federer? no. no chance. nadal? defintely.
Actually, I dont think that's the big issue. All that's really happening here is Fed is forced to come to net on every point behind a very weak approach shot (underhand serve and return inside the service line). Once he's at net, even behind these weak approaches, anyone below 5.0 is going to have a hell of a time getting it by him. I think folks underestimate how quick these top guys are at net (and how quickly they can get to the net)- they move like cats. I think the hard part for Fed would not be taking all the balls in the air but rather consistently returning a decent server's ball inside the service line.I think you killed it with the "not bounce" proviso...
Actually, I dont think that's the big issue. All that's really happening here is Fed is forced to come to net on every point behind a very weak approach shot (underhand serve and return inside the service line). Once he's at net, even behind these weak approaches, anyone below 5.0 is going to have a hell of a time getting it by him. I think folks underestimate how quick these top guys are at net (and how quickly they can get to the net)- they move like cats. I think the hard part for Fed would not be taking all the balls in the air but rather consistently returning a decent server's ball inside the service line.
A backspin serve gives him significantly more time to come to the net, and while he's certainly no speed demon, can probably cover a large amount of net should you try to pass. and a backspin shot of your own would probably be easily read.If you can't beat Federer under these circumstances, you either suck at tennis or respect Federer too much to beat him. You can hit attack the underarm serve before Roger can even get to the net. You also get enough time to put so much backspin on the ball that it bounces back from Roger's side to your side of the court. Or just aim for the body when he comes to the net. Make frightened to come to the net. It doesn't matter if it's Roger or a 3.0 level player. On a weak shot, you don't approach the net or you get embarrassed.
A backspin serve gives him significantly more time to come to the net, and while he's certainly no speed demon, can probably cover a large amount of net should you try to pass. and a backspin shot of your own would probably be easily read.
Oh no doubt, I hate those players. The funky spinners. I was good at it for a while because I decided that I was just going to annoy the **** out of everyone I played, but I was never so good at it that it really helped too much.I meant a backspin return, not serve. If you're very good at it, you will win the majority of points even against RF under these rules. Roger is so good that I suppose he would win games even under these circumstances. But it would be so frustrating even for him to be forced to play like that lol
Yes, it is clearly the Silly Season!I've come to expect these types of threads during the slow parts of the season.
same here, man. i have a firend who is 5.0 beat a player ranked ATP 160. good timesFed or Djokovic would beat most 4.5 or 5.0 players 6-0 most sets.....but not all the time.
A few good accurate serves,a unforced error from Fed and just one high quality or lucky baseline shot and the game is all over.
The differences at the top,from players ranked 1 to 1500 players are actually quite small.
Between a 4.5 and a player ranked 1500 in the world---- the difference is greater.
Have a friend who is a decent 5.0 level,he played a player ranked around 350 and he lost 3-6.3-6.
They are the best players but you would be surprised,they are not head and shoulders above a good 5.0
If you can't beat Federer under these circumstances, you either suck at tennis or respect Federer too much to beat him. You can attack the underarm serve before Roger can even get to the net. You also get enough time to put so much backspin on the ball that it bounces back from Roger's side to your side of the court. Or just aim for the body when he comes to the net. Make him frightened to come to the net. It doesn't matter if it's Roger or a 3.0 level player. On a weak shot, you don't approach the net or you get embarrassed.
Then 4.5 is a very very poor standard.Federer would win most all points, even playing with those rules and with a frying pan, against most all NTRP 4.5 and lesser players.
I think 3 is what makes it possible to win games of him, perhaps even the match for some of the best ones here. Me, at 4.0 or so, doubt I could win more than games even under these circumstances.(1) Roger has to serve underhand;
(2) Roger's return of serve cannot bounce beyond the service line; and
(3) Other than your serve, the ball cannot bounce on Roger's side of the court (that is, he has to volley every shot but your serve).
I don't think you play tennis or know what a 4.5 is to make this kind of assessment. A 4.5 with decent speed and volleying skills would have a good shot at winning the match even if Fed played with his usual racquet under these circumstances. Fed is no longer playing tennis with this set of rules.Federer would win most all points, even playing with those rules and with a frying pan, against most all NTRP 4.5 and lesser players.
You'd have a much easier time breaking serve than holding. If Roger could only hit underhanded serves, then I'd just belt forehands the entire match. I mean, you're basically asking if Federer could win all of his service games when required to volley short sitters. I don't even think Pat Rafter could pull that off against a club player with a big forehand.
Unless Fed could hit underhand serves with tons of slice that skid very low. I think he's talented enough to do so. Those balls wouldn't be your regular sitters you get when you play the local pusher.
this is true.. im surprised that a lot of people say that they wouldnt even get one game,come on,i would beat him definitely
The laws of physics don't apply to Roger Federer. Apparently, he can hit a underhand serve with a supercharged slice that bounces one millimeter off the ground.
The laws of physics don't apply to Roger Federer. Apparently, he can hit a underhand serve with a supercharged slice that bounces one millimeter off the ground.
Actually, I dont think that's the big issue. All that's really happening here is Fed is forced to come to net on every point behind a very weak approach shot (underhand serve and return inside the service line). Once he's at net, even behind these weak approaches, anyone below 5.0 is going to have a hell of a time getting it by him. I think folks underestimate how quick these top guys are at net (and how quickly they can get to the net)- they move like cats. I think the hard part for Fed would not be taking all the balls in the air but rather consistently returning a decent server's ball inside the service line.
Actually, I dont think that's the big issue. All that's really happening here is Fed is forced to come to net on every point behind a very weak approach shot (underhand serve and return inside the service line). Once he's at net, even behind these weak approaches, anyone below 5.0 is going to have a hell of a time getting it by him. I think folks underestimate how quick these top guys are at net (and how quickly they can get to the net)- they move like cats. I think the hard part for Fed would not be taking all the balls in the air but rather consistently returning a decent server's ball inside the service line.
I play tennis and I've watched local challenger level tournament from the first row. People have really NO CLUE how freakish athletes these pro players are. The foot speed around the court is out of this world. A NTRP 4.5 is just your average joe guy who can even be overweight. Sure, they are relatively good in hitting the tennis ball, but they're SO SLOW in comparison to pros!I don't think you play tennis or know what a 4.5 is to make this kind of assessment. A 4.5 with decent speed and volleying skills would have a good shot at winning the match even if Fed played with his usual racquet under these circumstances. Fed is no longer playing tennis with this set of rules.
Typical 4.5 is a middle-aged overweight non-athlete with okayish strokes.Then 4.5 is a very very poor standard.
same here, man. i have a firend who is 5.0 beat a player ranked ATP 160. good times
"All that's really happening" is he's trotting to net on suicide missions.
Good net players come in on their own terms, not yours. While John McEnroe, Stefan Edberg, Boris Becker and Pat Rafter are some of the finest net players in the last 40 years, I doubt any of them could consistently hold serve against any good 4.0/4.5 player doing what the OP has described.
Typical 4.5 is a middle-aged overweight non-athlete with okayish strokes.
I'd argue he's going to be sprinting, not trotting, to the net on suicide missions - that's a big difference. I'd also argue that against players below 5.0 it ain't gonna seem like a suicide mission to him - it's just another day at the office.
I don't care how freakish of an athlete you are; you can't cover the entire court to get to a well-hit volley or a fast groundstroke before it bounces.I play tennis and I've watched local challenger level tournament from the first row. People have really NO CLUE how freakish athletes these pro players are. The foot speed around the court is out of this world. A NTRP 4.5 is just your average joe guy who can even be overweight. Sure, they are relatively good in hitting the tennis ball, but they're SO SLOW in comparison to pros!
So how do you think an average 4.5 would handle Federer's chip return, or angled FH return? Not well, with the lacking foot speed! Federer would own your serve.I don't care how freakish of an athlete you are; you can't cover the entire court to get to a well-hit volley or a fast groundstroke before it bounces.
The thing is that typical 4.5 is VERY GOOD in hitting the ball, but very average as an athlete, nothing more special than your average regular running or gym trainer.If you're defining "non-athlete" as someone not in the top quintile of athleticism (for one's age, let's say), I'll agree with you here. But relative to the entire population (including the huge number of folks who don't play any sports at all because they are truly not athletic), I'd say the typical 4.5 is a middle-aged, average-to-better-than-average athlete with okayish strokes. The shocking thing is that 4.5 is at the 95th percentile of ability among active tennis players (according to the USTA)... of course that may say less about folks who are 4.5+, and more about the folks below them.
The thing is that typical 4.5 is VERY GOOD in hitting the ball, but very average as an athlete, nothing more special than your average regular running or gym trainer.