How realistic is it for Nole to pass Federer for most weeks at No. 1?
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tennisaddict
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Now that is some serious LOL
RF-18
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Hahah indeed. I was sarcastic in the earlier comment though. I don't think it's possible for him to do it.
5555
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In 2010 you would have laughed if someone told you Nole would be having 139 weeks.
Why no chance? Who will stop him?
RF-18
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Sometime in April. Don't know the exact date.
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5555
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Look how Federer plays now. If Federer can play at that level at 33 why Nole can not at 30? Federer is No. 2 but above him is only Nole in his prime.
But who prevented Nole being No. 1 continuously since 2011? Nadal and Federer, arguably two greatest players of all time when they were younger. Look at younger generaton: Dimitrov, Nishikori, Raonic...
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JRAJ1988
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Who is there to challenge Djokovic? Who is potentially more consistent than Djokovic?
Let's face it Djokovic today is at least a step below Djokovic in 2011 yet he's best player in the world.
As long as Djokovic stays fit and motivated he'll stay at number 1 for the foreseeable future. He's 28 this year which now in Tennis terms is still young so why can't he go until he's 31?
If you told me Federer would break Sampras' 14 slam records after the US Open in 2002 I'd have smiled in a "yeah right" way....Now look...records are made to be broken, NO this is not an anti-Federer post.
Let's face it Djokovic today is at least a step below Djokovic in 2011 yet he's best player in the world.
As long as Djokovic stays fit and motivated he'll stay at number 1 for the foreseeable future. He's 28 this year which now in Tennis terms is still young so why can't he go until he's 31?
If you told me Federer would break Sampras' 14 slam records after the US Open in 2002 I'd have smiled in a "yeah right" way....Now look...records are made to be broken, NO this is not an anti-Federer post.
MichaelChang
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fact or your assumption? I think the fact is 28 is not young in tennis, let alone 31.
Cortana
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So let me ask you something. Who would be #1 and still winning GS with 32-34 years if Novak wouldn't be around?
So why should it be impossible for Djokovic if nobody is around to stop him?
Omega_7000
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You must have a lot of time on your hands to keep underlining different words in all your posts.
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JRAJ1988
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Look at the top ten and their ages this year.
1. 28 this year
2. 34 this year
3. 29 this year
4. 28 this year
5. 26 this year
6. 25 this year
7. 33 this year
8. 30 this year
9. 30 this year
10. 27 this year
It's fact that now between the ages of 28 to say 30 that you can still compete at the highest level. Then as you go into the top 20 players like Robredo who's 33 this year and Lopez who is 34 this year, Karlovic is 22nd and he's 36. Djokovic is capable but the chances are slimmish.
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and how many weeks has Fed been nr1 since turning 30?
SpinToWin
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5555 is at it again I see…
No. Nole will not be No.1 longer than Roger.
As to who will stop him, you do know that in order to top The Swiss' record Novak would have to stay at #1 without dropping in the rankings another time? There's no way he'll do that!
secret message included, the illuminati are at it again too!
No. Nole will not be No.1 longer than Roger.
As to who will stop him, you do know that in order to top The Swiss' record Novak would have to stay at #1 without dropping in the rankings another time? There's no way he'll do that!
secret message included, the illuminati are at it again too!
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Djokovic2011
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I wouldn't say it's completely out of the realms of possibility but I don't think it's very likely.
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He's not even half way there!
It's easy to see him maintaining the top spot for the next two years at least.
The problem is, it was easy to see him maintaining that spot previously and it was interrupted, first briefly by Federer, then later by Nadal for a longer period.
The question now is whether either of those two can mount a serious challenge for the #1 ranking, and if not, who else is there?
As of now, Nadal and Federer are the only two guys who play consistent enough across the calendar to be a threat. Murray, for example, has never threatened #1 because he loses too much ground during clay season. And Nadal, while his grass results have dropped, always does so well on clay that he has some margin to absorb a bad result. Federer, like Djokovic, is consistent everywhere.
Djokovic's consistency on all surfaces is going to make it hard for anyone to supplant him in the foreseeable future. I don't believe Federer can do it. I don't believe we will see another 2013-like season from Nadal.
Who else can realistically catch him based on what we know right now? Maybe Nishikori, Dimitrov or Raonic (or somebody else) suddenly puts it all together and goes on a tear, but no way anyone is expecting that.
But, surely in the course of 4 years, some combination of rising stars and his own decline will initiate a change at the top.
The problem is, it was easy to see him maintaining that spot previously and it was interrupted, first briefly by Federer, then later by Nadal for a longer period.
The question now is whether either of those two can mount a serious challenge for the #1 ranking, and if not, who else is there?
As of now, Nadal and Federer are the only two guys who play consistent enough across the calendar to be a threat. Murray, for example, has never threatened #1 because he loses too much ground during clay season. And Nadal, while his grass results have dropped, always does so well on clay that he has some margin to absorb a bad result. Federer, like Djokovic, is consistent everywhere.
Djokovic's consistency on all surfaces is going to make it hard for anyone to supplant him in the foreseeable future. I don't believe Federer can do it. I don't believe we will see another 2013-like season from Nadal.
Who else can realistically catch him based on what we know right now? Maybe Nishikori, Dimitrov or Raonic (or somebody else) suddenly puts it all together and goes on a tear, but no way anyone is expecting that.
But, surely in the course of 4 years, some combination of rising stars and his own decline will initiate a change at the top.
Wynter
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Age, Raonic, Nishikori, and in 2 more years Coric, Kyrgios and Kokkinakis.
Considering he already isn't halfway there at the age of 28, he won't decline at the rate Nadal seems to be, but every year from now, a little piece of his game will deteriorate, when Djokers off he's vulnerable, he's going to start having off days more frequently as he ages.
He'll win RG this year, but 2016 will see him slip from #1, from there it's a guessing game. I'm more than happy to back Federer.
Steve0904
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So, is that a no?
Seriously, I don't see it. Everybody can trade views and talk about who will stop Djokovic, but I think a lot of you will be shocked when Novak declines in the next couple of years tbh. It's the same every time. People always believe the guy that's on top now will be on top forever (especially after he wins something, even if it's not a slam), but it will never work like that. Dimi-Nishi-Raonic are weak people will say. I don't care. Age will stop Novak before they do.
You can mark this post if you want. The way many are talking now, TTW will have a meltdown when Novak really starts to decline, and it's coming sooner than you think. Trust me.
Bukmeikara
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In order to happen he needs to win RG this year so that he can eliminate the doubts hidding in the back of his mind. In this scenario he would have the age advantage over Federer, mental advantage over Murray/Nadal and the superiour advantage against the rest. Djokovic probably has the biggest and perfect team around him so its not entirely crazy to think that he would remain in top condition until 32-33. If that happens the younger guys wont be able to outplay him physicaly and at this point they surely wont outplay mentaly either.
The three people that have the mental capacity of detroning Novak from the number 1 rankings are Nadal, Murray and Del Potro and right now neither of them is in good condition.
The three people that have the mental capacity of detroning Novak from the number 1 rankings are Nadal, Murray and Del Potro and right now neither of them is in good condition.
Mainly because their style of game. Fed looks to end points quickly, Djoker has turned into a right handed Nadal with his running style. Once the body hits 28, you can't do that anymore. Look at Nadal.
Dedans Penthouse
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'tinkle, tinkle little star..'
Simple: Nole isn't Federer.
Reverse the ages and have 33-year old Djoko playing 27-year old Fed. You know what would happen?
Well, imagine one of those fountains featuring a marble cherub peeing into a pool. Guess who's the pool?
Novak Poolovic, that's who:
[size=+2] 'tinkle' ...[/size]
This thread is a personal attack aimed at our collective intelligence. You have been reported!
Simple: Nole isn't Federer.
Reverse the ages and have 33-year old Djoko playing 27-year old Fed. You know what would happen?
Well, imagine one of those fountains featuring a marble cherub peeing into a pool. Guess who's the pool?
Novak Poolovic, that's who:
[size=+2] 'tinkle' ...[/size]
This thread is a personal attack aimed at our collective intelligence. You have been reported!
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Highly unlikely but will be interesting to see how he plays as he starts getting older,can't keep sliding around Hard courts forever! he has incorporated some changes such as coming to the net little more often in his game but his defense is what sets him apart from the rest imo
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It's a low probability event ranging from 5-7% I would estimate. I would be very curious to know what odds the bookies would give on this.
cknobman
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This post shows you just how monumental of a record Federer put together with his weeks @#1.
I mean Djoker has already been #1 140+ weeks and still needs another 3 consecutive years there to break the record.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
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I like the sound of that
I would love the melt down of the fed and Nadal fans if Djokovic continues to rack up the slams and comes close to overtaking them or actually does! :lol:
The Green Mile
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Wow, it's a bit funny that there is even a thread about this. Not very realistic OP. Djokovic's decline is inevitable just like all the past greats of the game.
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The Green Mile.
What if Nadal truly doesn't quite find his best stuff and can't maintain an intense full year any more...
Who is there to stop Djokovic for any meaningful length of time at number one?
Djokovic can end up with Lendl like figures in the #1 department.
What if Nadal truly doesn't quite find his best stuff and can't maintain an intense full year any more...
Who is there to stop Djokovic for any meaningful length of time at number one?
Djokovic can end up with Lendl like figures in the #1 department.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Don't be so sure about that. Djokovic is a perfect build for a tennis player. He rarely gets injured, super fit and has great movement and flexibility. His ground game is still strong and now improved his serving and net play.
Plus the rest of the tour is weak. It is very possible Nole can continue at the top for at least next 4-5 years and put Nadal and federer's slams and other big records under huge threat. He easily the best roght now and this is a key year for djoker to try dominate and make a charge towards more greatness!
I'm not so sure that Nole breaking Fed's record it's that absurd. The only guys I see having the potential to overtake him right now are:
1 - Nadal, who's declining way faster than Nole and have a hard time winning non-clay titles nowadays.
2 - Murray, who's also is declining way faster than Nole. After he won Wimbledon it seems he finally was able to relax. Took a burden off his back and his game suffered. He may surge up again latter this year or next year for a big push before retiring from "Top1 considerations".
3 - Nishikori. He's hurt half of the time and altho that nowadays he goes deep in almost every tournament, he doesn't win as many trophies as he should. Winning finals is what makes you contend for the Top1 ranking. A semi-finalist of a major played a very good tournament but he wont win half the points of the winner of that same tournament.
4 - Raonic. Well, IMHO he doesn't have the game to win a Slam, maybe the US Open if they speed it up a bit. So, quite hard for him to challenge Djokovic.
5 - The real challenge, outside of a resurrect from Murray, comes from the youngsters that are now U21. So it'll take at least 3 to four years to reach "No1" level.
So yeh, right now it seems only injuries can prevent Djokovic from getting close to Feds ranking. But tennis can chance at the blink of an eye, so we'll see.
1 - Nadal, who's declining way faster than Nole and have a hard time winning non-clay titles nowadays.
2 - Murray, who's also is declining way faster than Nole. After he won Wimbledon it seems he finally was able to relax. Took a burden off his back and his game suffered. He may surge up again latter this year or next year for a big push before retiring from "Top1 considerations".
3 - Nishikori. He's hurt half of the time and altho that nowadays he goes deep in almost every tournament, he doesn't win as many trophies as he should. Winning finals is what makes you contend for the Top1 ranking. A semi-finalist of a major played a very good tournament but he wont win half the points of the winner of that same tournament.
4 - Raonic. Well, IMHO he doesn't have the game to win a Slam, maybe the US Open if they speed it up a bit. So, quite hard for him to challenge Djokovic.
5 - The real challenge, outside of a resurrect from Murray, comes from the youngsters that are now U21. So it'll take at least 3 to four years to reach "No1" level.
So yeh, right now it seems only injuries can prevent Djokovic from getting close to Feds ranking. But tennis can chance at the blink of an eye, so we'll see.
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The Green Mile
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Don't be so sure about that. Djokovic is a perfect build for a tennis player. He rarely gets injured, super fit and has great movement and flexibility. His ground game is still strong and now improved his serving and net play.
Plus the rest of the tour is weak. It is very possible Nole can continue at the top for at least next 4-5 years and put Nadal and federer's slams and other big records under huge threat. He easily the best roght now and this is a key year for djoker to try dominate and make a charge towards more greatness!
No, I think it's just a matter of time (not 4-5 years) before the next group (Or even next 1-2 players) take over. Yes, there are having a real tough time trying to, mainly because of how dominant the Big 3 have been. I think Djokovic will still be close to the top ranking though. I would be extremely surprised and impressed if he manages to get over 250 weeks at #1. I remember feeling the same way about Federer a couple of times before. This domination won't last for as long as some people make it out to be, imo...
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