GRANITECHIEF
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If someone walks through my court during play, they become a nice target.
Why not just walk outside / around the court? Why cut across?
I realize in some places there isn't that option, but when there is, why would you interrupt someone just to save yourself a few steps / seconds?
IMO its pretty easy to tell when people are practicing/rallying versus playing out a point during a organized match. You could wait unti play stops and then speak out.
-calling balls "out" long before they hit the ground
Without an umpire when a ball rolls onto the court, immediately call a let and then pick up the ball after the call not before.When a ball from another court rolls onto my court, and my partner has to stop to pick it up in front of them, they end up missing the ball in play...and the opponents refuse the let, and demand the point.
When a ball from another court rolls onto my court, and my partner has to stop to pick it up in front of them, they end up missing the ball in play...and the opponents refuse the let, and demand the point.
One of my pet peeves: How about when your opponent changes the score rack when it's not a change over? (only when he wins the game of course). Bad form.
I can live with most anything but this one:
-during warmups, they insist on returning your practice serves and proceed to spray them all over the court.
I believe this "technique" is in the Brad Gilbert book.
I counteract it by just warming up my serve and never letting them hit any serves. I serve, they hit it back. I pickup balls and serve again. If they hit them back again, I move to the ad side and continue to warm up over there.
Usually they get the message.
We need to narrow this one down a bit. I had a guy get ****ed off at me last week because I did exactly what you posted. The only problem was that I was a step inside the baseline and his shot flew by me at eye level, to the point it hit the bottom edge of the back fence on the fly. Unless he expected it to hit an invisible wall, I could have called it out once it crossed the net it was so long.
And don't complain about 3.5/4.0 straying.
Find a 5.0 next court, offer them $20-40 to hit where you want.
I can tell you if I hit a ball that long and you actually verbally called it out, I'd be a little bit annoyed too.
Ok, I'll bite. First off, each of the things the OP listed, I have personally experienced in opponents. More, from some recent matches:
-- Guy that hits first serve into the net. Ball is laying there, less than six inches from the net. Walks in slowly to pick it up. Then shambles back to serve his second serve.
-- Same guy also leaps in the air calling ball "out!" before it hits the ground.
-- Another guy, 3.5 G.O.A.T. fake medical appeal down from 4.0, runs around like a maniac, tracks every ball down. But has to sit for 5 minutes at every changeover.
-- Back to the 'another guy' ... has a knack of calling close balls out after long rallies ... saves this for important points, and calls them out on a dead run looking back over his shoulder.
Basically, my point is these habits seemed to clump together in the same person. They reduce the enjoyment of the game whether inadvertent or 'winning ugly' habits.
Which perfectly illustrates my point, because I've had older guys tell me, in dead seriousness, that I need to call each ball, including the one I described, out. Nor was the player's beef that I called it out in the first place; instead, he was peeved because it was an "early" line call.
...I am the opposite of you when a ball gets served into the net. I make them go pick it up because it can be considered a distraction according to USTA rules. It also makes them uncomfortable when they have to reset for a 2nd serve, and it is within the rules.
Agree with some, not with others. I am the opposite of you when a ball gets served into the net. I make them go pick it up because it can be considered a distraction according to USTA rules. It also makes them uncomfortable when they have to reset for a 2nd serve, and it is within the rules. "Hooking" when the ball is close to the lines is an extremely common occurrence, especially in USTA leagues, tournaments, and NCAA matches. After the 2nd or 3rd one, If there are no referees available, I wait until they are serving, and when the ball lands in the middle of the service box, I call it out, and say to him "If you want to keep making bad line calls, that is fine with me, because the next time I will take a game from you." Works every time. They either stop hooking, or get so mad that they implode and lose every game from then on.
I can't imagine anyone doing this. I would walk off the court.
A win's a win.
Clearly. Discussing no other option and a practice rally. Waiting to it's completion is more than enough.I just never cut through an occupied court if there is another option.
Do they teach a class on tennis etiquette? I'd hate to think I might be risking someone attacking me because I am doing something that isn't to their liking.
Yes, I am kidding.
I play lots of organized league matches and I see the following things happen over and over and it makes me crazy sometimes. I have only been playing organized league tennis a few years and quickly caught on to the proper tennis ettiquette, but there are still so many that continue to do these things and I'm not sure why.....
-during warmups, they hit full pace, hard shots
-during warmup, they don't attempt to hit the ball easily back to you
-during warmups, they hit drop shots and short slices
-during warmups, they insist on returning your practice serves and proceed to spray them all over the court.
-during warmups, hitting ridiculously high practice lobs for your overhead practice
-calling balls "out" long before they hit the ground
-saying some expletive after they hit a poor lob and you are about to crush it (speaking while you are about to hit)
-hitting hard returns on obviously "out" serves (practicing returns)
-purposely picking up balls after your first missed serve, that were not in the way (gamesmanship)
The list goes on, but I think these are the most common. I am not sure why it's so difficult to do these things and it just makes the experience so much nicer.
we played a match Tuesday. Leading 5-0.
Server's second serve at set point. I was at the server box line (wasn't receiving) and saw it clearly a couple inches out and called it out (if I'm in doubt I'll rule in the opponent's favor).
Server got mad and said "you're up 5-0 and you called that out?"
----------------------------------------------we played a match Tuesday. Leading 5-0.
Server's second serve at set point. I was at the server box line (wasn't receiving) and saw it clearly a couple inches out and called it out (if I'm in doubt I'll rule in the opponent's favor).
Server got mad and said "you're up 5-0 and you called that out?"
However, the problem with the 100% pace thing is that pace is all relative. For me, I often hit harder than my opponents on a consistent basis (and I'm at my level because I'm inconsistent), including during the warmups. It's not that I'm even trying to hit hard - my warm up strokes are just harder than my opponent's strokes. However, I do get looks from my opponents because they think I'm trying to out-hit them, but I'm not. It's all about perspective.
"warm ups" are a horrible name, 5 min of light hitting is not enough warm up for a competitive match. don't pretend like it is. its a chance to get a feel for your opponent before match. your gonna see lots of hard shots and drop shots and high lobs during a match.
I warm up to get loose so I can play my game. If in the warm up I can discern more than whether your back hand or forehand is your stronger wing, you're giving too much up, at least if we're talking competitive. In college I'm not even hitting out 100% on serves. Might give him 90 after I'm loose once but he's not seeing how I play in warm ups or how I pick shots ( ie lobs drops etc). You said yourself its a chance to figure out your opponent, so why let them? Warm up is a perfect name for it, sounds like what you want is a pre match
Unfortunate way to drop a match, but if it was out it was out. You were right there and had no doubt. There shouldn't be any calls based on compassion.
funny stuff.
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Out is out. seriously getting the ball in the service box isn't tough
how about "you are losing 0-5 and you can't get a second serve in....are you even trying?"
i actually get mad when someone is losing and keeps hitting the same bad shots and throws it, especially serves. get the serve in, losing by double is not better than losing bc opponent hits a winner.
After the 2nd or 3rd one, If there are no referees available, I wait until they are serving, and when the ball lands in the middle of the service box, I call it out, and say to him "If you want to keep making bad line calls, that is fine with me, because the next time I will take a game from you."
I play lots of organized league matches and I see the following things happen over and over and it makes me crazy sometimes. I have only been playing organized league tennis a few years and quickly caught on to the proper tennis ettiquette, but there are still so many that continue to do these things and I'm not sure why.....
-during warmups, they hit full pace, hard shots
-during warmup, they don't attempt to hit the ball easily back to you
-during warmups, they hit drop shots and short slices
-during warmups, they insist on returning your practice serves and proceed to spray them all over the court.
-during warmups, hitting ridiculously high practice lobs for your overhead practice
-calling balls "out" long before they hit the ground
-saying some expletive after they hit a poor lob and you are about to crush it (speaking while you are about to hit)
-hitting hard returns on obviously "out" serves (practicing returns)
-purposely picking up balls after your first missed serve, that were not in the way (gamesmanship)
The list goes on, but I think these are the most common. I am not sure why it's so difficult to do these things and it just makes the experience so much nicer.
Well there is no rule against celebrating points (within the time constraints) but obviously it must be a point and it is hindrance if you celebrate when the ball is still in play. But what I do not get is why he celebrate it even when the ball is still in play.He told me if another team complains about it he "will go toe to toe with them and will not stop celebrating points". I tried to explain that it wasn't about being rude, it was a rule he was breaking and distracting his opponents. He just said he didn't care.
This isn't about etiquette it's about rule but it ended up combining both. Tonight I was playing a mixed doubles ladder match the male on the team is only in his second year of tennis. He was a very enthusiastic and vocal player and that was fine but frequently would yell out "Great shot", "Good Placement", "Awesome Shot" to his partner, who had hit the ball, just as I was taking a backswing to hit it. I didn't miss my shot but it was distracting. Sometimes he'd start celebrating what he thought was a winner while we still had a play on it too.
After about the 4th time I thought I'd let him know that what he was doing was a hindrance and although I don't normally call people on them, other teams will and he probably should try to curtail it. He told me if another team complains about it he "will go toe to toe with them and will not stop celebrating points". I tried to explain that it wasn't about being rude, it was a rule he was breaking and distracting his opponents. He just said he didn't care.
I was surprised because his partner has been playing for years and I thought would have clued him in. What really surprised me though was his attitude that the rules didn't really matter. Do you run across many who feel this way? How do you play a match with someone like that?
Now that I've warned him about it I will do that next time if we play. I did tell him to celebrate to his hearts content after the point, but not during. Like I said i was surprised when he told me he has no intention of stopping and will have it out with whomever calls it on him. I'm really not interested in getting in to a scene on the court.
... He told me if another team complains about it he "will go toe to toe with them and will not stop celebrating points". I tried to explain that it wasn't about being rude, it was a rule he was breaking and distracting his opponents. He just said he didn't care.
.... What really surprised me though was his attitude that the rules didn't really matter.
I warm up to get loose so I can play my game. If in the warm up I can discern more than whether your back hand or forehand is your stronger wing, you're giving too much up, at least if we're talking competitive. In college I'm not even hitting out 100% on serves. Might give him 90 after I'm loose once but he's not seeing how I play in warm ups or how I pick shots ( ie lobs drops etc). You said yourself its a chance to figure out your opponent, so why let them? Warm up is a perfect name for it, sounds like what you want is a pre match
I think this is completely nonsense, do you have any data to back up that injuries happen because players 'only' warmup for 5 minutes? Show me a chart that most of the injuries in a match happen in say the first 10 minutes of the match and we talk.UTSA warmup is 5 min. I wish i could warm up my forehand, backhand, legs, foot work, serve, overhead, volleys in that amount of time. maybe you play where it is a longer time, tennis would be better served to prevent injuries if there was a better approach to "warm up".
I think this is completely nonsense, do you have any data to back up that injuries happen because players 'only' warmup for 5 minutes? Show me a chart that most of the injuries in a match happen in say the first 10 minutes of the match and we talk.
I agree that one needs to warmup but we disagree over the amount of time, I think 5 minutes is enough. So then how long do you think someone needs to warmup? How many minutes?Playing without proper stretching or warm-up causes harm over a period of time.
I definitely agree with that but not 10 minutes before a match, if their muscles are too short it is way to late to correct it at that time.Older people should do more stretching ...
I think this is completely nonsense, do you have any data to back up that injuries happen because players 'only' warmup for 5 minutes? Show me a chart that most of the injuries in a match happen in say the first 10 minutes of the match and we talk.
So how long do you want players to warm up so that they allegedly won't have injuries? One hour, two hours?