Nadal Will Win USO and Sweep the North american HC swing.

The_Mental_Giant

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Rafa always comes stronger after he lose the 1 spot. I expect him to come very strong for the North American HC swing, and possibly win the USO + 1-2 m1000.

He Will show us all why you should never write him off.

I think he will do very well in the two coming slams (he will make both finals at least and win 1 at the lowest)
 
Sysyphus

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Last year, you mean?

On a serious note, I think he has a good chance at the USO, but he won't do the clean sweep like last year. He is more susceptible to upsets, and Novak should at least win one masters.
 
The_Mental_Giant

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Sysyphus said:
Last year, you mean?

On a serious note, I think he has a good chance at the USO, but he won't do the clean sweep like last year. He is more susceptible to upsets, and Novak should at least win one masters.
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I dont think he will win two masters, It can happen but the odds arent running on his favor... I expect rafa to take cincinnati and the USO, and nole to win in montreal.

Rafa is playing great tennis, he is just more prone to losing to big servers in grass than prior 2012 due to his knee. The Decoturf is a fitting surface for rafa to exploit his forehand and play at novak weakness, unlike some people fail to believe rafa do better at faster courts with higher bounce than anyone in the big 4, that has been the case at least since 2010...
 
jm1980

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The_Mental_Giant said:
Rafa always comes stronger after he lose the 1 spot. I expect him to come very strong for the North American HC swing, and possibly win the USO + 1-2 m1000.

He Will show us all why you should never write him off.

I think he will do very well in the two coming slams (he will make both finals at least and win 1 at the lowest)
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Quoted for posterity.

We shall see.
 
Down_the_line

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The_Mental_Giant said:
Rafa always comes stronger after he lose the 1 spot. I expect him to come very strong for the North American HC swing, and possibly win the USO + 1-2 m1000.

He Will show us all why you should never write him off.

I think he will do very well in the two coming slams (he will make both finals at least and win 1 at the lowest)
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You make it sound like he has so much to prove. All he did was lose in the 4th round at Wimbledon

Don't worry, his dominance last year is still fresh in everyone's mind and even this year he's still the proud holder of the French Open title once again, as well as the Mutua Madrid Open title, and overall he's 2nd in the race.
 
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Down_the_line

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jaggy said:
He will give everything at Cincy
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So will Djokovic. It's the one Masters 1000 tournament he hasn't won, even though he's been to 4 finals.

Man, you also take into account the 4 US Open finals Djokovic has lost and you realize he could have been the most dominant hard-court player - specifically the most dominant summer hard-court player - ever.

But coulda woulda shoulda right?
 
Bukmeikara

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I dont understand you people:
1. First of all the North American double-treble is an incredible tough to win
2. Nadal never in his life had defended title outside the clay, and you expected from him to defend not one but two or three?
3. Nadal level this year is far from 2013 standart, apart from the RG were he was good as always. What makes you thing that he would suddenly do better during his weaker half the season, after the painfull loss at Wimbledon, after he get detroned as number 1, after the morale boost for Djokovic and with the presure of defending so manny points?
4. This year you have better Dimitrov, Gulbis, Wawrinka, Raonic,Federer,Nishikori and probably Djokovic(considering the fact that last year during this time of year Novak was mental midget of Nadal)

Do you really think before saying or writting something like that. In fact is very likely that Nadal wont win anything. His best chances is Canada, Cincinnaty usualy doesnt suit him well(last year was an exception) and at the Us he is vulnerable to a lot of guy.
 
stringertom

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The whole NA HC swing is w i d e open. I doubt any one player sweeps the 2 MS1000's and the USO. Certainly not Nadal.
 
Djokovic2011

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To be honest I don't see Nadal doing that well during the North American HC swing. He didn't lose in the first round of Wimbledon this year.
 
veroniquem

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If Nadal did the summer hard clean sweep again, I think I would faint. Literally lol. Doing it once is hard enough but twice in a row? :shock: (especially for someone who has yet to defend a title off clay. Talk about a triple whammy there!!!)
 
Djokovic2011

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veroniquem said:
If Nadal did the summer hard clean sweep again, I think I would faint. Literally lol. Doing it once is hard enough but twice in a row? :shock: (especially for someone who has yet to defend a title off clay. Talk about a triple whammy there!!!)
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Don't worry vero- Nole is taking care of business this year. :razz:
 
veroniquem

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Djokovic2011 said:
Don't worry vero- Nole is taking care of business this year. :razz:
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He'd better win Cincy at least. I feel like I've been waiting forever for him to get that 9 master combo sweep but actually only since last year! (Since he won M-C).
ETA: last year was his worst perf at Cincy (along with 2010) since 2007.
 
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Djokovic2011

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veroniquem said:
He'd better win Cincy at least. I feel like I've been waiting forever for him to get that 9 master combo sweep but actually only since last year! (Since he won M-C).
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If Nole could win just 3 more titles this year I'd choose Cinci, USO and WTF. Nadal can win everything else for all I care- I'm not greedy. :wink:
 
veroniquem

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Djokovic2011 said:
If Nole could win just 3 more titles this year I'd choose Cinci, USO and WTF. Nadal can win everything else for all I care- I'm not greedy. :wink:
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Ha ha well of course, USO and WTF are the biggest titles remaining, not a difficult choice to make!
 
The_Mental_Giant

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Djokovic2011 said:
If Nole could win just 3 more titles this year I'd choose Cinci, USO and WTF. Nadal can win everything else for all I care- I'm not greedy. :wink:
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LOl at nole fans, Nole just won 1 slam after 5 failed attempts against the old man, and now he is favorite for everything else. LOL. Rafa is still the most succesful if we talk about the last calendar year of slams Holding 2 slams and 3/4 finals.

Last HC slams for rafa are W and F
Last HC slams for Nole are F and QF.

Rafa is 2-1 in flushing meadow's finals
Nole is 1-4 (and one of the finals he played there rafa was not playing and injured..)


Since 2010 nole is F W F F: 25% effectivity
Rafa is W F A W : 66,6 % effectivity
 
Djokovic2011

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The_Mental_Giant said:
LOl at nole fans, Nole just won 1 slam after 5 failed attempts against the old man, and now he is favorite for everything else. LOL. Rafa is still the most succesful if we talk about the last calendar year of slams Holding 2 slams and 3/4 finals.

Last HC slams for rafa are W and F
Last HC slams for Nole are F and QF.

Rafa is 2-1 in flushing meadow's finals
Nole is 1-4 (and one of the finals he played there rafa was not playing and injured..)


Since 2010 nole is F W F F: 25% effectivity
Rafa is W F A W : 66,6 % effectivity
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Where did I say Nole is favourite for everything? :confused:
 
The_Mental_Giant

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Djokovic2011 said:
Where did I say Nole is favourite for everything? :confused:
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Favorites are only the most likely to win on paper, but anything may happen. The odds are in favour for another Rafole final, where the surface slighty favors the spaniard, the same way for AO 2015, but this time giving the slight edge to the serb. Remember Rafa isnt the Old man fed, Rafa is very though to beat in 5 sets, or in situations where he wins the first set..
 
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The_Mental_Giant said:
and? still he always plays very good in decoturf...


Higher bounce fast HC favors his game vs Nole.
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Nole's still the favorite, and it's not that close. You won't find a sportsbook out there that gives Nadal even close to the same odds as Djokovic. Djokovic is going for 111 - 180. Nadal ranges from about 250 - 400.
 
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The_Mental_Giant said:
Rafa always comes stronger after he lose the 1 spot. I expect him to come very strong for the North American HC swing, and possibly win the USO + 1-2 m1000.

He Will show us all why you should never write him off.

I think he will do very well in the two coming slams (he will make both finals at least and win 1 at the lowest)
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Let's see, Nadal has never, ever, EVER defended a non clay title, plus he has shown a marked tendency to be "tired" in the 2nd half of the year. Factor in that he is showing vulnerability on ALL surfaces lately, but we're supposed to believe that he is going to have a bang-up 2nd half? Lol, good luck with THAT scenario coming to pass.
 
T-Noone

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No way does he do it again. Not only does he have to deal with a rejuvenated Djokovic but also Stan, who I'd pick to trounce Nadal on a hard court again. Murray and Fed come next in terms of danger.
 
stringertom

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T-Noone said:
No way does he do it again. Not only does he have to deal with a rejuvenated Djokovic but also Stan, who I'd pick to trounce Nadal on a hard court again. Murray and Fed come next in terms of danger.
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I would like Gulbis to get a bite at him! Vampires???
 
The_Mental_Giant

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britam25 said:
Let's see, Nadal has never, ever, EVER defended a non clay title, plus he has shown a marked tendency to be "tired" in the 2nd half of the year. Factor in that he is showing vulnerability on ALL surfaces lately, but we're supposed to believe that he is going to have a bang-up 2nd half? Lol, good luck with THAT scenario coming to pass.
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Not at USO, since 2008 he did at least SF

SF SF W F Absent W

SInce 2010 USO is his best slam after the French,
 
The_Mental_Giant

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Big_Dangerous said:
I keep forgetting he's still never successfully defended a title that wasn't on clay. That seems rather hard to do given the caliber of player Rafa is.
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Not hard since its rafa best GS after the French if we count his career since 2010...

A Open:QF QF F A F
French: W W W W W
Wimbl: W F 2R 1r 4R
USO : W F A W ?


A: Absent
 
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I sense Nadal wont win any masters prior to USO.

People forget easy, but outside of his tournament, RG, Rafa looked beatable in every tournament so far this year.

In the grass season he lost to a top200 in Nick Kyrgios, weeks earlier he lost to ***** Dustin Brown in the first round in straight sets.

During the clay season, he lost to Nole in the finals of Rome but he looked bad the whole tournament. Needing 3sets marathon wins to beat guys he usually destroyed, like Youzny, Simon... Then went 3sets as well against murray, losing the first one 6-1...

He won the Madrid Open but getting outplayed by Nishikori in the first set. Key had a marathon in the semis and played injured that match and had to give up in the 3rd set.

@Barcelona Open he host to another guy he usually destroyed in Almagro in the 3rd round and struggled even against Albert Ramos in the first round...

@MC he was straight setted in the QF by one of his clay pigeons, Ferrer.

@Miami he was utterly dominated by Nole in the Final after struggling to beat Raonic in the QF in 3 hard-fought sets and then had a WO to the FInals.

He did even worse at Indian Wells, losing to Dolgopolov in the 2nd Round... A guy that he had beat few weeks before at Rio's Atp500 but in the semifinals of that tournament he needed to save match points against also one of his pigeons, Pablo Anjudar.

Nadal still a nightmare to be beaten in a BO5 tournament, so I wont rule him out of USO but I don't see him winning any of the masters prior USO.
 
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Can he repeat the feat? I hope so, but I doubt it.
 
Noleberic123

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I don't think nadal can repeat that for a second year running. Especially since djokovic has now conquered his mental demons and is hungry for another Slam title on his favourite surface ;)
 
JoshT

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I'd personally be happy with the USO.

As someone said before, playing Rafa in best of 5 sets is a nightmare. It becomes a mental battle and no one, ever, has battled more intensely for longer periods of time than Rafa.

It would be nice if he could retain his title at either Toronto (this year it's Toronto right?) or Cincinatti as well, but no big deal either way, he's still far and away the most impressive player in history at the Masters 1000's.

Bring it on, can't wait for the NA HC Swing to begin!
 
JohnnyMac Fan!

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The_Order said:
Same here. Particularly if he knocks Djokovic off in the final again.

Probably won't though unfortunately...
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What???? :confused:

What dimension are we again? :confused:

It is always a monumental task for Nadal to beat Novak than it is the other way around. Since 2011 that has been the trend. That can be seen how Nole is closing in on their Head to head.

Can Le Raf win the USOpen, sure, will he win it, who knows?
 
The_Mental_Giant

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Noleberic123 said:
I don't think nadal can repeat that for a second year running. Especially since djokovic has now conquered his mental demons and is hungry for another Slam title on his favourite surface ;)
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his mental demons are in finals against rafa, beating the old man to win wimbledon has nothing to do witht that.
 
Djokodal Fan

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I just want Djoko to in US open. That's all I care about. I don't even care about this glorified exhibition called WTF.

If djoko wins it, good for him....otherwise he can move on.

US open is what matters. For the HC player that he is, he should atleast have 3 US opens by now and he mugs against Murray and Nadal in finals! What to say?!?!?!
 
MichaelNadal

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Djokodal Fan said:
I just want Djoko to in US open. That's all I care about. I don't even care about this glorified exhibition called WTF.

If djoko wins it, good for him....otherwise he can move on.

US open is what matters. For the HC player that he is, he should atleast have 3 US opens by now and he mugs against Murray and Nadal in finals! What to say?!?!?!
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Why "should" he have more? Murray and Nadal outplayed him, that's it. Hell, Nadal did it twice. Believe it or not, Nadal is a hard man to beat at the US Open these days.
 
Djokodal Fan

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MichaelNadal said:
Why "should" he have more? Murray and Nadal outplayed him, that's it. Hell, Nadal did it twice. Believe it or not, Nadal is a hard man to beat at the US Open these days.
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Djoko consistently makes it very deep at each US open and australian open. hence my expectations.

But I agree Nadal is a very hard to beat.
 
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The_Mental_Giant said:
Not at USO, since 2008 he did at least SF

SF SF W F Absent W

SInce 2010 USO is his best slam after the French,
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Pretty good stats.

Why is it though?

Is it because NY court allows him, at least partially, to generate spin he gets at RG?

I always thought that speed ranking of courts slow to fast was:

RG>AUO>USO>W

with some people saying that USO is faster than current green clay in W.

So Nadal should do better at AUO than in other GS after RG, of course.

Although Wimby can be explained by match up against his main contender there and facing his pigeon Berdych there in 2010 final.
 
T-Noone

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andrewski said:
Pretty good stats.

Why is it though?

Is it because NY court allows him, at least partially, to generate spin he gets at RG?

I always thought that speed ranking of courts slow to fast was:

RG>AUO>USO>W

with some people saying that USO is faster than current green clay in W.

So Nadal should do better at AUO than in other GS after RG, of course.

Although Wimby can be explained by match up against his main contender there and facing his pigeon Berdych there in 2010 final.
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Maybe the type of ball is an explanation for his success in NY? I'm not really well versed on this topic, but there are people on this forum who attribute his success at RG (as opposed to Rome) completely to the type of ball.
 
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JanowiczJ said:
I sense Nadal wont win any masters prior to USO.

People forget easy, but outside of his tournament, RG, Rafa looked beatable in every tournament so far this year.

In the grass season he lost to a top200 in Nick Kyrgios, weeks earlier he lost to ***** Dustin Brown in the first round in straight sets.

During the clay season, he lost to Nole in the finals of Rome but he looked bad the whole tournament. Needing 3sets marathon wins to beat guys he usually destroyed, like Youzny, Simon... Then went 3sets as well against murray, losing the first one 6-1...

He won the Madrid Open but getting outplayed by Nishikori in the first set. Key had a marathon in the semis and played injured that match and had to give up in the 3rd set.

@Barcelona Open he host to another guy he usually destroyed in Almagro in the 3rd round and struggled even against Albert Ramos in the first round...

@MC he was straight setted in the QF by one of his clay pigeons, Ferrer.

@Miami he was utterly dominated by Nole in the Final after struggling to beat Raonic in the QF in 3 hard-fought sets and then had a WO to the FInals.

He did even worse at Indian Wells, losing to Dolgopolov in the 2nd Round... A guy that he had beat few weeks before at Rio's Atp500 but in the semifinals of that tournament he needed to save match points against also one of his pigeons, Pablo Anjudar.

Nadal still a nightmare to be beaten in a BO5 tournament, so I wont rule him out of USO but I don't see him winning any of the masters prior USO.
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Great post.

Read as listed, the list of his struggles makes it even more remarkable how he won RG.

I mean to raise his level to do it after very average clay court season, is major achievement.

Not keen on his tennis and mannerism, but his is clearly a GOAT in fighting spirit.
 
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The_Mental_Giant said:
his mental demons are in finals against rafa, beating the old man to win wimbledon has nothing to do witht that.
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I am sorry but no.

If he lost to Fed in W, I would put Nadal as fav for USO.

Winning his first GS after 18 months and many GS F losses is huge for his mental state.
 
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T-Noone said:
Maybe the type of ball is an explanation for his success in NY? I'm not really well versed on this topic, but there are people on this forum who attribute his success at RG (as opposed to Rome) completely to the type of ball.
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I think Rafa does about equally well on slow or fast hard courts, as long as the fast hard courts are not crazy fast and low bouncing or indoors. The USO is faster than AO, but the bounce seems to be quite good and Nadal can get a lot of pop and spin off his shots.

Similarly, Rafa actually prefers slow clay courts but if they are "playing fast" if that makes sense. Basically he wants the court to be naturally slow enough (high bounce, ball travels thru air slow" so he isn't robbed of time and can use his athleticism, but he wants the ball to pop of the court and bully his opponent. Which is why he prefers hot, dry weather. Monte Carlo 2013 was about as slow as a clay court can be, but also lower bouncing due to the cold, damp weather and you saw Djokovic able to hit thru Nadal, especially in the 1st set.
 
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