Ferrer and Murray and imply that there is not much of a difference between them for the other probable SF players, Roger and Djokovic. I even wonder whether your account is handled by two persons :wink:

You say that Tomic is the exciting personality, he is the one to look forward and all blah blah blah and now he became an inexperienced youngster for Federer lol

Regarding Tsonga and Berdych, do you know that Tsonga has blown Nadal, Murray and Djokovic off the court in the same plexicushion surface on which they are playing AO 2013?

If you think Davydenko - Tomic - Raonic - Tsonga - Murray line up is not tough, there is nothing to argue about. Carry on with your trolling :)
 
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veroniquem said:
Ferrer may be ranked 1 spot lower than Murray but he actually had a higher winning % in 2012 than Murray and he wears you down on every point no matter what. I say: Fed has nothing to complain about. Ferrer has it much tougher with in form Nishi and Almagro to go through before even getting to Djoko.
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Murray is a slam winner, 8 time masters series winner, Olympic gold winner(by beating Djokovic and Federer back to back) who just beat Djokovic at the USO. He also took him to 5 at the AO in 2012. The last two times they met at the slams, it was long, drenching 5 setters....

Can't compare him with Ferrer who has never been close to beating Djokovic at a slam. He can only dream of taking Djokovic to 5 at a slam. :oops:

There is no comparison. There is a reason why they call Ferrer a vulture in another forum. Murray is a future multiple slam winner and #1. Ferrer is just a vulture. He needed to avoid all the top players and play a challenger player in the final of Bercy to win his sole masters series. :lol:
 
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Feather said:
You are the most hypocrite I have seen in this forum. Seriously, one one hand you would say that ONLY Murray has some chances of beating Djokovic, if Murray doesn't reach the final then it will be totally one sided and all. Now you compare the success percentage of Ferrer and Murray and imply that there is not much of a difference between them for the other probable SF players, Roger and Djokovic. I even wonder whether your account is handled by two persons :wink:

You say that Tomic is the exciting personality, he is the one to look forward and all blah blah blah and now he became an inexperienced youngster for Federer lol

Regarding Tsonga and Berdych, do you know that Tsonga has blown Nadal, Murray and Djokovic off the court in the same plexicushion surface on which they are playing AO 2013?

If you think Davydenko - Tomic - Raonic - Tsonga - Murray line up is not tough, there is nothing to argue about. Carry on with your trolling :)
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You're just now figuring that out, Feather? Lol. Vero is full of double standards and hypocrisy. I usually either skim her posts or point and laugh at them. She knows Fed's draw is tougher, but since she hates him with a passion, she will defend her silly point until the cows come home.
 
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What's the realistic line-up (meaning the seeding would logically allow for it) that people think would have been fairer for both the #1 and #2 seed?
 
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Djokovic is relieved to avoid Murray until the final. Otherwise he would play the third 5 setter in a row against the Brit. Now he gets the vulture.
 
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Line 'em up and let's compare the two without the fanboy sniping.

Barring any upsets:

Who's in front of Federer: _____ _____ _____ _____

Who's in front of Djokovic: _____ _____ _____ _____
 
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Dedans Penthouse said:
Line 'em up and let's compare the two without the fanboy sniping.

Barring any upsets:

Who's in front of Federer: _____ _____ _____ _____

Who's in front of Djokovic: _____ _____ _____ _____
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Federer has Raonic who is hot and dangerous with a huge serve and forehand. Murray is always tricky for Fed not sure why as he has no weapons. Djokovic has a load of losers and chokers ahead of him. That explains this thread.
 
veroniquem

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Feather said:
If you think Davydenko - Tomic - Raonic - Tsonga - Murray line up is not tough, there is nothing to argue about. Carry on with your trolling :)
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I don't believe it will be Raonic. I think Kohl will make it through. Kohl is not a tougher opponent than Wawa. Raonic is ranked 15 anyway, Wawa 17. The difference is not huge . Tsonga had a stunning run in 2008, yeah, that's 5 years ago. What has he done recently? And I also believe Gasquet has an excellent chance of beating him. Berd is ranked higher than either of those guys: FACT. As for Tomic, he's like Harrison, a young hopeful. He has great potential but is still ranked lower than Stepanek and still has everything to prove.
Yes, Fed has Murray. Djoko had him last year and no one was whining so much about it. Fed got lucky with the quarter this time (Berd and Delpo are by far the toughest quarter opponents and on form as well). Djoko got lucky with the semi. Fair enough.
 
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veroniquem said:
Yes, Fed has Murray. Djoko had him last year and no one was whining so much about it.
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Federer had Nadal last year in the AO SF which is even worse for him.

Last year the SF were even.

With Nadal's sabbatical, Djokovic has been getting the easier SF at the slams.

Too bad Del Potro is not the #4 seed then both SF would be competitive. Instead it's waste of space Ferrer in the SF. One of the top 2 gets a non competitive SF.
 
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veroniquem

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Fiji said:
Federer had Nadal last year in the AO SF which is even worse for him.
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Some draws are better than others. Djoko had the worse draw at WTF. He still didn't lose a match. Maybe there's a reason why he's #1 (other than draws).
 
veroniquem

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To Fiji: Don't think so. I think Fed was extremely lucky Nadal, Djoko and Murray were not the same age as he is. It's not even clear if he would have made it to #1 if that had been the case.
 
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Hood_Man said:
I'm not sure what would count as a tough draw for a world #1 at the peak of his powers? In order to get to #1 you have to beat everyone consistently on the big stages, which makes beating everyone consistently on the big stages look easier than it probably is.
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Was losing to Nadal at Roland Garros (in 4 sets), losing to Federer at Wimbledon (in 4 sets), and losing to Murray at US Open (6-2 in 5th) the peak of Djokovic's powers? If he doesn't win this Australian Open, I doubt he'll ever win a slam again. Murray has obviously turned the corner. Nadal is back in a couple of weeks, and Federer is still there.
 
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Prisoner of Birth said:
The WTF draw is debatable. Would you rather face Murray in the round-robins or in the Semifinal? Yeah, that's what I thought.
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In the SF of course. Better have some warm-up matches beforehand. Fed didn't get the better draw at WTF? With Tipsy in his group? And I'm the one who's accused of hypocrisy, very funny...
 
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RAFA2005RG said:
Was losing to Nadal at Roland Garros (in 4 sets), losing to Federer at Wimbledon (in 4 sets), and losing to Murray at US Open (6-2 in 5th) the peak of Djokovic's powers?
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Not losing to Rosol at Wimbledon, not losing to Berdych at the US Open, and not losing to Federer at the WTF makes it still the prime of Djokovic's powers.
 
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veroniquem said:
In the SF of course. Better have some warm-up matches beforehand. Fed didn't get the better draw at WTF? With Tipsy in his group? And I'm the one who's accused of hypocrisy, very funny...
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I said it's debatable. Do you not know what the word means? Federer had the easier draw to make it to the Semifinal. Djokovic had (arguably) the easier draw to win the title.

And if you'd rather face Murray in the semifinal than in the roundrobins, you're not the sharpest tool in the shed.
 
veroniquem

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Prisoner of Birth said:
Like he did this year, at 31? .
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That is exactly my point. Fed established his domination before Nadal, Djoko and Murray broke through. He was very dominant and had tons of confidence (from beating up on Roddick, Hewitt and co). If instead of those guys, his contemporaries had been Murray, Djoko and Nadal, you think he would have established such a crushing domination in the first place? I doubt it.
 
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Prisoner of Birth said:
Not losing to Rosol at Wimbledon, not losing to Berdych at the US Open, and not losing to Federer at the WTF makes it still the prime of Djokovic's powers.
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Wow, Nadal has really got to you. He doesn't even have to play and already he's on your mind. When Nadal is 90 years old, and you are beyond the grave, somehow you will still be thinking about Rosol's win over Nadal.
 
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RAFA2005RG said:
Wow, Nadal has really got to you. He doesn't even have to play and already he's on your mind. When Nadal is 90 years old, and you are beyond the grave, somehow you will still be thinking about Rosol's win over Nadal.
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Nadal happens to be my second favorite player. So, of course, he is on my mind, especially when I'm posting on a Tennis forum.
 
veroniquem

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Prisoner of Birth said:
I said it's debatable. Do you not know what the word means? Federer had the easier draw to make it to the Semifinal. Djokovic had (arguably) the easier draw to win the title.

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First of all, Delpo had better indoor results than Murray (won Basel and Vienna), so it's highly debatable whether at WTF, Murray was a tougher opponent than Delpo (on form). That theory is pretty much invalidated by the fact Fed lost his match vs Delpo (second match he lost to him indoor over a short time) but not vs Murray. Djoko won his matches vs both Murray and Delpo, and there is no indication it would have mattered 1 bit in what order he played them. If Fed can beat opponents only in a certain order, he has a problem for sure. Djoko, on top of having the tougher RR group, had to beat the 6 time champion and title holder to win the title. The most dominant player EVER at WTF. So there is no doubt he did it the hardest possible way. And he did it with panache without losing a match and without losing a set in the final. Class.
 
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