oldest racket still in production should be the POG, I believe it's been around with minor changes since 1977 or so...
I read somewhere Dunlop as a very small factory in India just to keep a small production of they're legendary Maxplay, apparently they still have some real loyal old school clients there
Well, we know of several people on this board who were new to the PS 6.0 85 who bought the re-issue. I also never used the PS 6.0 85 back in the day but now use re-issue.I wonder though how many new customers buy the wilson 85? My guess is it's loyal customers of this racket from back in the day.
volkl v1 in its many renditions has been around awhile too.
oldest racket still in production should be the POG, I believe it's been around with minor changes since 1977 or so...
I read somewhere Dunlop as a very small factory in India just to keep a small production of they're legendary Maxplay, apparently they still have some real loyal old school clients there
yes but the last releases are cheaply made - they do not have that solid feel and solidity as early ones:
- Classic V1, 2006 release - on silver cosmetics
- Classic V1, 2000 release - in grey/black cosmetics (with Precise Frame written in throat area)
- Vario V1, 1994 release - the very first batch of this legendary racket.
Funny how two of the best racquets you can buy today (POG and PS 85) have been around for 37 and 32 years, respectively. So much for "new technology" in tennis racquets.It's got to be POG OS. And it'd still one of the best frames around.
Huh? How can new ones be made if they are not in production?The PS 85 is not in production. TW is the only place you can buy them and they bought a certain number to get production, but they are not currently being made. I would be surprised if, after these are gone, TW bought another run.
The POG was not in continuous production as it was phased out by Prince a few years ago under their previous ownership. Again, TW enticed them to make a run for them for a guaranteed number. The new owners of Prince have reinstated the frame.
Huh? How can new ones be made if they are not in production?
Besides, the PS 85 has NEVER ceased production. They were continuously being produced from the time they were first introduced in 1983. There were just a couple of short periods of time in which they were not being sold in the U.S., but they were still being sold in some other countries. Thus, they were always being produced by the factory.
If something never stopped being produced, then it never went out of production. I don't think the POG ever stopped being produced, either.
"In production" = currently being produced, as in new ones being manufactured.
So if you don't see it in Sweden then it must not exist in any other country in the entire world? Then I guess the Eiffel Tower must not exist because you never saw it in Sweden?I sure never saw one here in Sweden growing up... You've gotta have something to back that up, buddy!
Huh? How can new ones be made if they are not in production?
Besides, the PS 85 has NEVER ceased production. They were continuously being produced from the time they were first introduced in 1983. There were just a couple of short periods of time in which they were not being sold in the U.S., but they were still being sold in some other countries. Thus, they were always being produced by the factory.
If something never stopped being produced, then it never went out of production. I don't think the POG ever stopped being produced, either.
"In production" = currently being produced, as in new ones being manufactured.
So if you don't see it in Sweden then it must not exist in any other country in the entire world? Then I guess the Eiffel Tower must not exist because you never saw it in Sweden?
How about this?
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=237724
But why not include re-issues? Re-issues are still racquets that are in current production and sold in the current market. Besides, racquets like the PS 6.0 85 never ceased production. They were just sold only in selected markets. And even in the U.S. market, before the current TW re-issue, TW still sold the PS 6.0 85 for many years in the mid-to-late-2000's after they had been officially discontinued by Wilson. Now, that's one racquet that has survived all the technological changes over the past four decades.
I read somewhere Dunlop as a very small factory in India just to keep a small production of they're legendary Maxplay, apparently they still have some real loyal old school clients there
Ever heard of inventory? Please post the link on Wilson's website where the PS 85 is shown in their current lineup. Also show me where Wilson is currently producing and marketing the PS 85.
The POG was dropped several years ago and TW paid for a minimum run. The new owners brought it back. The previous owners totally committed to the O-port strategy which is what lead to Prince's downturn.
This is why TW had a clearance sale on the version they "brought back" when Prince re-introduced the POG.
But hey, don't let facts start swaying you now.
EDIT:
In case you're going to refer to an old picture with a Japanese price tag:
http://www.wilson.co.jp/products/list/w-tennis-racket.html
But they were still continuously produced.The PS85 was originally produced in Chicago, then St Vincent before be moved to China manufacturing plant and all rackets are different.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7112945&postcount=3
I don't think so, because even earlier when the PS 6.0 85 was no longer widely available in the U.S., they still sold them in Japan with Japan-only graphics on them. Thus, they were still being newly produced for Japan.Cool!
Though it could just be clearing out NOS sticks, none of us really knows about that!
What I DO know however is that it was never here during the early 2000's, and perhaps not even sold in all of Europe, and for that claim I'm going by the catalogue of a huge Dutch mail-order company who in its heyday were TWE and a bit more and still are their main competitor. Never did I see one in their catalogues...
Again, "in production" = currently being produced, as in new ones being manufactured.
Marketing has nothing to do with it. Companies will continue to manufacture products that they don't bother to market any longer because they've been in the market already for a long time. Companies mostly spend their marketing dollars on NEW products. So just because Wilson does not list the PS 6.0 85 "in their current line-up" does not mean they are not being produced and is still in production.
It is NOT old inventory. All the PS 6.0 85's being sold by TW are recent production, not 10 year-old inventory. All of mine came with BLX butt caps on them.
As long as something is being produced, it is "in production". Same with the POG. You're confusing marketing with manufacturing.
Is Wilson obligated to sell everything it makes on its online store?Again, simply provide a link to Wilson's website that lists the PS 85. BLX butt caps don't mean diddly as BLX has been around for some time now. BLX hasn't been around ten years, but it has been around. I don't remember the exact date TW bought a run, but BLX was probably extant at the time.
Here is a link to the Wilson store. If the PS 85 was still produced, one would logically think Wilson would sell it. Maybe you can find it on their online store:
http://www.wilson.com/en-us/tennis/rackets/
I cannot.
Edit:
Please note that if you had an inclination and the cash, Wilson would happily make a minimum order for you. So the question then is semantics. Production to me indicates something regularly made and marketed. What you are describing is in my view a special order or one off; no matter that one store in Japan and one in the US orders a run, it's not production...it's a special order. To say "continually in production" then is a falsehood.
Yep, and over in the corner is a little old, white-haired man making PS 6.0 85s. :wink:"Yeah I got lost one time walking around New Delhi and I wandered down this alley and through a bazaar, I happened to poke my head into a small warehouse and there, to my shock and surprise, were stacks of new Dunlop Maxply Forts being sold for 2000 rupees. I didn't have time to buy one but the memory of that warehouse has haunted me ever since...."
But what really is the definition of a "re-issue"? Is it only a racquet that ceased production for some period of time and then production was started again some years later? Such as when Dunlop recently began producing the MW 200G and the HM 300G again after having stopped producing them for many years? Is that the definition of a "re-issue"?To repeat my original question:
"What's ('re) the oldest racket(s) still in production and readily available today? Not considering the re-issues."
Note the AND logic as well as the 'not considering the re-issues'
Yes, some rackets are still in production (by whatever means), but are not readily available (as in my part of the world).
Yes, some rackets are still in production (by whatever means), but they are re-issues, which fail the criteria of MY question.
So, what rackets out there meet the criteria in my original question?
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Is Wilson obligated to sell everything it makes on its online store?
How do you know Wilson lists every single one of the frames that they make on their website if it's NOT on their website? Do you happen to work at the Wilson factory in China?You simply cannot be that obtuse, or maybe you can.
So Wilson would knowingly and deliberately not put one of their current frames on their website where they sell all of their other frames? Just the one???? The entire product line save the ProStaff 85 is on the website???? Every single racquet except the ProStaff....
Yeah.....you're right........it's just the one that Wilson chooses to make and not sell......that's it.....
Since TW brought back the PS 6.0 85 in 2011, they have received many thousands of frames from Wilson (I've asked). No way Wilson had that many frames sitting around for that long for that many years.BP: I do believe these are a new run of the PS85, however:
1) the buttcap thing may be misleading as if Wilson had the old pile of sticks sitting somewhere, they would most likely sit there in the hairpin form and not wrapped up with a 15 year old leather.
2) As someone pointed out, for some cash, wilson will do a min production run. The fact that TW has the exclusivity on these (according to TW) tells me that is exactly what happened.
I wonder though how many new customers buy the wilson 85? My guess is it's loyal customers of this racket from back in the day.