What is the NTRP of these players?

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J_R_B

Hall of Fame
Nothing. They're not even American much less USTA players (or even in the level of people who would care about NTRP if they were American). NTRP is only used to rate people for league and tournament play in the USTA in the US. Trying to guess what NTRP people like this would be just leads to pointless arguments.
 
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big_j_tennis

New User
Just asking because these are players that I sometimes play against, and I might play some USTA events at some point in the future. I was wondering at what approximate level I should enter
 
Bdarb

Bdarb

Hall of Fame
big_j_tennis said:
Just asking because these are players that I sometimes play against, and I might play some USTA events at some point in the future. I was wondering at what approximate level I should enter
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at least 4.5 I would guess. Any higher than that is kind of hard to determine from spotty video.
 
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dizzlmcwizzl

Hall of Fame
I would be very happy if either of these guys could play for my 4.5 team. This probably makes them at least high end 4.5's or 5.0's.

But as JRB says ... ratings are based on results against league players. Hard to make a good estimate based on video ...
 
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JLyon

Hall of Fame
just the one or two pts I watched the first link, they are easily 4.5+ level players, just listen to the ball come off the string and the depth used.

2nd link: 4.5+ as well, far side appears to be closer to 5.0
 
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beernutz

beernutz

Hall of Fame
My guess is 5.0 minimum for both as their points look a lot like what I see when I watch my local D1 team's matches.
 
35ft6

35ft6

Legend
RoddickAce said:
David Desrochers:

I'd say someone that can consistently make a few rounds at open is around 5.5 or at least 5.0.
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Depends where, too, though. In So Cal, in a major Open tournament, winning two rounds could mean you're 6.0. In smaller ones, at least 5.5, but legit. But in the Eastern region, from what I remember, their top 2 or 3 guys might be top 20 in So Cal level, but the rest of them would be more like top 75 or 100 level in So Cal.
 
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prostaff_fan

Rookie
Just watched a min of the first video...definitely 4.5+...I try to judge by the pace of play and strokes and technique.
 
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gmatheis

Hall of Fame
35ft6 said:
Just curious… as opposed to what?
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How well their shorts, shirts, hats, and shoes match. Whether or not their tennis bag is the same brand as their rackets. The voracity with which they shout out "VAMOS!" after hitting a winner.

These are the things that can distinguish a weak 4.5 from a 6.0
 
Bdarb

Bdarb

Hall of Fame
gmatheis said:
How well their shorts, shirts, hats, and shoes match. Whether or not their tennis bag is the same brand as their rackets. The voracity with which they shout out "VAMOS!" after hitting a winner.

These are the things that can distinguish a weak 4.5 from a 6.0
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beat me to it.
 
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jservoss

Rookie
Rozroz said:
4.5-5.0???

come on, some of their technique is too quirky for 4.5,
especially the white hat guy.
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The responses on this site are so random it is hard to take anyone seriously. In this case the players can hit the ball in play at least twice in a row so they must be 5.0+???? In other cases there have videos of premiere college players and the consensus was must be 4.0 to 4.5.
 
Rozroz

Rozroz

G.O.A.T.
jservoss said:
The responses on this site are so random it is hard to take anyone seriously. In this case the players can hit the ball in play at least twice in a row so they must be 5.0+???? In other cases there have videos of premiere college players and the consensus was must be 4.0 to 4.5.
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i agree.
they play pretty stable, accurate, and maintain a decent rally.
but they are no more than 4.5 tops.
if this is 5.0 then i may beat the guy with the hat,
which is absurd (i am not even close to 5.0).
 
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Sumo

Semi-Pro
gmatheis said:
How well their shorts, shirts, hats, and shoes match. Whether or not their tennis bag is the same brand as their rackets. The voracity with which they shout out "VAMOS!" after hitting a winner.

These are the things that can distinguish a weak 4.5 from a 6.0
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One of the guys in the first video switched racquets at least twice....surely that must bump him down by at least half a point.
 
beernutz

beernutz

Hall of Fame
Rozroz said:
i agree.
they play pretty stable, accurate, and maintain a decent rally.
but they are no more than 4.5 tops.
if this is 5.0 then i may beat the guy with the hat,
which is absurd (i am not even close to 5.0).
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Don't you live somewhere outside the U.S.? Have you ever been to the United States and seen a live match between computer-rated 4.5 USTA players?
 
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jservoss

Rookie
tennis_ocd said:
You're ruining this thread with hard evidence and fact.
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Without knowing anything about the quality of the opponents it is tough to come to any definitive conclusion from simply the record alone. I know where I live the quality of the Open tournaments varies by a large margin based on if there is prize money involved.

The open tournaments with prize money have 6.0 level players winning them. The open tournaments without prize money have 4.5-5.0 players winning them.
 
Rozroz

Rozroz

G.O.A.T.
beernutz said:
Don't you live somewhere outside the U.S.? Have you ever been to the United States and seen a live match between computer-rated 4.5 USTA players?
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i've seen high level matches (higher than this one for sure),
which were around 5.0 level (equivalent in Israel).
there were no high loopy balls, no lazy footwork, etc.
 
RoddickAce

RoddickAce

Hall of Fame
tennis_ocd said:
You're ruining this thread with hard evidence and fact.
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LOL, yes I feel I am doing that too, as I am about to do again.

jservoss said:
Without knowing anything about the quality of the opponents it is tough to come to any definitive conclusion from simply the record alone. I know where I live the quality of the Open tournaments varies by a large margin based on if there is prize money involved.

The open tournaments with prize money have 6.0 level players winning them. The open tournaments without prize money have 4.5-5.0 players winning them.
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Here is another perspective:
http://baseline.computan.com/ClientRankingReports/RptRanking4Men.aspx?Info=cZwgS+uN3At9W+MjKn76/Q==

He is ranked 111 in Canada, out of 1928+ ranked players.
 
beernutz

beernutz

Hall of Fame
Rozroz said:
i've seen high level matches (higher than this one for sure),
which were around 5.0 level (equivalent in Israel).
there were no high loopy balls, no lazy footwork, etc.
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So, the answer to both questions is no. Just clarifying.
 
Rozroz

Rozroz

G.O.A.T.
beernutz said:
So, the answer to both questions is no. Just clarifying.
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* btw - i am talking only about the FIRST linked video. sorry if that made this look awkward.
i thought both videos were of the same players. saw the 2nd one now, and that guy is more like 5.0 indeed ;)

so my replies were for the first video only.
 
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tennis4josh

Rookie
They would barely beat the singles guys on Hawaii or Peurto Rico teams at USTA 4.0 nationals.

That puts them in 5.0+ range.

-Josh
 
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escii_35

Rookie
The court is killing all the speed and bounce in the first vid which makes it hard to judge. Playing on something like that will make most folks look off balance and awkward.

The indoor sample is EAZY alpha 4.5 and up. Univ ball.
 
Tmano

Tmano

Hall of Fame
in the first video after I watched for 3 minutes I would say an average 4.0
in the second video again after 3 minutes I believe no more than a 4.5. the guy with the blue shirt served better.
anything else above that 4.5 would not make sense to me
 
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widmerpool

Rookie
It's 5.0 because they aren't missing shots.

Yes, the guy in the red has the most labored FH I've ever seen but it goes in and is deep.

They would play 5.0 in Atlanta.

They hit some 4.5 shots but they would almost always beat a 4.5.
 
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jservoss

Rookie
maggmaster said:
Do you also have a winning record at the open level?
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The variance of skill levels in open tournaments is huge depending on the size of the tournament. If a 4.5 cherry picked open tournaments that have a normally have a weak draw, I see no reason why someone below 5.0 could have a great record.

I know nothing about the strength of the open tournaments the gentleman in question played and have no idea about his level. I just wanted to point out that not all open tournaments bring out the ringers.
 
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maggmaster

Hall of Fame
The one guy played in a Challenger last year( Qualifying) and won 1 game in the first round. I suppose he could still be a 4.5 but I can't imagine a 4.5 even qualifying for a qualifying spot.
 
mikeler

mikeler

Moderator
maggmaster said:
The one guy played in a Challenger last year( Qualifying) and won 1 game in the first round. I suppose he could still be a 4.5 but I can't imagine a 4.5 even qualifying for a qualifying spot.
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Tough to say. If the 4.5 has a gigantic serve, he could pull off 1 game potentially.
 
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LeeD

Bionic Poster
4.5 with a good serve, on a good day, vs another qualifier from a D-2 school who has a cold, coming back from knee problems, easy 3 and 3 for the 4.5.
Then next round, his 2nd round opponent withdraws after 3 games, citing arm problems.
It CAN happen, and it has.
 
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