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Thanks for the response. I do get one can't pick one component; not in tennis anyway, there are too many variables. I've been with the Angell 97 about 3-4 weeks now and at the point where I'm trying to figure out where I need to microadjust my own strokes - I'm employing more topspin then ever, which is a great thing, but I'm yet to swing freely and confidently with it, so I'm trying to understand where this comes from.
it takes time, it took me 8-12 weeks just to get a string setup that let me feel confident at certain shots like dtl. Also, i relaxed my swing significantly.

overall im one of the least traditional players with a very extreme topspin backhand but can also hit very flat (but that is rarer, i guess im highly variable).. and the tc95 appeals to me so much im not even tempted by the tc97.
 
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First time I heard of spraying silicone spray on strings. I researched a bit and what I found is that there is more spin production after the spray, correct?
However, I also heard the ball speed increases, which would have a negative effect in someone trying to keep tension maintenance, since the ball would sail longer.
Does the spray also have a direct or indirect effect on tension maintenance?


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ive seen no effect on tension, just string snapback
 

Nick B.

New User
How about full RS Lyon?
Did you always like syn gut on your racquets or is it a specific TC90 adaptation?
It's not new for me - I do like syngut in general, but don't like how it notches and moves (never have). I will check out RS Lyon at some point - thank you for the suggestion.
 

saleem

Semi-Pro
First string job and a couple grommets were ruined.

Although I knew it could happen - it was said here - I forgot to warn my stringer. However, this never happened to me before: I've been stringing with the same guy for ages; the stick I used was a Radical Ti) around 15 years old racquet) and been using Max Power Rough for one year


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Paul's suggestion on stringing with shaped strings "It's essential to pull the strings through in line with the grommet and only pull tension on the final part."
 

scf

Semi-Pro
Paul's suggestion on stringing with shaped strings "It's essential to pull the strings through in line with the grommet and only pull tension on the final part."
English is not my first language, so to clarify this. Does this mean that you pull every string by hand until it stops and then pull the tension with the machine?
 

saleem

Semi-Pro
English is not my first language, so to clarify this. Does this mean that you pull every string by hand until it stops and then pull the tension with the machine?
that is how I read this also, on shaped strings pull it by hand through the grommets and tighten it with machine.
I follow this rule on natural gut strings to save the strings from burns.
 
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saleem

Semi-Pro
I wish Paul give us (next frame in Angell line) a stick with feel of TC95 63 and TC97 maneuverability :cool:
I added 8 grams at 7" around 6 grams in the trap door, added shock shield grip that increased the the weight by 9 grams roughly around 4.5" location 5 grams over grip, few grams at 9-3 making it 9 HL, my TC95s are very maneuverable.
 

tribesmen

Professional
I have so 95 in both versions and 97 18x20, all three are approx 8-9 HL, I know it's not a swing weight, but for some reason the game with 97 is much easier than with 95.
 

skuludo

Professional
I capped the Pro Tour 280. Then added head tape. That felt like my Tfight 315 Ltd 18m. Then when I wrapped some more Sorbothane in the handle, and the racket response felt a bit firmer. It felt like the TC 97 18x20 that I bought from dgoran.
 

zalive

Hall of Fame
Not yet, but I am reading this with interest and I'll try it to see the changes.

I've sent already my customizing excel to many players on the board. It calculates the other relevant specs from weight, balance and SW and also calculates specs change upon adding or removing mass.
It however includes MgR/I calculations.
Anyone interested is welcome to send me the e-mail on private and I'll send the excel.


Anyway, so far I've received enough feedback from players stating how MgR/I of 21 suited their game, or a value close to it (like 20.9). So while it's not every player. a lot players find it really good for their game. But let's say this value might be personal, not necessarily 21, not necessarily close. Still, as it is important to your swing and timing, it's a good thing to understand realize what is the value of MgR/I you prefer, as it is at least as important as your other specs.

Typical MgR/I of TC95 will depend on chosen custom specs option, however TC95 is sligthly stock polarized with thick graphite layup, so it is pretty likely it will have its MgR/I significantly below 21. Now, if you're used to playing with a racquet with MgR/I 21 or close to this value, you'll need more time to adjust to TC95, but why going through this when you can customize it in a way you can play some great tennis immediately? Besides, the added value of compensating MgR/I is you will have to spend least energy on swinging the racquet.

I think I wrote it, but the biggest compliment to my setups is when I had few two hour hitting sessions with a player who otherwise swings with 330-335 grams racquets. He was surprised when I told him he swung with racquets which had 20-25 grams more. So I asked him did he find it hard to swing it. He said he didn't have trouble. He wasn't tired, his swings didn't slow down and what's even better, he's barely playing tennis during winter season, perhaps once a month average. So his fitness level wasn't great eather. Anyway, what can be better test than this? Two hours of pure groundstroke hitting, with much more strokes exchanged than during a match.

For me, this is it, as I'm not super fit myself, if I don't find it hard to swing with 355-360 g setups with 350+ SW and I'm not really fit, then I must have done a good job. And if this is so, no one should be frightened if calculations say he should actually add 10-12 grams at 7'' mark or at the throat. It's important to throw away any mental obstacle in start, any mental rule which might state to you in advance 'ok, this is going to be too much for me', because if you open your mind, try and just observe, you will see how things can be different to what you might believe. Actually pro players specs are closer to rec players physical ability then you might think, but the secret lies in careful customization.
 

beltsman

G.O.A.T.
FYI my TC100 is open for sale. Not because I hate it but because I'm exploring selling this one to buy another TC100 rather than heavy tinkering on this one, and my wallet has limitations!
 

MMQB14

Rookie
I've sent already my customizing excel to many players on the board. It calculates the other relevant specs from weight, balance and SW and also calculates specs change upon adding or removing mass.
It however includes MgR/I calculations.
Anyone interested is welcome to send me the e-mail on private and I'll send the excel.

Anyway, so far I've received enough feedback from players stating how MgR/I of 21 suited their game, or a value close to it (like 20.9). So while it's not every player. a lot players find it really good for their game. But let's say this value might be personal, not necessarily 21, not necessarily close. Still, as it is important to your swing and timing, it's a good thing to understand realize what is the value of MgR/I you prefer, as it is at least as important as your other specs.

Typical MgR/I of TC95 will depend on chosen custom specs option, however TC95 is sligthly stock polarized with thick graphite layup, so it is pretty likely it will have its MgR/I significantly below 21. Now, if you're used to playing with a racquet with MgR/I 21 or close to this value, you'll need more time to adjust to TC95, but why going through this when you can customize it in a way you can play some great tennis immediately? Besides, the added value of compensating MgR/I is you will have to spend least energy on swinging the racquet.

@zalive

Good post. I have used MgR/I calculations for a few years now. Usually with rackets around the 12oz/340gr static weight with a 8pt HL balance and a SW around 320. However, I find that with the Angell rackets I am struggling to find the right range. I ordered my TC95 already with a good MgR/I value in mind. Strung specs: 338gr/317mm balance/318 SW. However, against the two better hitters on my club team I had trouble getting the racket around resp. was late on the forehand. Slight twinges of GE ensued.

I actually went the other way and took weight off. I am now at strung specs of 327gr/327mm balance/321 SW, with a MgR/I at 21.06. This plays much better for me on the forehand and even the serve and the elbow feels fine again. I think the stock polarization of the TC95 plays a factor in this regard. Addendum: I also think that the Angell rackets and their dense foam-fill together with the graphice lay-up actually allow you to play at a much lighter weight that you would with other rackts. They are that solid.

It remains to be seen whether this lower static weight holds up against the two better hitters (4.5/5.0 level).
 
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saleem

Semi-Pro
@zalive

Good post. I have used MgR/I calculations for a few years now. Usually with rackets around the 12oz/340gr static weight with a 8pt HL balance and a SW around 320. However, I find that with the Angell rackets I am struggling to find the right range. I ordered my TC95 already with a good MgR/I value in mind. Strung specs: 338gr/317mm balance/318 SW. However, against the two better hitters on my club team I had trouble getting the racket around resp. was late on the forehand. Slight twinges of GE ensued.

I actually went the other way and took weight off. I am now at strung specs of 327gr/327mm balance/321 SW, with a MgR/I at 21.06. This plays much better for me on the forehand and even the serve and the elbow feels fine again. I think the stock polarization of the TC95 plays a factor in this regard.

It remains to be seen whether this lower static weight holds up against the two better hitters (4.5/5.0 level).
MMQBI4 is that strung sw 321? that seems low for TC95.
 

MMQB14

Rookie
MMQBI4 is that strung sw 321? that seems low for TC95.
Yes it is strung SW. I asked Paul for a low SW frame: 320gr/317mm/288SW. Also I have a 70 RA TC 95 16x19. Added 1 gr of lead at 12 o'clock to get me ro 321.

I initially played a TC 97 with an unstrung SW of 301. Strung SW was 334. Pulled to much on my surgically repaired shoulder on the serve and on my elbow on the forehand...old sports injuries...and at 49yrs of age realism sets in :(

Therefore I primarily play the Angell frames for comfort and tennis life longetivity.
 

Lord Anomander

Professional
How many days from order to ship? Did you get a shipping notice email? I'm patiently waiting for my TC95 18x20 70RA to go with my two TC100 Pros.

I had to wait 5 weeks, but only because the TC100 63RA wasn't available when I ordered it. I received an email when it was shipped - summarized my order and contained a DHL tracking number.
 
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Deleted member 742196

Guest
Disagree, I had the exact opposite impression. TC 95 for more modern topspin centred strokes and TC 97 rather for flatter, more crafty play.

I'm with you on this assertion. Coming off a PS85, I've responded better to the TC97. Actually I find flat strokes with the TC97 to be incredible - dare I say it, even better than the PS85!

Recently I've been hitting with both the PS85 and TC97 in a final determination if I'm going to make the switch. So far [comparative]:

FH Topspin: TC97
FH Flat: TC97
FH Slice: TC97
FH Volley: PS85
BH Topspin: TC97
BH Flat: PS85
BH Slice: TC97
BH Volley: PS85
Serve: PS85
FH Return of Serve: TC97
BH Return of Serve: TC97

Sure, it may be my own strokes, the adjustment to the TC97 has been surprisingly smooth - within a week I'd become comfortable with the TC97. I'm almost 2 months in and sometimes can't believe how incredible the transition has been. So incredulous and disbelieving, I even pulled out all my rackets to see just what in the world was happening.

Volkl powerbridge mid - TC97 and PS85 still.
PS90 - TC97 and PS85 still.
Babolat Pure Strike Tour - TC97 and PS85 still.
Gamma RZR 100M - Ugh, how did I ever use this thing?
TC95 - TC97 and PS85 still.

Note my TC97 specs:
320/10HL
16/19
27.25"
Grip A - leather
Hybrid setup - Gut mains @53/Poly crosses@51

*Personally, I think it's the box beam that makes the difference, it seems to have an effect on my racket takeback with the non-dominant arm.
 
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Deleted member 742196

Guest
Got my custom TC97 today so I'm in the A Club. 13 days from order to ship, DHL 1 day from UK to middle of US!

Haha, congratulations. Really, the effort and work that some of the guys have put in on these boards has gone a long way - welcome to the A Club.
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
Just got mine RDC'd or should I say prince precision tuned by nice guys over at usta national campus and they are
344 31.9 348
 

CosmosMpower

Hall of Fame
I'm about to order a 27,5 tc95 18x20 myself. I want to test it against my 27,5 tc97 18x20. But I did get the 70ra because the high SW (355) of my tc97 is in part why I believe my serve speed is slower (by about 5mph).

Well that's the theory I'm testing as I don't get the same whip effect on the serve with my 27,5 tc97 as I do with my 27in tc95 63ra 16x19. It's also because any theory is good to test if it involves getting a new Angell frame... :)

Let me know how it plays and also what the SW turns out to be once strung.

It was 371 sw strung with poly and 350 strung cut down to 27".
 

gvsbdisco

Semi-Pro
Settling in with two TC97s. Initially to adjust to the racquet I am very conscious of having an arm friendly set up. So currently I have thick multi mains (PPC 15) and slick poly crosses (WS Silverstring). I would like to try a full bed of poly though after the current strings break. In past racquets I have used Silverstring at 35 lbs (Dunlop AG300 4d) with success. Curious if any of you string low with silverstring with the TC97s, and if so, how low before things get goofy? Oh, I also picked up some luxilon element to try out. thoughts on tension for that string given the above background? Thanks in advance.
 

ChipNCharge

Professional
For you folks located in the USA, how long did it take from the time you placed your order for custom built Angell racquets until the time they showed up on your doorstep?


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Nick B.

New User
For you folks located in the USA, how long did it take from the time you placed your order for custom built Angell racquets until the time they showed up on your doorstep?
For me,I ordered it online on Sunday, and had it in my hands the following Thursday. Not bad at all! I think the time from order => shipment can vary based on numerous factors, but that was my experience.
 

galapagos

Hall of Fame
Its fast. Its worldwide. End of story ;p ITS A CUSTOM equipment. You guys probably dont know that but in the musicians world for a "boutique" gear you have to wait approx 1 month and still there were horror stories about paid gears that never arrived home, no email response, nothing.
With Angell you might wait few days for a specific answer via email but you will get it for sure. He's got huge respect for a customer. True definition of custom/boutique service. I will have my tc95 18x20 this friday most likely. Still havent picked the strings for a first ride ;p Thinking about hyper g and silverstring.
 
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joohan

Guest
Its fast. Its worldwide. End of story ;p ITS A CUSTOM equipment. You guys probably dont know that but in the musicians world for a "boutique" gear you have to wait approx 1 month and still there were horror stories about paid gears that never arrived home, no email response, nothing.
With Angell you might wait few days for a specific answer via email but you will get it for sure. He's got huge respect for a customer. True definition of custom/boutique service. I will have my tc95 18x20 this friday most likely. Still havent picked the strings for a first ride ;p Thinking about hyper g and silverstring.

In guitars I'm a Godin guy. Not custom like Angell but as good and reliable as Yonex is in tennis universe. Try Silverstring.
 
In guitars I'm a Godin guy. Not custom like Angell but as good and reliable as Yonex is in tennis universe. Try Silverstring.
Some of my guitars are 1 of a kinds... they took a long time and a lot of trust with no real guarantees of being great. One surprise was the Frankenstrat I assembled myself in grad school. With guitars there are so many variables. For tennis I find I like less variety and just groove 1 stick.
 
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joohan

Guest
Some of my guitars are 1 of a kinds... they took a long time and a lot of trust with no real guarantees of being great. One surprise was the Frankenstrat I assembled myself in grad school. With guitars there are so many variables. For tennis I find I like less variety and just groove 1 stick.

Well sound is a much more complex phenomenon than classical mechanics of tennis, imho. At least as far as electric guitars with all the piezoelectric/electromagnetic pick ups,midis, boxes, pedals, amps and other stuff is concerned. What they have in common, as David Gilmour says, is that from certain point it's all about the fingers...
 

CosmosMpower

Hall of Fame
I've gone off the rails and bought my 4th Angell/Vantage frame. This one is a Vantage TC95 16x19 63RA. From what I understand this is the exact same racquet as the current Angell TC95 Custom just with older paint/cosmetics under the old brand name. Is this accurate? If so the pallets and grommets from the current Angell TC95/97 should fit the older Vantage right?
 
I've gone off the rails and bought my 4th Angell/Vantage frame. This one is a Vantage TC95 16x19 63RA. From what I understand this is the exact same racquet as the current Angell TC95 Custom just with older paint/cosmetics under the old brand name. Is this accurate? If so the pallets and grommets from the current Angell TC95/97 should fit the older Vantage right?
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