Head Velocity

emn8 · Aug 25, 2017

ByeByePoly said:
The old PS had a RA 66 ... definitely felt less stiff than the PD 72 I changed from. I have played RA from 60 to 72 ... and my preference is mid ... the V1 68 feels in that range. I actually played some of my best baseline tennis with Yonnex RDIS 200 lite RA 61 ... But prefer more pop. Probably one of those things where preference doesn't match how one actually plays. I had a harder time getting string/tension right with the flexible racquet.

I only hit the ultra for a few minutes... But I would have been the old man version of Nadal spin. I should have hit some volleys with that fly swatter.

Hard to not agree with a lot of what you say. Mid tension stiffness seems to be about right for me to. The Blades are 65RA I think and not so different from the PS you played with. I have a Textreme 100P (62RA) somewhere in the garage. Great stick but low powered and you really need to pair it with something powerful otherwise you would need to swing for the fences (or mod the hell out of it) getting older now so not sure that playstyle is for me. Would love to have a hit with V1 and see why it's a much loved and appreciated stick. Not come across the RDIS 200..might have to have a look at its specs.

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wangs78 · Aug 25, 2017

Has anyone used Velocity as a cross string with natural gut mains? I recently played a hybrid with nat gut mains and 4G crosses and loved it. However, I still have several packets of Velocity and want to put it to good use, just not in a full bed as it gives me too little power. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

ByeByePoly · Aug 26, 2017

wangs78 said:
Has anyone used Velocity as a cross string with natural gut mains? I recently played a hybrid with nat gut mains and 4G crosses and loved it. However, I still have several packets of Velocity and want to put it to good use, just not in a full bed as it gives me too little power. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/head-velocity.586942/#post-11122371

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/head-velocity.586942/page-6#post-11228991

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/head-velocity.586942/page-6#post-11229149

ByeByePoly · Aug 26, 2017

emn8 said:
Hard to not agree with a lot of what you say. Mid tension stiffness seems to be about right for me to. The Blades are 65RA I think and not so different from the PS you played with. I have a Textreme 100P (62RA) somewhere in the garage. Great stick but low powered and you really need to pair it with something powerful otherwise you would need to swing for the fences (or mod the hell out of it) getting older now so not sure that playstyle is for me. Would love to have a hit with V1 and see why it's a much loved and appreciated stick. Not come across the RDIS 200..might have to have a look at its specs.

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The RDIS 200 was a 2010 (I think) racquet. It's the only Yonex I ever hit. I came away thinking Yonex was quality ... I would definitely demo Yonex racquets if I wanted to change from V1 (I don't

). I came close to trying the Ezone and Ezone DR when I bought the V1 for TE. Actually still curious. The RDIS 200 came in two flavors ... 11.7 and lite (11.0). I bought the 11.7 and it was to heavy for me at the time. Ironically ... now V1 playing at 11.6 with two tournagrip og. I picked up the lite version from my stringer (old demo), and immediately loved it. I still have it in my bag ... no idea why. I gave the 11.7 to a friend. It would be interesting to hit it now that I like that weight. One day I did pull out the RDIS hitting the ball machine ... and compared to the V1. Wow ... I liked the V1 now so much more it wasn't even close. I need/want the extra pop ... coupled with a control string.

wangs78 · Aug 26, 2017

ByeByePoly said:
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/head-velocity.586942/#post-11122371

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/head-velocity.586942/page-6#post-11228991

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/head-velocity.586942/page-6#post-11229149

Thanks!

TennisBoysCousin · Aug 26, 2017

wangs78 said:
Has anyone used Velocity as a cross string with natural gut mains? I recently played a hybrid with nat gut mains and 4G crosses and loved it. However, I still have several packets of Velocity and want to put it to good use, just not in a full bed as it gives me too little power. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

I really enjoyed og sheep micro mains, velocity crosses.

emn8 · Aug 27, 2017

ByeByePoly said:
The RDIS 200 was a 2010 (I think) racquet. It's the only Yonex I ever hit. I came away thinking Yonex was quality ... I would definitely demo Yonex racquets if I wanted to change from V1 (I don't ). I came close to trying the Ezone and Ezone DR when I bought the V1 for TE. Actually still curious. The RDIS 200 came in two flavors ... 11.7 and lite (11.0). I bought the 11.7 and it was to heavy for me at the time. Ironically ... now V1 playing at 11.6 with two tournagrip og. I picked up the lite version from my stringer (old demo), and immediately loved it. I still have it in my bag ... no idea why. I gave the 11.7 to a friend. It would be interesting to hit it now that I like that weight. One day I did pull out the RDIS hitting the ball machine ... and compared to the V1. Wow ... I liked the V1 now so much more it wasn't even close. I need/want the extra pop ... coupled with a control string.

Sounds like it might be worth keeping an RDIS in the bag...classic racquet. Need to have a look at the Yonex sticks again at some point. Did have a hit with a Duel G awhile back but not long enough to really form an opinion. Same goes for the V1..a lotta love for them on these boards.
Tested the devil spin with V yesterday. Overall very good...spin was good and a boost of power was a bonus. Control suffered a little but a tweak with tension next time out may remedy. Not sure durability is gonna be great..can see some notching already but I kind is suspected that from a twisted poly like Devil Spin. Plays well for such a cheap string. Will provide an update once I hit with some more..tension was 50/48.

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ByeByePoly · Aug 27, 2017

emn8 said:
Sounds like it might be worth keeping an RDIS in the bag...classic racquet. Need to have a look at the Yonex sticks again at some point. Did have a hit with a Duel G awhile back but not long enough to really form an opinion. Same goes for the V1..a lotta love for them on these boards.
Tested the devil spin with V yesterday. Overall very good...spin was good and a boost of power was a bonus. Control suffered a little but a tweak with tension next time out may remedy. Not sure durability is gonna be great..can see some notching already but I kind is suspected that from a twisted poly like Devil Spin. Plays well for such a cheap string. Will provide an update once I hit with some more..tension was 50/48.

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I keep the RDIS strung with 15g Xcel in the bag in case I need to let someone hit with one of my racquets. I hit the ball machine at a park ... you never know. I do know a "beginner" isn't touching the V1s.

I actually haven't seen a big V1 following here on TTW. The lighter V1 Classic was a popular TE racquet (at clubs) for 20 years. The V1 Pro was an attempt to add weight and interest someone looking for a "player" racquet. It would not interest players wanting max spin string pattern (tight 16 x19 ... probably plays close to 18 x 20). Also ... not HL enough for many, and have to bump up weight to get it more HL. I describe it as a more arm friendly ... less HL Pure Drive. The Pure Drive is popular because it is an easy racquet to hit for a broad range of players. I think V1 is similar ... and reflected in the ttw Volkl Organix V1 Pro review. I think most Volkl players pick Volkl for more of a players racquet ... more flex and more HL. The V1 turned out perfect for me because it was an easy change from my 2012 Pure Drive... and I actually prefer less HL than many. If I get to the point I want a lighter racquet, I would definitely try the classic. Maybe when I have to give up singles.

Clarky75 · Sep 13, 2017

I'm going to try this velocity I'm getting older and my arm can't take the polys either. I've been playing cyclone and rpm blast at 55lbs. When stringing a full bed of velocity how much are you guys increasing the tension by. Does it keep most of its tension until it breaks? Also comparing it with poly how is the feel of the velocity does it have the sane feel of a multi or less mushy? I'm just after a better feeling string than poly but not too soft and mushy

Oh I play a Wilson blade cv 16x19. I'm giving up on poly even in a hybrid so this string looks like the best option for me.

Traffic · Sep 13, 2017

Clarky75 said:
I'm going to try this velocity I'm getting older and my arm can't take the polys either. I've been playing cyclone and rpm blast at 55lbs. When stringing a full bed of velocity how much are you guys increasing the tension by. Does it keep most of its tension until it breaks? Also comparing it with poly how is the feel of the velocity does it have the sane feel of a multi or less mushy? I'm just after a better feeling string than poly but not too soft and mushy

Oh I play a Wilson blade cv 16x19. I'm giving up on poly even in a hybrid so this string looks like the best option for me.

I would string Velocity about middle of the range for your racquet. I'm assuming 55#?
It's got a firm but dead feel sort of like poly. But it's definitely softer. Give it a day to break in. It loses about 10% tension over the course of 1-2 outings and then doesn't really change until it breaks.

TennisBoysCousin · Sep 13, 2017

Clarky75 said:
I'm going to try this velocity I'm getting older and my arm can't take the polys either. I've been playing cyclone and rpm blast at 55lbs. When stringing a full bed of velocity how much are you guys increasing the tension by. Does it keep most of its tension until it breaks? Also comparing it with poly how is the feel of the velocity does it have the sane feel of a multi or less mushy? I'm just after a better feeling string than poly but not too soft and mushy

Oh I play a Wilson blade cv 16x19. I'm giving up on poly even in a hybrid so this string looks like the best option for me.

I thought velocity had excellent control at 57 pounds tension, but it was a bit muted. I would try stringing up velocity full bed to get the feel for it, then try a hybrid. Due to velocity's slick nature, it is an excellent cross string. I used og sheep micro mains, velocity cross in Angell 18x20 tc 97 bed, and it feels just about perfect. You could try full bed velocity, 16G natural in mains, 17g black in crosses?

Clarky75 · Sep 13, 2017

Thanks all I'm going to my stringer today to get my racquets strung with full bed of Velocity at 55

I've played poly for years so looking forward to trying this string out, will post up my feedback once I try it out

I had a hit of a friends racquet yesterday with a full bed of nxt control, I had forgotten what it was like to actually feel the ball on the strings. I was thinking that's that great feel from the 80s I remember

Power was hard to control. I went back to my full poly setup and instantly noticed that dead feel. This velocity interests me a lot as I love the control spin I get from poly, but as I've gotten older you start to notice the arm issues plus I normally leave the poly in too long as I never break it which exacerbates the issue. I'd rather have a string that breaks but plays well until the end. Thanks to all here for pointing this hidden gem out

Clarky75 · Sep 13, 2017

I was unable to get the 16g locally here in Australia, only 17g, so I will need to do an order from TW USA, unless you guys have ordered it all

ByeByePoly · Sep 14, 2017

Clarky75 said:
Thanks all I'm going to my stringer today to get my racquets strung with full bed of Velocity at 55

I've played poly for years so looking forward to trying this string out, will post up my feedback once I try it out

I had a hit of a friends racquet yesterday with a full bed of nxt control, I had forgotten what it was like to actually feel the ball on the strings. I was thinking that's that great feel from the 80s I remember Power was hard to control. I went back to my full poly setup and instantly noticed that dead feel. This velocity interests me a lot as I love the control spin I get from poly, but as I've gotten older you start to notice the arm issues plus I normally leave the poly in too long as I never break it which exacerbates the issue. I'd rather have a string that breaks but plays well until the end. Thanks to all here for pointing this hidden gem out

FB Velocity 16g "wakes up" around 52#. I liked fb 55# also, but you get plenty of conrol at 52, plus touch, dropshots better. I guess that could vary per racquet flex/power ... but our racquets should be close enough.

I also saw your post about rpm/sg. One of my friends (really good player) swears by his rpm/sensation. The sensation gets fuzzed up in a month, but he is ready to restring by then anyway.

Velocity is a weird multi... 52 should be to powerful. It's not. Some of the guys on this thread even went under 50. Also read @392Hemi posts on Velocity/Cream. He changed the feel of fb Velocity (way muted) to something he preferred with similar play.

TennisBoysCousin · Sep 14, 2017

ByeByePoly said:
FB Velocity 16g "wakes up" around 52#. I liked fb 55# also, but you get plenty of conrol at 52, plus touch, dropshots better. I guess that could vary per racquet flex/power ... but our racquets should be close enough.

I also saw your post about rpm/sg. One of my friends (really good player) swears by his rpm/sensation. The sensation gets fuzzed up in a month, but he is ready to restring by then anyway.

Velocity is a weird multi... 52 should be to powerful. It's not. Some of the guys on this thread even went under 50. Also read @392Hemi posts on Velocity/Cream. He changed the feel of fb Velocity (way muted) to something he preferred with similar play.

Do you string on a constant pull or lockout at that tension?

ByeByePoly · Sep 14, 2017

TennisBoysCousin said:
Do you string on a constant pull or lockout at that tension?

My stringer has a LO

emn8 · Sep 14, 2017

Agree with Traffic and ByeByePoly. Generally speaking 52+ should work great. In my Blade 18x20 CV's I have gone as low as 46. A little to lively but great for doubles and cushioned volleys and touch shots.

Currently have one with Velocity 16g/HyperG 17 @52/48
The other with Velocity 16g/SPPP 1.18 @ 50/44

Even with HyperG Velocity seems to last 12hrs plus before it notches and locks the stringbed. With SPPP it seems to be even better.

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ByeByePoly · Sep 14, 2017

emn8 said:
Agree with Traffic and ByeByePoly. Generally speaking 52+ should work great. In my Blade 18x20 CV's I have gone as low as 46. A little to lively but great for doubles and cushioned volleys and touch shots.

Currently have one with Velocity 16g/HyperG 17 @52/48
The other with Velocity 16g/SPPP 1.18 @ 50/44

Even with HyperG Velocity seems to last 12hrs plus before it notches and locks the stringbed. With SPPP it seems to be even better.

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I just tried poly again (my isospeed baseline thread) ... and my arm said no. I was going to try V/Baseline ... racquet is actually at stringer, but decided bye bye poly permanently. Done with poly ... again.

So next for me will be V 16 nat/V 17 black. Not sure where to start on tension. My main goal is straigt strings, secondary would be spin and feel. It's all V ... I can't mess the feel up.

So I like fb V 16 @52. FB 55 was fine ... not to tight for me ... just lost some feel. I assume 17 would add some feel / pop ... so I'm thinking starting at 55/52 ... or even 55/50.

Any input ... (others)?

Clarky75 · Sep 14, 2017

I'm also curious in regards to how the 17g plays in FB Velocity as opposed to the 16g. I am unable to get the 16g locally but can get the 17g. Just curious about the durability of this in 17g

ByeByePoly · Sep 14, 2017

Clarky75 said:
I'm also curious in regards to how the 17g plays in FB Velocity as opposed to the 16g. I am unable to get the 16g locally but can get the 17g. Just curious about the durability of this in 17g

I don't think anyone in this thread posted a comparison between 16g and 17g. My guess is we all picked one and stuck with it. I have only played with the 16g.

esgee48 · Sep 14, 2017

ByeByePoly said:
So next for me will be V 16 nat/V 17 black. Not sure where to start on tension. My main goal is straigt strings, secondary would be spin and feel. It's all V ... I can't mess the feel up.

So I like fb V 16 @52. FB 55 was fine ... not to tight for me ... just lost some feel. I assume 17 would add some feel / pop ... so I'm thinking starting at 55/52 ... or even 55/50.

When switching between same strings of different gauges, I normally drop tension ~5# going from 16 Ga to 17 Ga. If you want the same DT feel, 55/50. If you want more control, 55/52 or even 55/53.

BBP: Your stringer is probably why in the world he acquired you as a customer?
Conversation
Stringer Weren't you in here for Velocity and Poly?
BBP Yes.
Stringer Why are you back? Did I mess anything up?
BBP I changed my mind and you were right.
Stringer So why are you back?
BBP Changing strings, different cross.
Stringer [Rolls eyes and snickers]
BBP One more experiment!

ByeByePoly · Sep 14, 2017

esgee48 said:
When switching between same strings of different gauges, I normally drop tension ~5# going from 16 Ga to 17 Ga. If you want the same DT feel, 55/50. If you want more control, 55/52 or even 55/53.

BBP: Your stringer is probably why in the world he acquired you as a customer?
Conversation
Stringer Weren't you in here for Velocity and Poly?
BBP Yes.
Stringer Why are you back? Did I mess anything up?
BBP I changed my mind and you were right.
Stringer So why are you back?
BBP Changing strings, different cross.
Stringer [Rolls eyes and snickers]
BBP One more experiment!

It's like you were there.

MAPE · Sep 19, 2017

Clarky75 said:
I'm going to try this velocity I'm getting older and my arm can't take the polys either. I've been playing cyclone and rpm blast at 55lbs. When stringing a full bed of velocity how much are you guys increasing the tension by. Does it keep most of its tension until it breaks? Also comparing it with poly how is the feel of the velocity does it have the sane feel of a multi or less mushy? I'm just after a better feeling string than poly but not too soft and mushy

Oh I play a Wilson blade cv 16x19. I'm giving up on poly even in a hybrid so this string looks like the best option for me.

Try 24kg.

ByeByePoly · Sep 25, 2017

First hit with Velocity 16 natural @54 / Velocity 17 black @52. (One hour ball machine)

- right off stringer ... RT 53# (used same string factor 1.46 I had used with fb 16)

- RT 49.3 after 1 hour hit ... that seems different. With the 16g, it would lose around 10% over a couple of times, and then settle. This was most of that after one hit. It was right off the stringer with no time lapse, but that doesn't explain taking a couple of hits with the 16 to drop the 10%. ??? Will monitor

- 16/17 hybrid weighed the same as 16 fb, expected a little less weight. Maybe not with nylon so much as with poly?

- A little string movement with middle mains ... I don't expect this to fix the string movement. Minor movement ... will live with it.

Impression:

OK ... here was a weird start. On my first couple of hits, it felt like a totally different string. Very stiff, and unforgiving. I even glanced at the strings to make sure Velocity had made it into the racquet. I was tentative with the hamstring, so turns out my first couple of hits were not exactly in the center.

Also ... not exactly a lot of rhs. When I started trusting the leg ... and hitting the center... it felt like Velocity again. After hitting an hour ... my early thoughts:

- maybe a little more topspin, but marginal
- seems like a little more control on center hits, but a little less forgiving outside the center. Makes no sense to me. I hit fb Velocity 16g Natural 55lbs and I remember it being more forgiving. Velocity 17g is listed as 153 stiffness ... makes no sense. I will watch as it settles. This is a minor thing... not talking poly ... just something I noticed. I actually like this tension and control.

I am suppose to hit with a friend tomorrow. I will open a can of new balls and post results.

Dartagnan64 · Sep 25, 2017

Well I'm hour 13 into a fb Velocity 17 at 55 lbs. Some string movement happening but not as significant as other multis or Origin. Suspect the slippery coating is still doing something. Tension seems reasonable still and my accuracy and touch is still fine. No signs of significant wear.

I did play two sets on clay last night and wonder how the coating would hold up to regular clay play (since that is my surface of choice). Not likely to find out until the bubbles go up over the clay courts and I can get back to playing them regularly.

ByeByePoly · Sep 25, 2017

ByeByePoly said:
First hit with Velocity 16 natural @54 / Velocity 17 black @52. (One hour ball machine)

Black velocity marks the balls ... makes you feel powerful.

esgee48 · Sep 25, 2017

I have a rule of thumb when going from 16 Ga to 17 Ga. In order to have the same DT, I drop tension by 5#. The 17 Ga just has less cross sectional area to support the tension which means the cross section is actually experiencing more dynamic tension. People increase tensions when playing full bed because the 17 Ga will lose tension faster than 16 Ga and this is the only way to compensate for the tension loss. Your loss to 49# seems to be right for where the 16/17 will settle too since they're connected. I would expect the tension loss to continue but at a reduced rate because the 17 Ga just does not support tension as well as the 16 Ga.

edit: Maybe it's not the black strings, but BBP. It's actually pretty easy to mark balls. Just stencil the strings.

Dartagnan64 · Sep 25, 2017

ByeByePoly said:
Black velocity marks the balls ... makes you feel powerful.

You know I was noticing a few black lines on some of my balls the other day and didn't make connections to the strings. It comes off pretty quickly when they hit the court surface.

ByeByePoly · Sep 25, 2017

esgee48 said:
I have a rule of thumb when going from 16 Ga to 17 Ga. In order to have the same DT, I drop tension by 5#. The 17 Ga just has less cross sectional area to support the tension which means the cross section is actually experiencing more dynamic tension. People increase tensions when playing full bed because the 17 Ga will lose tension faster than 16 Ga and this is the only way to compensate for the tension loss. Your loss to 49# seems to be right for where the 16/17 will settle too since they're connected. I would expect the tension loss to continue but at a reduced rate because the 17 Ga just does not support tension as well as the 16 Ga.

Then the test will be where the 17 settles. Based on your comment, one would expect the initial 17g @52 to play like 16g @57. My arm agrees with that statement. Based on that, I would expect the crosses to hinder string slide/snapback initially at my starting tension. However, if the 17g loses tension to the point it's DT becomes less than the 16's DT ... more slide/snapback.

That's all fine if it happens after a hit or two ... not so much if it takes a long time. I will have to see how it plays after it settles to see if there is enough upside to go through a break in period. With the 16 ... good to go hour one until it breaks.

Traffic · Sep 25, 2017

esgee48 said:
I have a rule of thumb when going from 16 Ga to 17 Ga. In order to have the same DT, I drop tension by 5#. The 17 Ga just has less cross sectional area to support the tension which means the cross section is actually experiencing more dynamic tension. People increase tensions when playing full bed because the 17 Ga will lose tension faster than 16 Ga and this is the only way to compensate for the tension loss. Your loss to 49# seems to be right for where the 16/17 will settle too since they're connected. I would expect the tension loss to continue but at a reduced rate because the 17 Ga just does not support tension as well as the 16 Ga.

edit: Maybe it's not the black strings, but BBP. It's actually pretty easy to mark balls. Just stencil the strings.

Woah, I just lost you there. you set reference tension down when going from 16 to 17? Or you experience 5# less DT when going from 16 to 17?

ByeByePoly said:
Then the test will be where the 17 settles. Based on your comment, one would expect the initial 17g @52 to play like 16g @57. My arm agrees with that statement. Based on that, I would expect the crosses to hinder string slide/snapback initially at my starting tension. However, if the 17g loses tension to the point it's DT becomes less than the 16's DT ... more slide/snapback.

That's all fine if it happens after a hit or two ... not so much if it takes a long time. I will have to see how it plays after it settles to see if there is enough upside to go through a break in period. With the 16 ... good to go hour one until it breaks.

I play 17g and it settles 10% just like 16g. I thought the goal was to get the control of 16g and some of the pocketing and spin from the 17cross. But wouldn't you keep the tension similar to let the difference in gauges provide the individual characteristics you're trying to hybrid?

tennisnoob1949 · Sep 25, 2017

FWIW - I strung two of my racquets (both 90 sq inch) with Velocity FB. One at 60 and one at 57. I didn't find anything super special about this string. Feels easy on the arm, spin is ok but nowhere close to a poly (the TWU rating on spin seems unusually high when compared to how TWU rates some of the polys).

Maybe I should string a little lower to get more 'feel', but I think Velocity is too powerful for me to go lower than that - seems like I'm already over hitting at 57 and 60.

ByeByePoly · Sep 25, 2017

Traffic said:
Woah, I just lost you there. you set reference tension down when going from 16 to 17? Or you experience 5# less DT when going from 16 to 17?

I play 17g and it settles 10% just like 16g. I thought the goal was to get the control of 16g and some of the pocketing and spin from the 17cross. But wouldn't you keep the tension similar to let the difference in gauges provide the individual characteristics you're trying to hybrid?

My main goal trying 17g black cross was straighter strings... and if extra spin came with it that's a bonus. I have all the pocketing with V 16g "cr@ppy trampoline"

I want ... and good with spin also. My hope was that 17g black at a couple lbs less than the mains would allow a little more snapback than fb 16g and keep the strings straighter. I act like I have strings moving a lot, but I don't. It's just more than fb poly days.

Dartagnan64 · Sep 25, 2017

tennisnoob1949 said:
FWIW - I strung two of my racquets (both 90 sq inch) with Velocity FB. One at 60 and one at 57. I didn't find anything super special about this string. Feels easy on the arm, spin is ok but nowhere close to a poly (the TWU rating on spin seems unusually high when compared to how TWU rates some of the polys).

Maybe I should string a little lower to get more 'feel', but I think Velocity is too powerful for me to go lower than that - seems like I'm already over hitting at 57 and 60.

I think the whole idea is that it spins well and is easy on the arm. Nothing spins like poly IMO. But nothing is harder on your arm than poly. Sacrificing performance for health is no longer something I'm into. Been there, rehabbed that.

How powerful is your frame? I'm using a very low powered frame and don't launch balls at 55 lbs and could go lower I think. I think it might spin a bit more at lower tensions but also launch a bit higher.

ByeByePoly · Sep 25, 2017

tennisnoob1949 said:
FWIW - I strung two of my racquets (both 90 sq inch) with Velocity FB. One at 60 and one at 57. I didn't find anything super special about this string. Feels easy on the arm, spin is ok but nowhere close to a poly (the TWU rating on spin seems unusually high when compared to how TWU rates some of the polys).

Maybe I should string a little lower to get more 'feel', but I think Velocity is too powerful for me to go lower than that - seems like I'm already over hitting at 57 and 60.

My guess is if fb Velocity at 60 is to powerful for you than fb multi, gut and syn gut is out. Velocity is pretty low powered for nylon. PPC is lower powered than Velocity, but only marginally. Many say Rip C is lower powered ... I haven't hit it.

Feel isn't Velocity's strength, but then I would say the same thing about poly. I don't know how you get "feel" and "low powered". That said ... the feel of Velocity did improve for me noticeably @52 from 55. I don't think I would like Velocity above 55. At 55 it felt like great dull control (poly).

Not poly spin ... but surprisingly good.

tennisnoob1949 · Sep 25, 2017

ByeByePoly said:
My guess is if fb Velocity at 60 is to powerful for you than fb multi, gut and syn gut is out. Velocity is pretty low powered for nylon. PPC is lower powered than Velocity, but only marginally. Many say Rip C is lower powered ... I haven't hit it.

Feel isn't Velocity's strength, but then I would say the same thing about poly. I don't know how you get "feel" and "low powered". That said ... the feel of Velocity did improve for me noticeably @52 from 55. I don't think I would like Velocity above 55. At 55 it felt like great dull control (poly).

Not poly spin ... but surprisingly good.

Wow ... If Velocity is low powered, then I wonder how I ever played with any multi in the past.

ByeByePoly · Sep 25, 2017

tennisnoob1949 said:
Wow ... If Velocity is low powered, then I wonder how I ever played with any multi in the past.

Which multis?

tennisnoob1949 · Sep 25, 2017

ByeByePoly said:
Which multis?

Played with Sensation and NXT, 16 and 17. I don't find Velocity to be much lowered powered than those to be honest, but maybe I just don't remember (been a few months since I played with those)

ByeByePoly · Sep 25, 2017

tennisnoob1949 said:
Played with Sensation and NXT, 16 and 17. I don't find Velocity to be much lowered powered than those to be honest, but maybe I just don't remember (been a few months since I played with those)

I played Sensation for a lot of years, but too long ago. I played with RPM Blast for 5+ years since Sensation. For me, string power is probably more important than even spin. My test is a flatish dtl FH. If it sails ... not going to work. This spring coming back from TE I tried origin, ppc and Velocity. Power origin > velocity > ppc. I won't string past mid-tension.

Why were you trying Velocity? Are you trying to avoid poly also? That's really what this thread was ... looking for arm-friendly poly-like.

tennisnoob1949 · Sep 25, 2017

ByeByePoly said:
Why were you trying Velocity? Are you trying to avoid poly also? That's really what this thread was ... looking for arm-friendly poly-like.

I tried Yonex Poly Tour Pro before this, and absolutely loved it! the plushness and feel of that accompanied by the 'poly dip' at the end of every top spin was awesome. And the power was quite low, so did not have trouble taking full swings and keeping the ball in. The issue was tension maintenance - after about 10 hours, the feel was all gone and the strings actually felt loose.

Wanted to try an arm friendly string that did not lose as much tension - and saw the great reviews for Velocity on this forum. Some of the reviews led me to believe that it was lower powered than it actually is (after all, it is a multi) and there were lots of comments about how arm friendly it was. So wanted to try it out.

I strongly recommend YPTP if you are ok with restringing frequently and if you have the budget for it - it's a phenomenal string.

ByeByePoly · Sep 25, 2017

tennisnoob1949 said:
I tried Yonex Poly Tour Pro before this, and absolutely loved it! the plushness and feel of that accompanied by the 'poly dip' at the end of every top spin was awesome. And the power was quite low, so did not have trouble taking full swings and keeping the ball in. The issue was tension maintenance - after about 10 hours, the feel was all gone and the strings actually felt loose.

Wanted to try an arm friendly string that did not lose as much tension - and saw the great reviews for Velocity on this forum. Some of the reviews led me to believe that it was lower powered than it actually is (after all, it is a multi) and there were lots of comments about how arm friendly it was. So wanted to try it out.

I strongly recommend YPTP if you are ok with restringing frequently and if you have the budget for it - it's a phenomenal string.

That was on my list to try, but my poly days are officially over (again). You can check my thread on Isospeed baseline reel. One ball machine session with Baseline 1.30 @45 and my arm was sore again. Just as well, I have no interest in restringing that often. I have been getting 20-30 hours out of Velocity. If you aren't a string breaker, you might try gut/yptp. Spin probably close to fb yptp and yptp going dead might be masked behind the gut. I guess everyone needs a 20+ hour arm-friendly poly. Better yet ... nylon that matches it. Velocity proved to me they might get there.

esgee48 · Sep 25, 2017

Traffic said:
Woah, I just lost you there. you set reference tension down when going from 16 to 17? Or you experience 5# less DT when going from 16 to 17?

Yes, if the player wants the same feel. That feel would be DT, which is measured in kiloponds/cm. But, they will often complain about quick loss of tension/control, which is due to the strings stretching faster and permanently becuz there is less cross section. So the 2nd string job is often increased 7-10# in an attempt to increase string longevity. These same players do not like the tension and DT off the stringer, but the string will settle after one session. 5-7 sessions later, they start to complain again about loss of tension. I tell them to stay with 16 Ga because tension maintenance is NOT one of the attributes of thinner gauge strings. People don't seem to realize that strings and their tension are compromises. You can't have everything and people who undertake String Treks spend a long time on their journey.

ByeByePoly · Sep 25, 2017

Calling @georgiahank ...

Do you have much of break in period with your V16/V17?

FYI ... I got the Hank 54/52.

georgiahank · Sep 25, 2017

Nope. Pretty much plays the same for me all the way through. Strings start moving more around 6 hours but otherwise pretty consistent.

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ByeByePoly · Sep 25, 2017

georgiahank said:
Nope. Pretty much plays the same for me all the way through. Strings start moving more around 6 hours but otherwise pretty consistent.

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Good to hear. That means 17g Velocity must hold tension like the 16 like @Traffic said.

@esgee48 ... do you string Velocity? Maybe Velocity 17g isn't typical on the bigger tension loss.

Dartagnan64 · Sep 27, 2017

Ok 15 hours in on a FB Velocity 17 at 55lbs. I think now its starting to lose a little consistency. More string movement happening and its at times requiring me to straighten strings. If I was obsessive about strings or going into a tournament, I'd be swapping it out. But being the cheap SOB I am, I'm going to keep playing longer with it. Doesn't look close to breaking and it's not notching up.

esgee48 · Sep 28, 2017

So, what are the tensions you think you have in the frame now? @ByeByePoly ? @Dartagnan64 ?
Frugal!!! Never Cheap!

ByeByePoly · Sep 28, 2017

esgee48 said:
So, what are the tensions you think you have in the frame now? @ByeByePoly ? @Dartagnan64 ?
Frugal!!! Never Cheap!

Are you asking me to walk to other room and RT my Velocity?

ByeByePoly · Sep 28, 2017

esgee48 said:
So, what are the tensions you think you have in the frame now? @ByeByePoly ? @Dartagnan64 ?
Frugal!!! Never Cheap!

My previous post is my best input for you for 16g V tension loss. Looks like 10% DT loss in 30 hours on first set. On 2nd, looks like 15%.

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/head-velocity.586942/page-11#post-11341267

Only have the one ball machine session on the V 16 @54/V 17 @52.

fwiw:

53.2 right off stringer
49.4 1 hour ball machine (morning of stringing)
48.7 overnight
47.9 sat another 2 days

Dartagnan64 · Sep 28, 2017

esgee48 said:
So, what are the tensions you think you have in the frame now? @ByeByePoly ? @Dartagnan64 ?
Frugal!!! Never Cheap!

Sorry don't have the app to measure. Again I'm a cheap SOB/frugal and go based on feel.

ByeByePoly · Sep 28, 2017

Dartagnan64 said:
Sorry don't have the app to measure. Again I'm a cheap SOB/frugal and go based on feel.

The app is cheap ... and cheap entertainment. I don't trust the actual measurement that much, but it seems to me more than likely the measure of tension loss is accurate. That's all I am interested in anyway. Also ... I don't need RT to tell me Velocity plays pretty much the same until it breaks for me. I remember years ago when I played with Sensation loving it for first couple of weeks, and then a definite change (deader). They could have changed/improved it by now. I never feel that way with Velocity ... maybe because it doesn't have an "initial lively" period. But also ... it never feels dead to me, even past 20 hours. Part of it might be the fact I rotate the racquet (which edge up) around 10-15 hours depending on notching. My wear pattern is center to top edge. I get less notching in the center because of tight middle 8 strings... and more on the hits closer to the edge/tip. I get a little "new string fresh feel" on rotation.

My guess is I would usually break Velocity 16g at 15-20 hours if I didn't rotate. This little strange quirk gives me an additional 10-15 hours. Sure ... I could spin my racquet and look cool

... but I have some of that cheap SOB in me to. Actually ... mainly I don't want to drive to the stringer ... make that lazy cheap SOB.

It does occur to me if I was a racquet spinner ... and the top edge alternated close to 50% … I would get close to same hours. But then ... no mid-life fresh string moment.

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