NTRP rating please

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raiden031

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duketennisgal said:
Seriously, the players in the video I quoted have extremly poor footwork and form. They can't keep a rally going for more than a couple of balls, I just don't see how they aren't 3.0's. I know that it's 3.5 tennis, I would love to know the players names and look them up in tennislink because I would bet they are mediocre 3.5's at best.

Also people are asking opinions based on the videos alone, since that's all we have to go by and watching their form that's how I would rate them. I may be way off but just by watching the video that would be my thoughts.
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I think the dynamics of a match are not the same across the board at each level. There are 4.0 matches that end in errors quickly. There are 3.0 matches that result in long rallies. It depends on how the opponents match up. Its possible they are weaker 3.5s or true 3.0s playing up, but I doubt it because they are playing #1 singles at 3.5. Another reason I doubt it is because I've seen solid 3.5s and above who look worse than this.

The reason I singled out your opinion is that you stated it in a way as if there is no way they could compete at 3.5. I thought I would chime in because I think that I would know more about 3.0 and 3.5 men then you do as I play against them all the time and you probably do not.
 
beernutz

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As someone has already pointed out, the 4.5s I know can hit more than 2-3 shots before committing an error. These players don't seem to be able to do that. I'd say 3.5 to low 4.0 but no higher.
 
Topaz

Topaz

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beernutz said:
As someone has already pointed out, the 4.5s I know can hit more than 2-3 shots before committing an error. These players don't seem to be able to do that. I'd say 3.5 to low 4.0 but no higher.
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But in the OPs video, most points end with winners, not errors.
 
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WBF

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beernutz said:
As someone has already pointed out, the 4.5s I know can hit more than 2-3 shots before committing an error. These players don't seem to be able to do that. I'd say 3.5 to low 4.0 but no higher.
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No, this all depends on one's style of play. There are some players who will play very consistently, and their opponent may do something similar, not going for winners and so forth. Other players go for angles and power, and try to end the point early.
 
beernutz

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Topaz said:
But in the OPs video, most points end with winners, not errors.
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Yes I agree, the first few points looked to be out rather than winners but the play picks up considerably as they continue. I revise my earlier estimate to 4.0 to low 4.5.
 
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Wilson6-1

Rookie
raiden031 said:
You are wrong. You can not make this claim based on the video alone. Either my area is EXTREMELY WEAK (fat chance since we have had a number of teams advancing to Nationals throughout the years), or I've played against 4.0 players who probably wouldn't look much better than these you are saying are 3.0s. I have had people think I am a 4.5 (which I'm not) because I play a more pro-style game and I've lost to guys just like this video shows.
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This comment is not to the OP, but the video of the two USTA 3.5 players is not indicative of the tennis in Atlanta. Based on this video, I would rank them 3.0 or 3.0-

I am not sure how you can compare at 4.0, neither player can get the ball in play. There is a difference between these players and pushers.
 
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raiden031

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Wilson6-1 said:
This comment is not to the OP, but the video of the two USTA 3.5 players is not indicative of the tennis in Atlanta. Based on this video, I would rank them 3.0 or 3.0-

I am not sure how you can compare at 4.0, neither player can get the ball in play. There is a difference between these players and pushers.
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Let me put it this way. If you put a pusher against a hard hitter the pusher will keep the ball in play because his game depends on his opponent providing pace to him. Put two pushers together and you have alot of crappy shots because they are trying to generate their own pace which they aren't good at doing. I imagine that is what is going on in the 3.5 video.

Or you and I have different eyes for tennis because I have seen 4.0s that look terrible when they play, but somehow find a way to kick my ass and I would say I probably look alot better then those guys in the 3.5 video.
 
Cindysphinx

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This is really hard because all of the errors have been omitted.

If the two fellows in the video played all of their points in the way they played in the video, I'd say the guy in black is low 4.0 and the guy in white is mid 4.0.

I have to discount it because I just *know* a lot of ugly crap lies on the floor of the editing room. I also think their level would drop with the pressure of an actual match, rather than just hitting. This wasn't a match because I didn't hear the score announced ever.

So I'll downgrade them both one NTRP level. Verdict: 3.5.

[edit: I was watching the very first video in the OP]
 
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Cindysphinx

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Second video (guy in green, guy in black):

3.5 for sure. These guys look like my 3.5 mixed teammates, for the most part.

Some errors, some tightness at the end of a close match. Some nice hitting though.
 
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raiden031

Legend
Cindysphinx said:
Second video (guy in green, guy in black):

3.5 for sure. These guys look like my 3.5 mixed teammates, for the most part.

Some errors, some tightness at the end of a close match. Some nice hitting though.
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I think those guys could easily be 4.0 or 4.5 players but if they are 3.5s then they have alot of potential to move up soon.
 
Cindysphinx

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When I think high 4.0-4.5, I think of my previous mixed 4.0 partner.

His serve was stronger, he rarely missed, he was much faster around the court. His opponents were under constant pressure. His BH was stronger (he hit 1HBH and 2HBH, depending on what he felt like). The second serve of the guy in black is a bit tentative.

Nah, I'm still thinking solid 3.5. I played one match with one of our bread-and-butter solid 3.5s this season. He reminded me of the guys in the video. A good player, but not 4.0. Yet.
 
drakulie

drakulie

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Definitely 4.0 minimum. Could also be at the 4.5 range.

Side note: >>>As usual, Cyndy has no idea what she is talking about. remember, she is still learning the rules of tennis, and "policing" bathroom breaks in her 3.0 league>> so is in no position to assess the playability of other players.
 
goober

goober

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Cindysphinx said:
Second video (guy in green, guy in black):

3.5 for sure. These guys look like my 3.5 mixed teammates, for the most part.

Some errors, some tightness at the end of a close match. Some nice hitting though.
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Well you played tfm1973 and said he was a strong 4.0 with possibilty of getting a 4.5 rating at some point. I don't see any difference in levels between the guy in the green and of tfm I have seen based on the videos alone. I am not saying they are in fact the same level, but if you look at tfm's matches you can't tell me he looks 1-2 level above these guys. But because you have played him in person your view is different. That's why IMO these video ratings are bunk. All you really can say is beginner, interemediate and advanced level play.
 
LafayetteHitter

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Man it amazes me when I read through this entire thread just now. I would like to know where some of these wackos see a 2.5 serving like these guys. I mean come on there has to be a medication for the condition these posters suffer with. Here is what proves some people here have no idea. A player like Drakulie (a guy with lots of personal footage available here) posts his opinion and then some with maybe 20 posts and no videos available says 2.5-3.0 tops? To the op, stick with the higher level guys opinions here. Most of the 3.0 league people I see here spend more time yapping their mouths after their matches than they do on court. The womens leagues here are the worst for this and would lead me to not believe most evaluations by intermediate level womens league players.

Looks at this serve video and tell me when is the last time you saw this motion from a 2.5, someone refer these guys to a psychiatrist.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7lETjToPTPI&feature=related
 
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Charlie_Boy

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I'm probably no better than you two, but I'll critique a little...

Black shorts gave up on balls I would've easily gotten to personally, court coverage/movement is kind of bad.

Points ended really quickly, as said earlier, no extended rallies. Just quick points.

I'd assume that you guys are anywhere from 4.0 to 4.5.

BTW, looked like a couple of those winners at the beginning were out....
 
Topaz

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LafayetteHitter said:
Man it amazes me when I read through this entire thread just now. I would like to know where some of these wackos see a 2.5 serving like these guys. I mean come on there has to be a medication for the condition these posters suffer with. Here is what proves some people here have no idea. A player like Drakulie (a guy with lots of personal footage available here) posts his opinion and then some with maybe 20 posts and no videos available says 2.5-3.0 tops? To the op, stick with the higher level guys opinions here. Most of the 3.0 league people I see here spend more time yapping their mouths after their matches than they do on court. The womens leagues here are the worst for this and would lead me to not believe most evaluations by intermediate level womens league players.

Looks at this serve video and tell me when is the last time you saw this motion from a 2.5, someone refer these guys to a psychiatrist.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7lETjToPTPI&feature=related
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Wow...where did that come from? Have any basis for this remark, or just spewing crap?

FWIW, I believe I posted that I thought the original guys were at least 4.0. And I'm a 3.5 intermediate female who posts a lot and plays in a lot of leagues and spends a lot of time on court as well as yapping my mouth. :)

Most of the ridiculous posts on this thread came from *guys*.
 
LafayetteHitter

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That part of the post had not exactly to do with this thread per say but based on the many video threads in the tips section. As far as the 2.5 post, that was on the 2nd page. The moral of my post is that there are people on here that simply lowball these videos just to do it and they are most likely the ones that stand around talking about tennis at the courts rather than hitting the ball. Whether it be a male or female.
 
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Charlie_Boy

Semi-Pro
Topaz said:
Wow...where did that come from? Have any basis for this remark, or just spewing crap?

FWIW, I believe I posted that I thought the original guys were at least 4.0. And I'm a 3.5 intermediate female who posts a lot and plays in a lot of leagues and spends a lot of time on court as well as yapping my mouth. :)

Most of the ridiculous posts on this thread came from *guys*.
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Considering women are inferior sports players........
 
Cindysphinx

Cindysphinx

G.O.A.T.
goober said:
Well you played tfm1973 and said he was a strong 4.0 with possibilty of getting a 4.5 rating at some point. I don't see any difference in levels between the guy in the green and of tfm I have seen based on the videos alone. I am not saying they are in fact the same level, but if you look at tfm's matches you can't tell me he looks 1-2 level above these guys. But because you have played him in person your view is different. That's why IMO these video ratings are bunk. All you really can say is beginner, interemediate and advanced level play.
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Fair questions, Goober.

I did think some about TFM's game when I watched the video. But TFM is not a 4.5, which is why I thought the comparison between my old mixed partner (now 4.5) was a more relevant comparison when I read some people were opining 4.5.

I'm sorry, but I thought TFM was better than these guys. I mean, when I see TFM play, I see continuous play, not highlights. I have to discount because of that. Also, I think TFM is a lot steadier and faster around the court and doesn't make a lot of UEs. TFM plays with more touch and has more variety and a better serve, IMHO. Maybe TFM will chime in and give his opinion.

But like I said, all I can do is compare these guys to the guys I play with. And I'm not getting a 4.0 vibe, sorry. The guy in all white was closest, IMHO.
 
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raiden031

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I watched some 4.0s at districts today and would say none of them looked better than the green shirt dude in the video. I will say that some of the 4.5s looked better but that doesn't mean these guys can't be 4.5s. Even the 4.5s that looked really good, they made stupid errors constantly. Errors I feel like I wouldn't make, but in reality I probably make double the amount if I were to keep count and watch myself.
 
Cindysphinx

Cindysphinx

G.O.A.T.
BTW, Raiden, congratulations on your results today!!!

I think you're the only person I know who is still alive in the playoffs.

I know the fellow who played No. 1 singles for your opponents in the finals. The guy who got double-bageled. He's the nice guy who subbed in one day with my 3.5 team.
 
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raiden031

Legend
Cindysphinx said:
BTW, Raiden, congratulations on your results today!!!

I think you're the only person I know who is still alive in the playoffs.

I know the fellow who played No. 1 singles for your opponents in the finals. The guy who got double-bageled. He's the nice guy who subbed in one day with my 3.5 team.
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Yeah thanks. I was expecting more out of their singles players though. But the #1 guy for us is insanely good. The win is always nice though. Although sectionals will be a pain because its like 4 hours away.
 
Cindysphinx

Cindysphinx

G.O.A.T.
I'm pretty confident that was a stacked line-up. The fellow I'm referring to is a sweetie and all, but he has serious, unbelievable, overwhelming, outlandish, breathtaking problems with control.
 
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raiden031

Legend
Cindysphinx said:
I'm pretty confident that was a stacked line-up. The fellow I'm referring to is a sweetie and all, but he has serious, unbelievable, overwhelming, outlandish, breathtaking problems with control.
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Stacking doesn't work against my team because our #2/3 teams can usually take out the #1 opposition guys anyways.
 
beernutz

beernutz

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LafayetteHitter said:
Man it amazes me when I read through this entire thread just now. I would like to know where some of these wackos see a 2.5 serving like these guys. I mean come on there has to be a medication for the condition these posters suffer with. Here is what proves some people here have no idea. A player like Drakulie (a guy with lots of personal footage available here) posts his opinion and then some with maybe 20 posts and no videos available says 2.5-3.0 tops? To the op, stick with the higher level guys opinions here. Most of the 3.0 league people I see here spend more time yapping their mouths after their matches than they do on court. The womens leagues here are the worst for this and would lead me to not believe most evaluations by intermediate level womens league players.

Looks at this serve video and tell me when is the last time you saw this motion from a 2.5, someone refer these guys to a psychiatrist.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7lETjToPTPI&feature=related
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Settle down. BTW, the person who rated them 2.5-3.0 says he is a 4.5.
 
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